Star Trek: Discovery S3E12 “There Is A Tide…”
I haven’t actually watched the new show or anything (no untagged spoilers in this thread, please), but this is the general vibe that I get from reading comments from people who have.
I think people who like Disco will like Starfleet Academy.
The premier had some neat parts, but I think the structure, pacing and writing of the show have moved away from something I easily recognize as Star Trek and at the end, I was left more confused than interested in more.
I hated disco, academy is surprisingly ok so far.
Thx for sharing, I was considering never watching because I can barely watch discovery, and right now I am not subscribed to Paramount.
I guess I’ll try a trailer or something torrented.
It took me far longer than I want to admit to understand you meant Discovery, and weren’t making a snarky comparison between those that like this show and those that enjoy Disco music.
I liked disco for the most part but so far the only parts of Academy I liked were Giamatti’s villan and the return of the Doctor.
The rest was just sort of a resounding ‘meh’; the plot didn’t hold me, the space-high-school melodrama between the cadets was boring and at times cringeworthy, and the big action sequence left me with more questions than answers.
I kind of disliked Giamatti’s character, honestly; just a bargain bin Harry Mudd.
Otherwised enjoyed it.
Paul Giamatti seemed to be in a different show than the rest of the cast. It was like Giamatti was playing a cartoon Joker. It really clanged with me, his jokes and humor didn’t work at all and I hope we don’t see him again.
I think part of it too is 32nd century Trek has already done a lot of sociopathic, who’s-gonna-stop-me, “because I’m evil”-type villains, and we need someone a little more gray, or at least psychologically compelling; as seen with Gul Dukat and Kai Winn, you can still pull off interesting but pure evil characters.
How big of a truck of money did they back up to his door for this?
Yeah, I think I’ll skip it tbh. Discovery was a chore to watch.
I’m very happy with Academy so far, but I’m upvoting due the quality meme.
Same. I have no idea what people are complaining about, or even that they were complaining at all.
They just have to complain, even if they have nothing to complain about.
I watched the first episode (it’s on Youtube). After reading a the shit talked about it online already, I wasn’t sure what to expect. I honestly enjoyed it. It is not TNG/DS9/Voyager/etc, but it was well done. The actors, the characters, all have potential. It is no longer tethered to any other show/ship/character, so they have the freedom to do something new. I am encouraged.
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I just don’t trust the new owners of paramount.
I feel there was a targeted campaign against this show before it even came out. So many videos appearing in my algorithm saying how bad it was and how it’s doomed and how it’s failed etc.
I’ve already found it better than Discovery. And it’s not as bad as I was expecting. It’s still fast paced and wish it would slow down a little, and if the camera could stay still for more than 1 second that would be great.
But besides that, is decent.
There’s a targeted campaign against every new Trek series.
From the very beginning. People back in the day were complaining that not only was this Patrick Stewart some poncy theatre bloke instead of someone with real television experience, but he was bald, for goodness sakes.
Those videos really exploded in my feed about a week before it came out, and none of them has seen it yet. I don’t know if it’s coordinated or if it’s just the inevitable response of the algorithm rewarding topical hate mongering, but it’s a painfully obvious grift either way.
Yeah I went to watch one as its title and thumb seemed definitive like they had watched the previews or something. Started watching and it was clear they had not seen anything besides stills.
It’s fun and the chancellor is sweary Miss Frizzle with Elastigirl’s voice.
My biggest complaint is all of the stairs. Why are there so many stairs?
Does seem rather ableist.
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Uh…maybe it’s because tens of thousands of students have to move between classes?
I went to a uni that used to be a gd WWII munitions factory and there weren’t that many stairs
They also have elevators
And ubiquitous site to site transporting
But maybe they’re magic sci-fi stairs…
Like, not just an escalator, but a levitation ramp or some such? Could be fun.
It would use fields or something to do different things for different people; an escalator for some, a wheelchair life for others, normal stairs for those who choose, but for Miles O’Brien’s transporter clone stuck in the 32nd century, it sets the gravity to 10x and forces him to crawl with all his might to the stairs’ control panel. This happens once a week.
I’ve been holding out hope that during his tenure at the Academy (into the 25th century), that he’d made headmaster and get trapped/forced into a golum or photonic body. The suffering possibilities are endless.
His consciousness is uploaded after death into a torture simulation by a curious computer with emerging sentience for several hundred years a la I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream; when the computer finally learns its lesson and builds a new body for O’Brien’s backup consciousness, he just gets right back to work, centuries of technological progress be darned.
The series practically writes itself.
Why does a starship look like a casino in Reno?
Why does the Enterprise D bridge look like the interior of a 1990s car stretched out?
And being a former Vegas resident, DS9 accurately pictures being in one of the more run-down Vegas casinos.
Also, honestly, I think modern campus architecture has embraced this “casino look” you describe, weirdly enough.
It’s because how dare they risk that good boy to cordry rocks and the other dangers of space?
It’s been pretty enjoyable so far. Caleb, Jay-Den, Sam, and Genesis all have good chemistry as a main cast. Not every show needs to be TNG: Season 8. There’s some nits one could pick, but I’m looking forward to see where it goes once it’s out of character introduction and exposition mode.
My faves so far are the photonics (Sam and the Doctor) and Number One (half jem-hadar/half klingon). I don’t understand the hate. They even brought back the old Klingon design!
Star Trek needs some time off. I enjoyed these two episodes but after the Section 31 “movie”, and the quality of it all the past few years… It just needs to go away and find a new creative team.
Agreed. But it also has Holly Hunter as Barefoot Casual Spacemom.
So I’m probably going to watch it.
Yeah but so was VOY. It got there .
I like it 🤷.
The characters are pretty likeable. There is some intentional silliness, and I’m totally OK with that.
Needs more body positive female characters and badasses with a heart of gold.
They released the first episode on YouTube and no one watched it, the comment section is hilarious and spot on. Paramount but a red shirt on and killed Star Trek, it’s dead Jim.
Interesting. Could you expand on why you feel that body positivity, specifically female body positivity, is bad? I’d like to test a theory.
Yesterday I watched a few minutes of the first episode. I was very confused, I guess I missed a few shows.
Is this show centred around a single character again?
No, it seems like it will follow a gaggle of students, but the premier starts with setting up the dark backstory of one of them in an over the top way and it takes forever. Eventually they get to Starfleet Academy.
::: Spoilers for the first 15 minutes: I found the setup for this baffling. The 3 minute military tribunal that determined that Caleb Mir should be ripped away from his mother felt very unlike anything I’ve come to expect from the Federation. Then it’s tonal whiplash with the person who took a child away from their mother trying to play surrogate mom and get the kid to go to school? :::
No worries if you found it confusing. Every few seconds there’s a baffling decision displayed, so it kinda short circuits the brain and makes it hard to pay attention.
I agree with my sister that it should have been a flashback later in the season; they didn’t need to tell us so directly in the first episode.
Then again, DS9 did the intro text thing explaining Wolf 359, so…
When she was curled up in the captains chair lookin cozy af i knew it was gonna be a good time.
