I modified a image I saw going around last year on Global Switch Day
https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/1ijmkc0/make_the_switch_away_from_meta/
Perhaps we could use it to make people aware of Reddit alternatives etc. If you can imporve upon the image please do so, and feel free to use it.
I just threw it together in KolourPaint in a few min.
Should be
TikTok -> Go outside and touch some grass.
80% the people on TT, YT and IG are there to follow content creators that are only on those platforms to make money.
Until creators can easily make money on Fediverse platforms, they’ll always play second fiddle to closed platforms that market and share profits, no matter how crappy the returns are.
Maybe it’s just me, but the influencer type content creators are part of what I’m fleeing from in the mainstream social media options. The internet is better without them. The gamification and monitization leads to enshittification. Reddit really started going to shit when the same people’s posts were always on the front page, and then you had the same people modding and gaming their communities to push it. I personally would hate if that happened to fediverse alternatives.
@rumba This is where we need to showcase things like Patreon and other ways of people making money from people who truly enjoy there work, pay people not corporations.
now go convince all those creators making a living that have both youtube and patreon money coming in to post on a free only alternative and just go to patreon income.
I know it’s not as simple as that, but creators are annoyed of these platforms, mirroring your content on the Fediverse is easy through PeerTube and having ‘uncensored’ or less restricted videos be uploaded onto PeerTube can help.
Users are trapped by the network effect and a desire for ease of use over anything else.
The corporate alternatives will always be an easier sell.
Twitter > Bluesky
Instagram > Upscrolled
TikTok > RedNote
Reddit > no corporate alternative
YouTube > no corporate alternative
Discord > no corporate alternativeTo get the average user, you don’t just have to convince them to leave Twitter, you have to convince them to leave corporate social media and all of their friends that still use it.
You have to convince them to accept additional inconvenience and complexity (@usernames and @instancenames?) in exchange for no direct, tangible benefit. (We know it’s worth it, but the average user doesn’t know and doesn’t care.)
The people who could handle that are already here. Adoption going forward will be (at best) a slow trickle until we reach some level of critical mass.
Why people don't leave Reddit
Reddit has the advantage of years of community-built knowledge, and it’s a “one-stop shop”. Looking for the gaming community? Go to reddit, type in gaming, it’ll be in the top 3, if not the top 10.
Go to the threadiverse, and you have to run the gauntlet of servers (what’s an instance?), deferated instances (why can’t I see XYZ?), and 20 communities with similar names (which gaming community is the “real” one?). The switching cost is too high for most as long as Reddit still exists.
Why people don't leave Discord
Discord is easy to set up, and they’re digging their claws into game dev by making it easy to monetize communities (enshittification, here we come!).
RevoltStoat isn’t federated, so each server is segregated from the others. As they grow, users will centralize for the sake of convenience. My bet is they either sell out or remain a niche alternative.Element is (still) too complicated and unreliable. Audio sharing is inconsistent (no audio streaming on desktop screenshare, mics won’t work, etc). Video calls aren’t fully implemented.
Why people won't leave YouTube
No one can match YouTube’s sheer scale. They have billions of videos and billions of users. Their monetization system means that creators are identified to create quality content for the platform.
By contrast, PeerTube’s best content is often mirrors or backups of content from other platforms. PeerTube is a great backup, but without monetization to incentivize creators, it’s not a real alternative.
It’s a marathon not a sprint, hopefully we’ll slowly but surely chip away at it.
As your post highlights UX is everything, hopefully the Fediverse can get as good UX as the main platforms
What’s with Piefed? Isn’t it just another Lemmy instance?
Different platform/software, same protocol (ActivityPub).
PieFed is a different software. Lemmy is written in Rust and has a certain set of features.
PieFed is a newer project, written from scratch in Python, by completely different people. It includes Lemmy’s features and shows the same posts as Lemmy, but has additional features such as polls, events, feeds (which are the same thing as multireddits on Reddit), emoji reactions, flairs, notifications for new comments coming for some specific post or new posts coming in some specific community, messaging with Mastodon users, and some other stuff that fails to come to my mind right now :)
There are several PieFed instances: https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
I’m sometimes using Mbin, but everything that is good about it, is also good in PieFed. It’s been nice that Mbin has support for following Mastodon with the same account you use for following the Forumverse, but since some of Mastodon’s features are unsupported, I still find it more comfortable to just browse Mastodon separately. Quote posts are not shown properly, for example. Also, pictures in comments in Forumverse are shown as links.
I find Mbin much nicer than Lemmy, but PieFed even nicer. For now, at least. Nobody knows if Mbin suddenly invents some killer feature :)
My god, thank you for putting the names under the logos. I’ve seen too many people just put the logos without any text because it’s “clean”, but then the viewers have no idea what to search for lol
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People are fleeing to another close source centralized app that’s not federated. People will use anything but Fediverse. :(
Probably the clearest indicator that the lack of technological literacy in mass market society means that marketing budgets are incredibly effective, and most won’t question the incentives of the platform holder.
Piefed? Wasn’t the replacement Lemmy?
PieFed has more features and can do everything Lemmy can. There are many things you can do in Reddit but not on Lemmy, but most of those are possible on PieFed.
A user migrating to PieFed is more likely to stay than a user migrating to Lemmy, because they won’t have a feeling that there are familiar features lacking. You don’t have flairs, multireddits (a.k.a. feeds), polls, events, personal notes on users, or notifications on new posts/comments on Lemmy, but on PieFed you do.
These are like 2 sides of one coin. PieFed is basically a very good modification of Lemmy with its own advantages and problems.
There’s a few different options. There’s also Mbin and a couple others that I couldn’t name off the top of my head.
Yes, but if you try to recommend people to use Mbin you have to explain why they have to call shitposts in meme communities “articles” in “magazines”.
wtf? you mean reddit -> lemmy right?
PieFed = Lemmy but better. (In my opinion)
They share the same content, but PieFed has more features and better UX.
I’m typing this from PieFed right now
PieFed is just a Lemmy instance, no?
Nope, it’s its own thing. It’s federated, so you can view piefed content on lemmy and vice versa, but it’s a separate platform built in a different language by someone else. I like it better mainly because the lemmy devs are transphobes who are fond of the idea of mass murdering their political opponents.
It’s a different software stack, both server and client. But it uses the same protocol as Lemmy for federation (same story with kbin/ mbin.) so all those talk to eachother.
Its a similar base but distinct in feature set and backend.
Piefed is a perfectly fine alternative to Reddit.
It could also be lemmy/piefed since both are interoperable.
RIGHT?
I wish there were a better name that represents lemmy & piefed. I know “threadiverse” is probably the “correct” name but it’s a bit… shit.
Well let’s add facebook & discord alts as well.
Revolt got at cease and desist for the name. They renamed it to Stoat.
It kind of looks like Stoat is just an Open Source Discord clone?
While the idea is great, it looks like all their servers are hosted by them (correct me if I’m wrong). Was really hoping for some kind of self hosted Discord where all the data is stored locally.I use Mumble currently, which is great for voice chat, but there are simply not enough features.Edit: Actually I found the github page and it seems like there is a way to deploy this locally. Disregard
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Matrix might be better…
Piefed / Lemmy / Mbin
Agreed, but choice fatigue also needs to be considered. Pick your favorite and promote it to people.
I wish Peertube had more content, although I may just be actual garbage at finding it.
Take a look over at !peertube@lemmy.world It would be great if more people knew about it and posted/interacted.
Also https://piefed.social/f/fediversevideos or join (if you are piefed) here ~fediversevideos@piefed.social
Thank you!
No problem! Enjoy.
I recently contacted a content creator at youtue asking if they might also share their content on peertube as they have the rights to do so. Maybe this is a way of getting more content.
Since the videos are already made for yt it shouldn’t be a lot of more work to do for creators.
This is the issue with fediverse in general: lack of content. I’m sure people can figure out how to join … it’s not any more complicated than joining Bluesky, and that has exploded in growth. Why? Because everybody is on there.
it can be tough to find good stuff on there. I had a personal peertube instance that I had setup but I ended up shutting it down, i rarely used it and couldn’t find a lot of good stuff on there.
found this awesome peertuber, he is super cool: blinmaster@peertube.wtf (its my own channel and i found a place to plug it :3)
Lots of people are upset with the censorship happening on TikTok and are uninstalling TikTok, this image might be useful to show to them.
Nice clean refresh of this graphic.
