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    I moved to Linux entirely because of how shit Windows is, but I do not, in general, get higher fps. It’s very case-by-case, but in general, my performance seems to be ever so slightly worse.

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      In a well-optimized case, Linux will consume fewer resources and is more effective at task prioritization, so it will be better. If Windows outperforms Linux, it is due to the game optimizing around Windows. Granted, across the entire suite of games, the two tend to cancel each other out rather equally.

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      I experience no worse fps than I would on windows. I have star citizen running better on linux then I did on the same windows machine. To each their own I guess.

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      It tends to be AMD GPUs that have the greatest differences in favour of Linux (except for ray tracing but that is improving in recent driver releases).

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        I think Intel too - in other words, the Nvidia Linux driver sucks as we’ve always known. And as long as they refuse to either put effort into it or let the community see and fix their code it’s unlikely to change

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      Yeah. Generally Indie games run better while AAA do not.

      Then again there is the whole overhead with wine and game companies benchmark windows exclusively while optimizing currently.

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        WINE has very little overhead because WINE Is Not and Emulator. It’s just a translation layer. The performance difference in games will typically come from it being faster if run with Vulkan or not.

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      Hot and miss for sure. I have had games run better than on windows, and also worse. But there are too many other pros to running Linux to make me happy I’m not running windows.

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      In my experience, windows made gaming almost impossible. Stuttering and crashes and sometimes even ARTIFACTS were a constant. But Linux just works OOTB

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      Gaming in particular seems to be the same, with few games having noticeable differences either way.

      Productivity wise, it’s night and day. On Linux I can run simulations while doing other stuff, on windows I had to have a freshly rebooted session with nothing else opened and leave it alone for hours to, maybe, run without crashing.

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      Do you have a Nvidia GPU btw?

      Linux has two major offerings for display servers: X11 and Wayland.

      X11 is old asf and uses TCP/IP to send your data from the GPU/CPU to the monitor.

      Wayland doesn’t do this I don’t think… But I believe it’s been known to have issues with Nvidia graphics cards.

      Hope Wayland development picks up because last time I checked it still has a lot of bugs that X11 just doesn’t.

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      Most things seem to run fine for me on linux, but sadly Elden Ring runs a good 10 fps slower than it ran on windows for me.

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    Title implies a big move, pretty far from the steady growth their sources say and that they explain throughout the article. But I guess a more honest title like “Linux among gamers sees new record after continuous steady growth” isn’t as click-worthy.

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    Why the hell is Gates on that image?? The guy stepped down as a CEO 26 years ago, and left the board of directors six years ago.

    The enshittification is all Nadela’s baby.

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      You somehow made me aware Gates had to use either an UNIX derivative (iPhone) or a Linux derivative (Android) daily.

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        I’d assume that for the majority of his career he was using something like Series 20 OS (Nokia’s proprietary OS) or the BlackBerry OS (before it was rewritten to be based on UNIX-like QNX).

        But since then, yeah. There are literally no other options since MS killed Windows Mobile with prejudice.

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    I saw in a recent Youtube video that between web services and AI, Windows licencing is only about 10% of Microslop’s business.

    IDK if that number is true, but it sure would explain how much they’ve put into user experience. Does anyone use Windows because they like it?

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      I saw in a recent Youtube video that between web services and AI, Windows licencing is only about 10% of Microslop’s business.

      That’s correct. Here’s some data on Microsoft’s revenue:

      40%     Server Products and Cloud Services
      22%     Office Products and Cloud Services
      10%     Windows
       9%     Gaming
       7%     LinkedIn
       5%     Search and News Advertising
      

      IDK if that number is true, but it sure would explain how much they’ve put into user experience.

      It does but it’s really short-sighted from MS’s part. Sure, Windows might be only 10% of its business, but the other 90% heavily rely on it. Or rather on Windows being a monopoly on desktop OSes; without that people Windows servers, Office and MS “cloud services” (basically: we shit on your computer so much you need to use ours) wouldn’t see the light of the day.

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        Also: even if they are not directly connected, the fact that one monopoly crumbles might result in the next one falling apart too. Someone who successfully got out of Windows might try to ditch their MS365 subscription too.

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          I don’t think companies are going to ditch their MS365 subscriptions. That would mean getting rid of Outlook and Teams, and that ain’t happening anytime soon.

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            I don’t think companies are going to ditch their MS365 subscriptions. That would mean getting rid of Outlook and Teams, and that ain’t happening anytime soon.

            Can someone more technical than me tell me why Outlook is so awesome for work? I use Outlook 365 for work, and the search function is ass. G-suite worked better on the front end, so I’m wondering about the back end.

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              It’s just a recognizable brand, and it’s often bundled with the other things businesses are already buying in the Office suite. (think: Teams, Word/PowerPoint/Excel/etc)

              The interesting bit is that these businesses are almost always using their custom domain for emails… which means if they wanted to switch from Outlook to another provider, and they linked their domain to that new provider, there is then zero switching cost outside the time to sign everyone up for accounts on the new provider and transfer old emails over, since all the emails directed at their domain would just go to the new provider.

              Emails also come in standardized formats that can be downloaded and transferred to a new provider, too.

              I genuinely have faith that businesses will begin switching away as the cost becomes harder and harder to justify.

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                there is then zero switching cost outside

                Tell me again how you’ve never supported an email service migration. I’m delighted that you haven’t, but it’s obvious.

                Also, I love when people pull a “draw the rest of the owl” with tech they’ve never been up in the guts of.

                Emails also come in standardized formats that can be downloaded and transferred to a new provider, too.

                Oh, you sweet sweet thing. I remember when I believed that technical specs were reliable and things were interoperable because documentation said they were.

                I can still see their tears.


                Maybe it truly is that easy with other providers to switch from one to another, but Outlook, and especially the Exchange backend underneath (both the effectively discontinued self-hosted server version and the Azure-managed Exchange Online) are a special kind of jank.

                There isn’t a special layer or kind of hell for whoever designed it. There isn’t even a specific hell in and of itself.

                Whatever exists after death for the designers of Outlook and Exchange is something so much worse than hell that it’s categorically different from anything able to be conceptualized by humans. We don’t have words to even begin to describe the gulf between comprehendable human thought and what awaits for them.

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            In the hypothetical situation Windows desktop monopoly is over, there’ll be at least some internal pressure to do so. Cost of switch (in money = work hours) might be a pain, but if they believe they’ll profit more by using some competitor that is not Windows exclusive, they’ll eventually do it.

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            There are a lot of companies that have migrated to Google and only kept a few Office licenses for cases that MSWord is imperative in order to do properly their job (eg. exchange documents with third parties that only accept docx and the compatibility with GDocs is not perfect).

            It depends on the cost and other factors used to sweeten the deal.

            And w.r.t. Teams, I never had a good experience with it (regarding virtual meetings), meanwhile I never had an issue with Google Meet.

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          I had to dig through their annual report to find it:

          Server products and cloud services revenue growth

          Revenue from Server products and cloud services, including Azure and other cloud services; SQL Server, Windows Server, Visual Studio, System Center, and related Client Access Licenses (“CALs”); and Nuance and GitHub

          So it includes Windows Server, but it’s way more than just that.

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        Azure has support for Linux servers. They’ve even made an effort to port Dotnet to Linux. A majority of their cloud infrastructure is Linux it seems.

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        XP was alright, but I’m mostly just nostalgic for the aesthetic of 95/98/2000

        Vista was the reason I switched to Linux

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          The worse part of vista wasn’t even that it looked awful or ran awful. Personal perfence not with standing.

          It was just 3 years too early and hardware fucking sucked. Drivers went standardized and everything was too weak.

          Going back to vista years after the fact show it was actually really solid.

          Probably the last time Microsoft was ever ahead of the curve in terms of design. Vista then 7 were great design wise, then it was only down hill since.

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            Hardware was definitely the issue. What got me to first install Linux was my wireless card just randomly stopped working. People were recommending that I do a full reinstall of Vista to get internet working again. I installed Ubuntu instead and never looked back.

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            Changing the graphics driver model at the same time as making the desktop graphically demanding was probably a bad idea

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      I wouldn’t be surprised. Desktop revenue has been a pretty small slice for their revenue long before AI was a thing. Their main drivers were server products and O365, and now AI and Azure are also pushing a lot of revenue.

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        Direct revenue through Windows sales might be low, but I suspect Windows is still important to drive people to buy One Cloud, office 365 etc subscriptions. So when people move away to Linux, the other services should become less profitable with some time delay

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      I don’t think the number is indicative of quality. The office suite is their bread and butter (alongside Azure) and Teams is a steaming pile of shit.

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      none of the other popular desktop operating systems cost money at all. I don’t know why Microsoft is doing half of the things that it does

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    i switched over to Bazzite about a week ago, and it has been super frustrating. though it’s not in where you think. the game my group is playing (Arc Raiders) worked without a hitch.

    • but my speaker system, and microphone forced me to learn a whole lot about USB hand shakes,
    • ghost usb profiles,
    • usb cable choice,
    • what a flatpac is and why people hate it,
    • nano eccentricities (including how to save and quit, just labeling ctrl-o as save and not overwrite would stop so much bs),
    • sink states,
    • device name resolution,
    • pipewire,
    • pipe plumber,
    • pipe wire holding devices hostage,
    • usb power flapping because i plugged my speakers and my mic to close to each other causing the os to just give up on the both of them.
    • the timing of when the os asks for usb identifiers, verses when the usb devices are given power
    • out dated guides relying on depreciated methods and acceptable code used in modifiers to os procedure.

    my experience and days of trouble shooting the “easy” replacement os for gaming has frightened my friend group far away from linux.

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      what a flatpac is and why people hate it,

      Huh, most people actually like Flatpak, and for good reasons too.

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          I am super thankful for flatpaks. I do wish I understood things a little better in flat seal though. can do some basics but I don’t know or understand what 95% of the flat seal options are for a given piece of software or why some of the fixes I’ve put in from when I’m googling a problem actually work.

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          Flatseal, flat sweep, and warehouse will manage all your flatpaks as you see fit. And Gear Lever for managing all your appImages.

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          Or KDE’s built-in Flatpak permissions settings. But yeah I guess, it’s mostly needed for applications that haven’t adopted to the new Portal API’s yet which is the better solution, but this works for now until applications have updated.

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        i could not get them to play nice with the hardware, pipewire, or each other. and they don’t like being messed with

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        Most people do like flatpaks, I use them because I use Kinonite and Atomic Budgie, but there are those people that don’t like them or any other 3rd party universal packaging format. it’s kind of a Luddite attitude if you ask me.

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      Exact opposite experience here, coming from using Linux as toy desktops for the past few years. My main PC is EndeavourOS, and my gaming laptop is Bazzite. Bazzite has been a really good hands off “just works” distro that I don’t have to think about.

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        i think the real issue is my computer has been silently suffering for all these years as windows just didn’t tell me my hardware is borked and old. and just has a shot gun full of code that fixes whatever it can stick to. and Bazzite either does not have that, or i fell into an exception in use due to hatred and old hardware.

        but getting into the weeds was very difficult, and my desk is not as flat as it once was

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      I just installed cachyos after using mint for a year. Overall, was smooth until i tried to use VLC. Video played fine, but an hour of settings later and i could finally hear the movie. I was an inch from saying fuck it and going back to mint. I debug software for a living, last thing i want to deal with is debugging my personal computer when I just want to watch a movie.

      May go back at some point, mint really is so easy and just worked, but the performance and aur are pretty great.

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      Another data point to add. I’ve started using Bazzite and introduced it to my brother. The only hitch I’ve noticed is not being able to play stuff like the new Battlefield.

      It is by far the easiest operating system to install, keep updated, and run basic apps and play games on. Flatpaks are great. Brew is good for CLI tools. AppImages are another alternative to Flatpaks that work well. Steam comes pre-installed, and most games run well.

      There are no ads, no AI, no dark patterns. It’s just a simple operating system that keeps itself updated.

      Where it starts to get complicated is if you want to do anything off the beaten path. In fact, Bazzite is much more complicated than something like Fedora or Debian if you need to do anything like this. Because you need to worry about either layering with rpm-ostree, or creating your own base image with a Containerfile (FROM bazzite). But my examples of these are installing GhosTTY (non AppImage), Paretto Security, and 1Password SSH Daemon/op. Most people will never need to do these.

      I’m a software engineer, and I’ve found that for the most part, Bazzite is good enough to run on my gaming pc and work pcs.

      I’m sorry you had such a bad first experience with it.

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        i think i learned that there was a lot wrong with my set up that windows just shoved under the rug. and maybe windows is right to do so, figuring i was willing to dig in deep this time, but my friends… not so much, and i don’t think i have the capability to help them if they run into issues like i did.

        the reason ‘I’ learned to dislike flat packs is that it puts the software in its own little isolation bubble from what i understand. and i get where people are coming from. but they REALLY don’t like connecting to hardware, or sharing nice with other apps.

        keep in mind i am a fairly adroit user of windows, diving in head first, so a lot of this is learning the hard way (nano anyone?) and i learned a lot. but yea bumpy.

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          i think i learned that there was a lot wrong with my set up that windows just shoved under the rug. and maybe windows is right to do so, figuring i was willing to dig in deep this time, but my friends… not so much, and i don’t think i have the capability to help them if they run into issues like i did.

          When I was trying to use discord, my friends were confused why I was having issues getting my mic to work and were sorta teasing me for using linux. When they found out what I was trying to do (something I couldn’t figure out how to do in Windows despite looking into it multiple times over the last decade or so), they were more just confused why I’d even be doing what I was and they would have never even considered trying to do that. But I finally have my audio pathing set up the way I’ve always wanted to and I love qpwgraph.

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            very same with me, yea. though i was having so many problems with easyeffects i was gun shy using another program to manage the speakers when i just wanted the one change. so i baked in a rule for that named speaker only into the os

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              Sometimes, I just want to be able to easy switch some things to one playing from one speaker or another. Being able to do left/right separately is wonderful. Or use a virtual mic and feed a soundboard into it along with my actual mic. And easily being able to do monitoring each of the individual parts is wonderful. _

              Agreed with having issues with EasyEffects in my limited experimenting with it. Was hoping it would be more intuitive to be to be able to add into my workflow to modify specific sounds (ie: modify my actual mic before it feeds into the virtual mic and leave the soundboard uneffected).

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        “Where it starts to get complicated is if you want to do anything off the beaten path. In fact, Bazzite is much more complicated than something like Fedora or Debian if you need to do anything like this. Because you need to worry about either layering with rpm-ostree, or creating your own base image with a Containerfile (FROM bazzite).”

        I’ve had a similar complaint about bazzite. Some obscure things are just harder to install because of it being immutable. But I also haven’t managed to accidentally break it, like I have with other OS’s. Also, sometimes my problem has simply been looking up instructions for fedora and assuming they’d apply to bazzite instead of just looking up the bazzite instructions (which actually existed and were fairly distinct and didn’t involve rpm-ostree stuff).

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          Yep. I’m lucky i know Docker and Bash. I was able to make my own container FROM Bazzite. But good luck to you, if you don’t know that.

          I mean, you can always layer (rpm-ostree). Honestly Bazzite is a WIP.

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      Interesting. I’ve been using Linux for nearly 6 years now, and I can definitely relate to pipewire and audio related issues (I’m a musician so I’ve suffered much in that area), but I can’t say I’ve struggled so much with devices. I wonder if those are Bazzite specific issues or if our setups are just different.

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        i’m my case i am using apparently old hardware, i ran into the following issues with my set up:

        • my usb cable for the mic was crap. and because the signal was flaky, Bazzite put the port on low priority mode where it only checks in when asked
        • the usb cable was insufficient to push the data, i swear it came with the mic. still thing this was a dubious conclusion, but a new cable was 5$
        • Bazzite would ask my USB speaker and mic within milliseconds of receiving power what their designation was, and the controllers in the devices responded so slowly that Bazzite gave them new names and put them in passive mode. i had to bake in the command to treat that like legacy equipment (ouch) to sit and listen for a reply however long it takes.
        • the speakers are flipped in meat space, due to outlets and the length of available cable, i can not change this, so i had to flip it in software, i was recommended easyeffects, but pipewire hated its guts, and i was better off learning to bake it in via the terminal after i was able to find the devices actual name once i got them out of passive jail above.
        • i had to bin the flat pack versions of discord and my web browser Vivaldi. don’t want to get into a browser war i have had enough trying to siphon through redacted reddit posts about that

        won’t lie i had to use AI to RTFM though chat GPT bricked my stuff more then i should have let it. gemini was better at this

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          You say older hardware so just curious if you happen to have an Asus mobo? If we are talking AM4 era, heads up that Asus mobos saw a lot of firmware revisions in 2025 including patches for usb-related issues. I have a b550 board that has been troublesome but seems a bit more stable with the latest firmware.

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            i have a TUFF gaming motherboard. so yes i do have an asus motherboard. i may have to flash the bios, but that’s a bit of a yikes. i may want to replace my battery back up first

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      Literally every time im gonna go play a game with friends my computer decides to bw stupid, and it puts them all off linux even more lol.

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        If you have set your mind to Manjaro I don’t want to dissuade you, but if you are not yet strongly convinced of the distro I always like to point out that there were some issues with the distribution in the past (someone collected them here).

        If you’re just after an Arch-like distribution I think EndeavourOS is a very friendly distro without adding their own repositories on top of Arch. But again - if you’re happy with Manjaro by all means also stay with it.

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          I have been over 1 year in EndeavourOS and I can’t complain, no issues at all except when I screw up.

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            I’ve only been using it for a few weeks now, but I’m having a great time with EndeavourOS. I’ve tried Linux every now and then for over 20 years now, but always bounced off for one reason or another. This time, I’ve never felt any desire to go back.

            For me, my use case, and my hardware, EOS has been significantly less of a headache than Windows 11 was.

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              I am a Debian user, most of my homelab is on Debian but my desktop is on EndeavourOs, neither has any bullshit.

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      Which distro did you end up going with? Wanted to change my tower over from Windows. Guessing bazzite is appropriate?

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        I’d suggest trying a couple through live ISOs to see what works best out of the box with your hardware. I settled on CachyOS and definitely recommend it. Bazzite is ok, very stable, but keep in mind it is immutable which may hamper its abilities as a full desktop.

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          Oh it’s immutable? Damn.

          That explains some shit.

          How do I go about switching to CachyOS? Just wipe the NVME and run an installer?

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            Yeah I’d wipe it if you’re going to switch, always less headaches that way. CachyOS has a lot of options so I’ll throw my 2 cents out there, I set it up with btrfs file system and the limine bootloader because it automatically sets up snapshots so you can roll back if something gets borked. It’s also easier to get secure boot working with limine if you’re trying to dual boot.

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        Arch was described as hard mode but I installed EndeavourOS with KDE Plasma about a month and a half ago and it’s been smooth sailing. Given all the programs I use have native linux clients and I don’t play kernel level anti-cheat games at all.

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          The ArchWiki is the best hand-holding that you’re going to get on Linux, it’s the finest system administration documentation that the OS has available. But Arch doesn’t “do things for you automatically”, that’s not their ethos. So it’s hard mode until you’ve developed enough sysadmin skills to understand what the docs are telling you, and then it’s easy mode because it all works great together and you’ve a phenomenal reference source.

          We run SUSE at work; and when SUSE is working, it’s a damn fine Linux - secure by default, up-to-date, efficient. But if it stops working, man alive, I wish we were using Arch instead. (Admittedly, we just redeploy anything on SUSE that stops working, which takes moments, whereas fixing Arch takes a while but at least you can fix it.)

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        Not OP. Around same timeline. Went with bazzite for gaming. Have been using bazzite daily since. Stuff just works super easy to install. Also tried and have mint still installed on another partition but haven’t used it much besides the initial installation. And installed dual boot bazzite and mint on my old gaming laptop. Use mint on there daily for internet browsing and such, no gaming. But I’m certain it would work just fine as it’s all pretty much the same besides Debian (mint) Vs Fedora (bazzite).

        I don’t play AAA slop either, and a few older easy anti cheat games don’t work. Such as Fawkes revival of Defiance.

        Everything else works pre installed with Steam+ proton, Or Ludis + wine, Or the Heroic launcher for GoG, Amazon and EGS.

        I do get higher FPS and better temps and less hardware usage than I ever did on Win11 for the same exact games.

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    Switched when the OG Steam Machines came out. It wasn’t great then. It wasn’t really good until Proton Steam integration. Became great after the fast iteration with the Steam Deck

    I know the hot thing is Bazzite but if you want to use it as a desktop as well, please at least use Fedora Kinoite or Silverblue. Personally I use the latest Kubuntu release so now I’m on Kubuntu 25.10, will upgrade to 26.04 when prompted, do the same with 26.10. Update cycle not so different than the larger windows updates each year. Just that every now and then a new Windows software ports to Linux, it’ll almost always be a deb installer is reason enough to me to prefer Debian based distributions than Fedora or Arch especially for new users. Don’t need to get people to install distrobox and boxbuddy. Kubuntu should just be enabling flatpaks and flathub by default rather than it being a option in the software center settings

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      I know the hot thing is Bazzite but if you want to use it as a desktop as well, please at least use Fedora Kinoite or Silverblue.

      why? other than not being a “main branch” os I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, it seems quite white glove.

      It’s atomic and fedora, which are also the same issues with silverblue and kinoite.

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        Linux was at that point two decades ago. The dogmatic infighting between Linux developers users is ultimately what prevents Linux from being actually useful as a desktop OS.

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          I think they were getting at Flatpaks, Snaps or AppImages (my personal favourite)

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            Why do you prefer them to flatpaks? Genuinely curious. I’ve only used appimages once or twice.

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              They’re portable and don’t require that I install anything. If I’m looking for an odd tool, it’s usually the easiest way to download and test something out. It’s just nice to have a standalone executable.

              Flatpaks are fine, I really have no problem with them in theory but I spend twice as long configuring them as I do with a native program, and I have to trust that the maintainer is affiliated with the project, which isn’t always the case.

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          [Insert XKCD about adding a standard that will replace all the other standards]

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            I liked it back in the day, but I don’t mess with that stuff no more. That’s how you get another GlaDOS.

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        shouldn’t be using distro specific installers.

        We have Flatpak and AppImage, and space isn’t as expensive as it once was. The problem I have is the sandboxing and isolation can make plugins problematic.

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          I mean, obviously I’m not advocating that you install pipewire or pipewire plugins as appimages.

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            My last flatpack fight was with OBS. It refused to load external plugins, and also made v4l unsolvable at the time.

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        That is what freedom is about. Anyone can choose to walk their own path to hell as they see fit. Otherwise you just end up with Windows all over again.

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          That isn’t going to help the average user though. They need hand holding.

          Unless you don’t want mass adoption of Linux.

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    I honestly hated W11 so much that I jumped onto Linux whether I’d be gaming on it or not.

    It runs great, but even if it didn’t I wouldn’t go back.

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    Tossed SteamOS onto my Legion Go last week, and the performance is sooooo much better. I was beginning to wonder why they used such a sharp resolution screen on it because Windows wouldn’t run games very well at the max resolution.

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    So “the year of the Linux desktop” is just around the corner? Again?

    … and all it took was to wait for windows to become unbearably shitty?

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      It was always going to. People are fundamentally lazy. Until something becomes a need, far too many are going to sit around and whine instead.

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          I’m not shitting on “people moving to linux”. I’m shitting on people in general, and you know I’m right, so get out of here with this accusatory misreading trash.

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              lol genuinely that’s what 80% of the disagreement replies are like on here/reddit. Obstinate children and trolls everywhere.

              Literally just had a conversation even worse than this about the meaning of ‘sect’. They thought it could only mean religous sects. As if people don’t usually say, “religous sect” to specify which type.

              Then they proceeded to pretend like I was still in the wrong when it was their lack of understanding of a basic word that made them think I said something I didn’t.

              Sadly, I’m starting to believe in that average reading level being so low…

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          The primary reason I do not want to move to Linux is because I do not want my home PC to contain homework problems for basic usage. People can say it’s gotten better all they want but not by enough. I have to google constant shit to figure out the basics. But the secondary reason is that Linux fanboys are typically unbearable. It’s just hatred and bickering. Either they’re bitching at Windows or they’re bitching about another Distro or bitching about something else. I don’t want to deal with this shit everytime something goes wrong in Linux and I have to go figuring out what happened. If I use Windows the only shit I’ll get are from Linux bros whining. Anyone else using Windows will just shrug. Linux bros feel way too culty for me to ever engage in the operating system.

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      Linux will never become popular till it’s as easy to use as something like VLC. Download, install, and it runs everything. Until this happens, Linux will never take over no matter how unbearably shitty Windows becomes.

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      Even if Windows became so shitty, people would rather move to MacOS than they would to Linux.

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    I made the move to Linux about a month ago, and it’s been super smooth (and yes I have an NVIDIA 3080). I went with CachyOS though. The ONLY thing keeping me dual-booting windows though is Cubase (DAW), which is unfortunate but whatever. I don’t really play any games that use EAC / kernel-level anti-cheat so it doesn’t affect me, but is a bummer.

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      Have you looked into using Wine or Proton to install Cubase on CachyOS? I see the wine page for it has a few garbage rating for the app, but I imagine that some of the work being done to get the steam games working might carry over to other desktop apps that didn’t work well on Wine in the past.

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      I feel like if you made a Venn diagram between Lemmy users and Linux users, it would just be a circle. I say this as also a Linux enjoyer.

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        I don’t see what relevance that comment has to mine. Why did you write this?

        I’m a lemmy user, I don’t currently use linux. So your point is not correct.

        More importantly, I wasn’t saying anything about linux users, I’m pointing out the the source that was posted is a blogspam non-reputable source.

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    I installed Bazzite on my gaming pc this weekend. It runs Cyberpunk 2077 just fine.

    This immutable Fedora + Gnome 49 is a bit weird coming from Xubuntu; seems to work though.

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    I switched to Linux full time almost two years ago when Win 10 started saying my CPU wasn’t supported. My CPU is in the i7 family and I think they all got that treatment. Since then I’ve had no major issues with Linux Mint. As for gaming, I do get some frame drops with my Nvidia 3060, but I was getting the same on Windows.

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      For what it’s worth, the “i7” branding isn’t a family, but a tier representation.

      So basically it goes like:

      i3 = basic

      i5 = midrange

      i7 = high end

      i9 = top end

      The first i7s released way back in 2010, so some older i7 chips are not supported by Windows 11 while newer ones (2018 and onwards) are.

      But yeah, use Linux :)