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    He can’t buy his good squad matching long nazi coats?

    And on what authority does that diminutive asshole have to tell someone out of the road?

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          It really wasn’t. Heinlein did not write Starship Troopers as an aspirational piece of milscifi and, while he definitely had some questionable politics, my understanding is that he was effectively thinking aloud as he wrote the book.

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            It’s hard to tell where his beliefs end and pondering began honestly. I’ve read a few of his works and it is strongly bent toward the every man trope if I remember right. Of how an individual needs to be skilled in most areas, self actualizing, independent. Reads like a conservative libertarian view to me honestly. Add in Starship Troopers itself really plays that strong and talks about military might makes right, it’s hard not to see it as positive toward warfare.

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              I recently binged a lot of Heinlein, and it turned me off him a bit. The novel Friday seemed to be the tipping point.

              Very aggressive, self-assured attitude shone through.

              I also binged a shotlosd of PK Dick fiction, and mostly just got super sad again.

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              i mean when you read that heinlein time travel book where every character is the same person just at a different point in their personal timeline including the mother, the father, the son, the army dude… heinlein self sufficiency gets wweird

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            It is a bit complicated. RH would have been a ww2 vet and I am not sure i would say is pro nazi, but he is rather right leaning and glorifying of war in his ways (he did miss out on combat and it seems to be resentful in a way).

            The book is not satirical.

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              Heinlein was a Cold Warrior who hated commies. I think that is the most important lens you need to see his work through.

              He got injured before he saw combat and had a Long convalescent period, so there definitely is a bit of a chip on his shoulder with respect to honor cultures and willingness to fight.

              I think he was also gender queer in some deep way. You don’t accidentally write a novel about an older writer who, through an absurd sequence of events, gets his brain transplanted into the body of an extremely attractive younger woman. There is a lot of criticism about his recurrent “Heinlein heroine”, and I think she might actually be a self insert.

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                He got injured before he saw combat and had a Long convalescent period, so there definitely is a bit of a chip on his shoulder with respect to honor cultures and willingness to fight.

                my step grandfather was stationed in military intelligence rather than fighting on the front lines in the war. he felt like it separated him from the folk at the vfw and that self-imposed separation was the root of his ptsd. mom and dad had us read heinlein, i realized a lot later as a way to try to understand him and his brokenness.

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              My read from the books I’ve read, he’s a conservative libertarian, he didn’t seem to like organized religion but believe in religion and spirituality.

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                Have you read Stranger in a Strange Land? That reads like he’s a hippy, not a conservative.

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                  I have, though it leads me more toward thinking of him as libertarian more than conservative. As well his dislike of organized religion. Reading other books lends more toward the conservative side of things. His history in politics and movements as well lends more credence he is conservative. Now we’re talking more of neo-liberal than fascist.

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    Everyone saying they look like nazis, and sure they have the uniforms, but at least the nazis knew how to march, how to look organized. These guys walk like a gang, no training whatsoever, which matches their recruitment strategy.

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      The Nazi comparisons are starting to get annoying. We don’t need to look across the sea for a comparison, we have a comparison from home, slave catchers and slave patrols.

      Americans don’t want to think about their history though. This is racism coming back to bite us in the ass because we never actually dealt with the confederacy. You can’t have real reconstruction without reconciliation and restitution.

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        They do Nazi salutes and wave Nazi flags. The leaders aren’t even all American. They are from Africa and Canada and Australia ffs.

        Is almost like immigration is bad… when you let rich immigrants in.

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      Let’s be honest. Knowing American history this fits. Of course it’s just a group of thugs. That’s what America is. There’s no organization. It’s just hate.

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        What about Elon fucking musk is American?

        What about billionaires who can go anywhere and live anywhere makes you think they are of any country?

        These are the real globalists. Now you know why they made it into a bad word to mean jews… because God forbid anyone figure out globalist means Donald fucking Trump and the rest of the world leaders/billionaires.

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      The administration wishes that would happen. They couldn’t care if 10 of them died as it would kill all public support of any protestors and “legitimize” what they are doing and make it near impossible to publicly criticize ICE. Every news station would spend all their time talking about it.

      Shit, we may end up seeing a false flag attack or such just to cement sympathy’s and ensure public support.

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    Empowering these creatures was easily preventable, and the worst is yet to keep on coming, and coming, and coming… but you know how the average non-voting imbecile is.

    “I won’t vote because it feels like a duty, I want voting to be FUN! I want a kinglike charismatic figure with a magical political wand to INSPIRE every breathing moment my ignorant, medieval peasant, eNLigHtEnEd MiNd!”

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    This video will help the jury understand that they were proud of their crimes against humanity when they’re hanging around at the hauge

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    When the American regime shoots its protestors that’s boss. When Iran does it, it’s regime change time.

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      Honestly, I don’t think there needs to be a distinction made anymore. They’re nazis regardless, and shouldn’t be given the time of discussing much more than that.

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        Also, I think the distinction was made because neonazi was like a subculture, legitimacing their hate with music (and other arts, sports, etc. …spaces)

        But right now, they are in politics and positions of powers.

        Also, this is facism at its rawest. AFAIK Minneapolis has all ICE agents to control the population where the Republicans had the least support…

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          Their plans are very evident, they want voter rolls, if they can’t get those, they’ll just fuck with the people. If someone gets violent on our side and starts gunning them down, they’ll respond with martial law and crack downs. They think they’re being smart, they aren’t.