I modified a image I saw going around last year on Global Switch Day
https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/1ijmkc0/make_the_switch_away_from_meta/
Perhaps we could use it to make people aware of Reddit alternatives etc. If you can imporve upon the image please do so, and feel free to use it.
I just threw it together in KolourPaint in a few min.
80% the people on TT, YT and IG are there to follow content creators that are only on those platforms to make money.
Until creators can easily make money on Fediverse platforms, they’ll always play second fiddle to closed platforms that market and share profits, no matter how crappy the returns are.
Maybe it’s just me, but the influencer type content creators are part of what I’m fleeing from in the mainstream social media options. The internet is better without them. The gamification and monitization leads to enshittification. Reddit really started going to shit when the same people’s posts were always on the front page, and then you had the same people modding and gaming their communities to push it. I personally would hate if that happened to fediverse alternatives.
I don’t really care that much about influencers, the fake outrage and fake indignation. I want to watch people play games I can’t afford and don’t have time to dedicate to playing. And I don’t want to watch it live, I want to start it when I feel like it and stop it when I’m busy. I want some astrophysics news, some people cooking some shit. All those people are solely there because they can afford to stop their day jobs and make something interesting. I want to see some great scott and some tom scott.
The ideal is people doing it just because they can, but how many people have the financial means for that? I’d say another reason for Reddit going to shit is all the people wanting to express themselves somehow, but only having a little bit of time to type something out on their phones and not enough to put thought or research into what they are saying. Streamers, youtubers etc. put a lot of work and practice into making something someone might consider good, and a lot of that is only possible because they get paid and so don’t have to get another full time job that removes any time for creative pursuits.
This sounds like an excellent feature. Fuck people trying to make money I wanna post stupid memes.
fucking awesome for Lemmy, kinda bad for video that takes 40 hour workweeks to produce.
Then we can get new creators and a new kind of community.
Something different, can still grow and be beautiful.
checks the age of peertube and the almost complete lack of interesting content
is it gonna start soon? It’s almost a decade old and there’s nothing interesting at all outside of a couple Linux people.
https://video.echelon.pl/c/ua_war_videos/videos is good. And there’s interesting stuff about urban development.
This video, as others published by the same person, a is good: https://video.canadiancivil.com/videos/watch/30b3139b-070c-45f5-823e-dae3f82efdd4
There are more in my saved videos, but these seemed the best things to select out now.
I totally get your point. I want to like it too, but so far the only channels that I’ve found worth following are Veronica Explains and The Linux Experiment, and even then, Veronica doesn’t post very often. I was also following a comics channel but they faded away.
Recording, Editing and Posting video is exhausting. Assume that you get your donations in order from whatever service, you can then post it on yourube and get a extra pittance, or post it on peertube and get nothing, you’ll have to have some other reason to give up the pittance.
Hell, there’s more non-rightwing content on odysee than there is on peertube.
@rumba This is where we need to showcase things like Patreon and other ways of people making money from people who truly enjoy there work, pay people not corporations.
now go convince all those creators making a living that have both youtube and patreon money coming in to post on a free only alternative and just go to patreon income.
I know it’s not as simple as that, but creators are annoyed of these platforms, mirroring your content on the Fediverse is easy through PeerTube and having ‘uncensored’ or less restricted videos be uploaded onto PeerTube can help.
it’s super easy to get the content on to peer tube, just not financially sound.
Just saw a headline that says apple is gonna try to start taking a 30% cut on patreon payments…
wtf? you mean reddit -> lemmy right?
PieFed = Lemmy but better. (In my opinion)
They share the same content, but PieFed has more features and better UX.
I’m typing this from PieFed right now
PieFed is just a Lemmy instance, no?
Nope, it’s its own thing. It’s federated, so you can view piefed content on lemmy and vice versa, but it’s a separate platform built in a different language by someone else. I like it better mainly because the lemmy devs are transphobes who are fond of the idea of mass murdering their political opponents.
It’s a different software stack, both server and client. But it uses the same protocol as Lemmy for federation (same story with kbin/ mbin.) so all those talk to eachother.
Its a similar base but distinct in feature set and backend.
Piefed is a perfectly fine alternative to Reddit.
RIGHT?
It could also be lemmy/piefed since both are interoperable.
Piefed over Lemmy?
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In this case piefed and lemmy are basically compatible, so the communities can have a mix of the two. For example, the OP posted this with piefed, and you replied to it with presumably lemmy. So it may divide up developer effort a bit, but the community isn’t divided.
Well if that’s the case, then I’m fine with it being a thing. I thought they were a competing and thus incompatible platform.
Nope that’s the beauty of the Fediverse. I can reply to this from PieFed (as I’m doing now) and you can do from Lemmy.
Just learned about Piefed. Why does it exist when we already have Lemmy, which alone is already too small for niche communities to pop up as-is?
Because some people had ideological differences with some of the Lemmy Devs. So instead of using the software as it’s supposed to be used, and simply defederating from instances they didn’t like, they went and made their own software which effectively does the same thing as Lemmy.
I guess I don’t mind that there’s diversity in the Fediverse ecosystem, but at the same time, I feel like the people most adamant about pushing Piefed are doing so, because they want to be in an ideological echo chamber, as opposed to actually furthering the cause of federated social media, and open-source software.
Piefed does a lot of different things to Lemmy right now.
And that’s part of why I’m not necessarily opposed to the idea of more diversity in the Fediverse space.
But I do take umbridge with a lot of the “why you should switch to Piefed” rhetoric being based in bizarre “Tankie triad” conspiracism.
But I do take umbridge with a lot of the “why you should switch to Piefed” rhetoric being based in bizarre “Tankie triad” conspiracism.
“Stalin did nothing wrong and never killed millions!”
“If you get killed by a brutal commie regime, that automatically makes you a counter-revolutionary who deserved it”
From davel, an ML admin no less!
That’s open source for you. The biggest issue for things gaining traction is a million projects that all do the same thing “better”. Look at Linux, if people are curious about “switching to Linux” all it takes is one comment thread somewhere to confuse then enough to bail on the idea.
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Because the Lemmy devs support genocide, love Stalin, and are transphobic.
Can you expand on this for a newbie?
The two devs Nutomic and Deslanies are pro-Russia anti-Ukraine tankies.
One has a GitHub where he posts all his mind numbing theory and goes on about how the Uyghurs aren’t undergoing a genocide or Tiananmen Square never happened.
The other has been caught multiple times making transphobic comments and just generally not giving a shit if transgender people are victims.
Together with some other equally bad people they make up a trio of instances commonly referred to as the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) where they ban everyone who says critical things about Russia/China and generally push propaganda.
Thanks sock puppet account, very helpful
So stay away from the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net)
Gotcha
Oh. Oh no.
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It doesn’t fracture anything, it is basically a Fediverse reader/writer. It’s like opening a txt file in vim, emacs, or nano, they all read and write to that file type at the end of the day. Don’t forget, there’s also Kbin.
Literally moved yesterday from reddit when I got banned because I angrily pointed out some fascist was parroting Trump/Russian talking points. Apparently it’s harassment to tell someone their wrong on a public forum
Reddit has a pro-fascist problem. Calling them out will get you banned.
Pro fascist and heavily AI moderated now.
I made two jokes using Australian colloquialisms and the system banned me twice for “threatening violence”.
And you only get 200-300 characters to try and explain it.
Wtf.
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they use AI to moderate, so pretty much. and only an admin can unban someone, given how much appeals they get, they are unlikely to see 99% of appeals anyways.
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You know, when people say piefed is like reddit, I don’t know if they realize it’s exactly like reddit.
I don’t see how those things in total make it like Reddit. For one, Reddit is overrun by AI slop in many areas. Piefed actively tries to mitigate it.
Sure, but going down this list, most seems arbitrary and not based on data to mitigate slop bots.
Social credit scores are why I bailed on reddit. Not karma, but their “Contributor quality score” that demands people grind comments to keep the account alive.
Social credit scores are why I bailed on reddit. Not karma, but their “Contributor quality score” that demands people grind comments to keep the account alive.
I already addressed this regarding Piefed here.
Trolls/spammers etc are serious problems on sites like Lemmy and Piefed (and on Reddit). If you’re a new account and you’ve managed to get -100 reputation that quickly, it’s not a good sign. If and as the Fediverse grows, instance owners are going to need more observation tools to catch this type of stuff.
Whilst having +++ karma is obviously not worth note, a new account on -100 is.
You cannot cast a vote on PieFed if you’ve made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long
Okay. So? This is in part anti-spam measures. It’s very specific, but how many users do you imagine this applies to in practice?
When a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word “this”, the comment is dropped
Piefed.social only. Toggleable off.
Every user (remote or local) has an “attitude” which is calculated as follows: (upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your “attitude” is < 0.0 you can’t downvote. Again there is no mention of this anywhere but deep within his biased-code
Yes, this is to mitigate mass-downvoting. Why is this inherently a problem to you?
Every account has a Social Credit Score. If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your Social Credit Score is calculated as upvotes earned - downvotes earned aka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can’t create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low. Echo-chamber achieved!
Trolls/spammers etc are serious problems on sites like Lemmy and Piefed. If you’re a new account and you’ve managed to get -100 reputation that quickly, it’s not a good sign. If and as the Fediverse grows, instance owners are going to need more observation tools to catch this type of stuff.
If you use em dashes your account is flagged to the admin, more like 1984-fed
AI detection tools. But I’ve seen a lot of AI posters right now caught through this. use of the em-dash is very much a sign, unfortunately. It doesn’t ban them by the way. It just flags new accounts doing it to admins. So? Admins can turn this off.
if you try to comment a .gif … you fail because the code lord Rimu doesn’t like it
Can be turned off at the instance level.
Rimu has turned the block into an instance wide shadowban again without telling anyone
No. If every instance was Piefed, you simply wouldn’t be able to reply to anyone who has blocked you. “Reply” is essentially faded out. The difference is that Lemmy doesn’t implement the block function in the same way, so Piefed just throws out replies by blocked users to the person who has blocked them coming from Lemmy. That’s the mismatch at play here.
If you can somehow still reply via a Piefed instance, it is bugged and not working as intended.
He vindictively targeted a single user with code
This has been removed now, and it wasn’t “vindictive” in purpose at all.
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What code are you referring to here? I addressed a number of grievances. Bias to what? Dealing with AI? Not liking it when a user substitutes “th” with another letter, making it annoying to read?
Why would an update revert out a change that has already been removed at core?
Not liking it when a user substitutes “th” with another letter, making it annoying to read?
That reminds me… whatever happened to the guy here on lemmy that did that? Did he finally stop doing it? I can’t remember his username, but man it was annoying to read.
Sounds like hell for someone with problems to put thoughts in words and/or uncommon opinions. You either go blend with the mass or die.
Also, could I use my current lemmy account to upvote my each pie comment, to get better score in few minutes? Kinda fragile for cheats.
To be fair, people can already use alts to upvote on the fediverse right now. It’s just obvious when they do so because of public voting, so doing so normally gets an account banned.
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No, it doesn’t
All that is optional and can be turned off in Admin settings.
Not to mention you’re exaggerating a loot.
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Again… this is literally just piefed.social you are takling about here.
Rimu is very anti-4chan, sure.
So everyone is clear your an alt-account of someone from lemmygrad or Hexbear.
You only seem to be active every few months in very specific posts where your beloved instance pro-Russia propaganda mill is at threat or you can bad mouth people who you don’t agree with.
Every account has a Social Credit Score.
Keep in mind ostentatious posturing about alleged belief in free speech e.g. hyperbolic use of terms like “Social Credit Score” or repetition of common copytext/keywords “echo chamber” is not universally perceived as a good thing.
If you’ve ever lived in a country where people understand the value of free speech (without constant tedious self-aggrandization on this topic) this stuff comes off as childish.
When I say “understanding the value of free speech”, I mean the understanding that free speech includes the ability to choose your moderation policies depending on context.
He has hardcoded links to his ideology into the sidebar
Again, framing this issue as “promotion of ideology” is not going to fly.
Believe it or not, but having a sidebar with “Misinformation & disinformation” is not as big of a thing as you think it is. I would even argue that “COVID skeptics” wouldn’t give a shit about it because they actually understand the meaning of the term “promotion of ideology”.
You’re welcome to assume I am misinformed, I hate free speech or I am being malicious. Whatever works, I am just sharing a different perspective (from someone who lived in the US and does not find American-style freedom polemics to be in the least convincing).
Piefed? Wasn’t the replacement Lemmy?
There’s a few different options. There’s also Mbin and a couple others that I couldn’t name off the top of my head.
Yes, but if you try to recommend people to use Mbin you have to explain why they have to call shitposts in meme communities “articles” in “magazines”.
PieFed has more features and can do everything Lemmy can. There are many things you can do in Reddit but not on Lemmy, but most of those are possible on PieFed.
A user migrating to PieFed is more likely to stay than a user migrating to Lemmy, because they won’t have a feeling that there are familiar features lacking. You don’t have flairs, multireddits (a.k.a. feeds), polls, events, personal notes on users, or notifications on new posts/comments on Lemmy, but on PieFed you do.
These are like 2 sides of one coin. PieFed is basically a very good modification of Lemmy with its own advantages and problems.
My god, thank you for putting the names under the logos. I’ve seen too many people just put the logos without any text because it’s “clean”, but then the viewers have no idea what to search for lol
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Should’ve put Twitter under the X logo lol
Lots of people are upset with the censorship happening on TikTok and are uninstalling TikTok, this image might be useful to show to them.
I wish Peertube had more content, although I may just be actual garbage at finding it.
I recently contacted a content creator at youtue asking if they might also share their content on peertube as they have the rights to do so. Maybe this is a way of getting more content.
Since the videos are already made for yt it shouldn’t be a lot of more work to do for creators.
This is the issue with fediverse in general: lack of content. I’m sure people can figure out how to join … it’s not any more complicated than joining Bluesky, and that has exploded in growth. Why? Because everybody is on there.
it can be tough to find good stuff on there. I had a personal peertube instance that I had setup but I ended up shutting it down, i rarely used it and couldn’t find a lot of good stuff on there.
Take a look over at !peertube@lemmy.world It would be great if more people knew about it and posted/interacted.
Also https://piefed.social/f/fediversevideos or join (if you are piefed) here ~fediversevideos@piefed.social
Thank you!
No problem! Enjoy.
found this awesome peertuber, he is super cool: blinmaster@peertube.wtf (its my own channel and i found a place to plug it :3)
Piefed / Lemmy / Mbin
Agreed, but choice fatigue also needs to be considered. Pick your favorite and promote it to people.
Users are trapped by the network effect and a desire for ease of use over anything else.
The corporate alternatives will always be an easier sell.
Twitter > Bluesky
Instagram > Upscrolled
TikTok > RedNote
Reddit > no corporate alternative
YouTube > no corporate alternative
Discord > no corporate alternativeTo get the average user, you don’t just have to convince them to leave Twitter, you have to convince them to leave corporate social media and all of their friends that still use it.
You have to convince them to accept additional inconvenience and complexity (@usernames and @instancenames?) in exchange for no direct, tangible benefit. (We know it’s worth it, but the average user doesn’t know and doesn’t care.)
The people who could handle that are already here. Adoption going forward will be (at best) a slow trickle until we reach some level of critical mass.
Why people don't leave Reddit
Reddit has the advantage of years of community-built knowledge, and it’s a “one-stop shop”. Looking for the gaming community? Go to reddit, type in gaming, it’ll be in the top 3, if not the top 10.
Go to the threadiverse, and you have to run the gauntlet of servers (what’s an instance?), deferated instances (why can’t I see XYZ?), and 20 communities with similar names (which gaming community is the “real” one?). The switching cost is too high for most as long as Reddit still exists.
Why people don't leave Discord
Discord is easy to set up, and they’re digging their claws into game dev by making it easy to monetize communities (enshittification, here we come!).
RevoltStoat isn’t federated, so each server is segregated from the others. As they grow, users will centralize for the sake of convenience. My bet is they either sell out or remain a niche alternative.Element is (still) too complicated and unreliable. Audio sharing is inconsistent (no audio streaming on desktop screenshare, mics won’t work, etc). Video calls aren’t fully implemented.
Why people won't leave YouTube
No one can match YouTube’s sheer scale. They have billions of videos and billions of users. Their monetization system means that creators are incentivized to create quality content for the platform.
By contrast, PeerTube’s best content is often mirrors or backups of content from other platforms. PeerTube is a great backup, but without monetization to incentivize creators, it’s not a real alternative.
It’s a marathon not a sprint, hopefully we’ll slowly but surely chip away at it.
As your post highlights UX is everything, hopefully the Fediverse can get as good UX as the main platforms
I wish there were a better name that represents lemmy & piefed. I know “threadiverse” is probably the “correct” name but it’s a bit… shit.
It’s not the best, but I still haven’t seen anything better
I think both names, Lemmy and piefed, are easy to remember. They are no more goofy than any other name, past or present, on the internet.
People are fleeing to another close source centralized app that’s not federated. People will use anything but Fediverse. :(
Probably the clearest indicator that the lack of technological literacy in mass market society means that marketing budgets are incredibly effective, and most won’t question the incentives of the platform holder.
Well let’s add facebook & discord alts as well.
Revolt got at cease and desist for the name. They renamed it to Stoat.
It kind of looks like Stoat is just an Open Source Discord clone?
While the idea is great, it looks like all their servers are hosted by them (correct me if I’m wrong). Was really hoping for some kind of self hosted Discord where all the data is stored locally.I use Mumble currently, which is great for voice chat, but there are simply not enough features.Edit: Actually I found the github page and it seems like there is a way to deploy this locally. Disregard
Matrix & XMPP ?
oh
Matrix might be better…
What’s with Piefed? Isn’t it just another Lemmy instance?
PieFed is a different software. Lemmy is written in Rust and has a certain set of features.
PieFed is a newer project, written from scratch in Python, by completely different people. It includes Lemmy’s features and shows the same posts as Lemmy, but has additional features such as polls, events, feeds (which are the same thing as multireddits on Reddit), emoji reactions, flairs, notifications for new comments coming for some specific post or new posts coming in some specific community, messaging with Mastodon users, and some other stuff that fails to come to my mind right now :)
There are several PieFed instances: https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
I’m sometimes using Mbin, but everything that is good about it, is also good in PieFed. It’s been nice that Mbin has support for following Mastodon with the same account you use for following the Forumverse, but since some of Mastodon’s features are unsupported, I still find it more comfortable to just browse Mastodon separately. Quote posts are not shown properly, for example. Also, pictures in comments in Forumverse are shown as links.
I find Mbin much nicer than Lemmy, but PieFed even nicer. For now, at least. Nobody knows if Mbin suddenly invents some killer feature :)
can it have an old reddit skin like lemmy?
Yes, there is a compact mode in the user settings. It looks a lot like old.reddit. You can see it in action at http://retro.piefed.com/ but it can be used on any instance.
Different platform/software, same protocol (ActivityPub).
Question in the PeerTube, there’s like nothing there so why? Or are you saying we need to influx what’s on there and draw more people to it? Cuz the only way to do that is promise of monetization
