Pretty simplistic. There is a whole system put in place by billionaires and their cronies in order to keep the plebs divided and fighting amongst themselves to distract from the general excesses and depravity of their lifestyle.
turns it works really good with right wingers, because thier beliefs are culture wars stuff from the get-go, just add alitle more hate this race swapped, dei person,etc.
Source? Like, I would love for this to be true. But how do we know it’s true? Surely if it’s so obvious it should be easy to provide one specific piece of evidence, rather than just gesturing broadly at the world and saying “it should be obvious”.
Epstein had a conversation with m00t, and the same day, 4chan put out /pol, the board that infected the rest of the site with the right-wing sentiment it’s currently known for, in addition to being ground zero for basically all conservative neo-nazi culture today.
This among many other things.
In this thread, I found the Epsteinfta.com link to search the epstein files for text. I know Steve Bannon is one of the main architects behind right wing media strategy. I know people who are black are a common distraction in the USA, so I searched “Bannon” “blacks”, using “blacks” here because that’s how racists refer to people who are black.
The very first hit is Steve Bannon discussing with someone how to improve Trump’s image in 2018 by comparing him to Obama.
The second result is a conversation on how to gain support by “wearing the name calling as a badge of honor”. The name calling here being labeled “racist”.
This took 5 minutes and some brainpower.
Thanks for actually giving evidence, but to your point, if it only took five minutes and some brain power, then I would expect that the people making the claim in the first place should have been the ones to do it, since the burden of proof was on them. It’s pretty annoying to act like it should be my responsibility to put the right search terms into that huge library of files, especially since there are plenty of other reasonable things that I might have searched while trying to find something to justify this anti-woke claim that maybe wouldn’t have led to the same results as the one that you put in.
I don’t think that it’s not much to ask that if people want to make a claim that they should at least provide the actual source for it, rather than just gesturing to a million files and saying “it’s in there, find it, and if you don’t want to find it, you’re a piece of shit”.
You know what, that’s a fair take. I suppose I’ve been keeping up with this stuff more than the average bear, so connections that may seem obvious to me may not be to people who don’t have that same knowledge base.
I suppose the annoyed feeling comes from folks who have been keeping up with this stuff who feel like they have to keep proving that grifters like Steve Bannon are using words as weapons to gain power instead of standing by anything. Proof of right wing grifters being fascists keeps popping up, so it feels like playing whack a mole whenever someone asks for proof.
I believe this post, like many others are correlating the creation of the /pol/ board on 4chan after moot had a conversation with Epstein or something.
Acting like /pol/ and 4chan is solely responsible for the entire situation is just a vapid braindead take, much less the idea that a political board on a popular forum hangout is some meniacal master plan…
Obviously all this Epstein shit is heinous af, but acting like he’s the origin of all evil just fucking hilarious “this is your brain on religion” logic. That being said, Epstein would definitely make a good “Satan’s avatar” in a story…
Firstly, what do you mean solely responsible, secondly, groypers, pepe the frog, wojaks, incels, the proud boys, whoever was running Ron Desantis’ media accounts and throwing sonnenrads behind his head in promotional videos, and many people currently working for Trump right now have roots in 4chan.
Frankly, I think you’re getting a bit defensive.
[edit] Oh, I always forget about QAnon. That’s like the first one I should say. The capital riot was QAnon. That’s 4chan, man.
Incels didn’t originate with 4chan, 4chan just gave them a more visible home than they had previously.
And? 4chan was a shithole. I don’t know why I’d be defensive over it.
I just thinking blaming edgelord neckbeards with terminal online syndrome for the current political landscape is a cop-out and naive at BEST.
If that’s a defensive position to take of 4chan your bar is extremely low.
There is a lot of blame to go around but 4ch was the face of it and the place to foment, it’s not a cop-out to suggest that in the same capacity GamerGate was the direct project of Steve Bannon there is a degree of “culture-bending” by people who see the culture’s stress points. The scars go back to the foundation of the country sure, but people actively work to keep the wounds open and weeping. How do they do that? Were they supposed to take power through one-off wing nuts like Timothy McVeigh, Randy Weaver, William Luther Pierce? Those guys could be incendiary but they couldn’t penetrate the culture itself, the right had to come up with a way to sell their shit in the 21st century. 4chan brought them all onto the information superhighway, merging the culture of Something Awful, Stormfront, and every contrian-filled anime BBS board. It doesn’t all trace back to Epstein but it does all trace back to class war, white supremacy, sex trafficking, and patriarchal chauvanism, and these were the tools available to them.
I think I agree with everything you said except that 4chan was the face of it. Even in the digital realm alone, there are far larger and far more toxic avenues, and one of the largest is staring at most everyone in the face every day. Facebook has been far worse imo than 4chan could ever dream to be, for the very same reasons 4chan is condemned.
I’ll concede that could be my subjective viewpoint tho based on my interactions with both of them.
A cop-out from what?
Appropriately attributing blame to those who perpetuate it. It is possible that 4chan was a useful tool, but 4chan itself is hardly invested it keeping everyone divided to pull people away from actual issues.
They also pale in comparison to the influence political leaders, mass media, and billionaires have.
It may have also been the cause of the big woke movement
I’m on the web since 90s and I saw this unroll first hand. The social media gave people immense power to organize and validate each other and it took a while for the billionaires to catch up but once they learned of this power they had no choice but to oppose it. They succeeded and now we generally treat social media as net negative and fight “the woke” for them using our own resources.
It’s not a unique, new problem. This what happens with every almost every new technology which starts as legit useful tool that gets captured by bad actors. This is why decentralization and societal hedging is important - we must move quickly, broadly and embrace new tech before the big battleship of doom turns towards us. Guerilla warfare on the bleeding edge is the best path forward!
Thanks for coming to my ted talk 🙏
Edit: actually a very relevant article just dropped on the verge that illustrates this through Epstein emails and how they were coordinating against #metoo movement https://www.theverge.com/tech/874721/epstein-thiel-musk-trump-metoo
Not being a pedo is so woke
Fucking kids to own the libs
Oof I didn’t like that.
Said the kids
Now replace “anti-woke culture war” with “AI” and it still works
ochestated by RUSSIA mostly, working with the billionaires, almost any comment you see online has been suspected of being a russian bot at some point. and if you look at where the bots are being created, mostly by russian accounts. which is why reddit allows thier history to be hidden now.
100% ruzis are stoking this and just recently ditectly exposed through Epstein emails. The entire country is such a shitstain of humanity.
The kremlin definitely pushed it because they benefited from it.
But it’s not that simple.
This is more a convergence of the interests of a lot of powerful actors.
That means yes the Kremlin, but to a probably more significant extent, the billionaires, the corporations and much more.
We lost the Cold War, it didn’t end when the USSR collapsed. The task was to destroy the other’s government without incurring nukes and Russia won overwhelmingly.
Though after the Ukraine war seems like China’s the only global winner in all this.
Sounds like something a Russian bot would say.
I’M ON TO YOU, IVAN!
And Qanon/Pizzagate, because – say it with me, now – it’s always projection.
Also elevatorgate, watch the videos of Rebecca Watson!
Well, they were right to be outraged. We can only hope that some of them have the moral integrity to maintain some sense of (I cant find the right word) fortitude following the revelation that the perpetrators are “their people” and not a bunch of rich and powerful liberals.
Not that I doubt it, I don’t, but uhhh…
Source? Please?
Another good one https://www.theverge.com/tech/874721/epstein-thiel-musk-trump-metoo
Nobody is posting the source because there’s literally nothing in the documents that shows this. People really do just believe anything as long as they want it to be true.
just read the epstein files for yourself
i use https://epsteinfta.com/
that’s like saying my source is in a book in the library. not really useful
Well when the whole book is about that one thing…
yhea, but which book?
The one that was linked. I know it’s not a book. I was using your own analogy.
are you aware what analogies are?
you didn’t link a book, but the whole library.
Okay so then again. It doesn’t matter what book I choose as a source. They are all about what the post is about.
Since the evidence for the claim is, according to you, omnipresent in the documents, it should be easy for you to point to just one single specific document that supports your claim. Can you please provide just one?
What are you doing? What do you gain from this?
I had to check your post history because your behavior in this thread legit made me think you were a nazi. I’m not saying you have to believe things blindly, but like… seriously, what are you getting out of this?
If me asking for a source for something makes you think that I’m a Nazi, you need to seriously reevaluate the way that you interpret behaviors.
What I get out of asking for specific sources is, hopefully, specific sources. The reason why I want specific sources is so that my beliefs can be based on fact, rather than screenshots of posts on social media. I am extremely wary of blindly believing things just because I want them to be true or because it fits my worldview as is. That is a dangerous path which leads to a lot of misconceptions and stupidity. It is exactly the kind of behavior that we see among the Nazis and so many other people. So as part of my continued effort to avoid being like that type of person, it is crucial that I only believe things that I see evidence for.
Are you unclear on the typical meaning of “just” in this context?
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One does not “just” read a three million page document.
There’s tons of documents, and it’s not the first time I’ve seen this claim, so I wonder if there are any specific documents that corroborates the claims
Website’s down, also it would be nice to know about specific documents that back up this type of claim and how
i was wondering if the people who weren’t aware of this were holed up in facebook or reddit, but i guess diet-reddit makes sense too.
Can you provide a single specific document that even suggests evidence of the OP’s claim? If not, then what is your “awareness” based on? A Mastodon post?
lemmy keeps giving me lessons on how uninformed people are, both willfully and accidentally.
i chose to believe that’s it’s the latter here and urge you to pay attention to the epstein files where it pertains to 4chan.
Okay, but as you know, the Epstein files are extremely vast and it’s hard to find specific discussion of them anyways. So, since you are considering yourself much more informed, and since you presumably got that information from a specific document in the Epstein files, it would be nice of you to just provide that document here. Because I’m sure there are lots of Epstein files I could look through that pertain to 4chan that wouldn’t tell me anything of value. And it’s not really fair to expect someone to waste potentially 50 hours of their time… Especially when you claim to already know what part is relevant. It feels like you’re keeping your source a secret lol
it’s your own bare bones responsibility as a functioning adult in society to keep yourself informed, but i can do your job for you if you pay me for it; i charge $500,000 usd per page.
if you don’t want to pay you can either use the search function at the epstein release website or you can follow someone on social media who have decided to do this for free.
i also recommend updating/changing your current information sources if none of them made you aware of this already.
Alright then, keep your secrets
freely available and open to the public secrets.
I mean, who is surprised by this? Genuinely. Do you know anyone who is surprised by billionaires billionairing? Because I don’t.
We were sold this idea that billionaires just do business and live luxuriously for decades now. Some people still believe this.
Many Americans not only get their news just from American sources, they also limit to just their preferred propaganda source like a major network (fox, abc, CNN, etc) or nontraditional source (newsmax, Breitbart, Joe Rogan podcasts, Facebook, etc). It’s the same as someone in Russia only listening to RT or a Brit only considering BBC, etc. If you only listen to one or two agreeing sources it’s very difficult to tell what is being left out or distorted on purpose without perspective & understanding the biases of the sources they consume.
https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2025/06/10/the-political-gap-in-americans-news-sources/
It’s just conjecture not supported by the article, but I suspect most Americans would say their 1-2 news sources are unbiased or very little bias as opposed to understanding how they are actually biased.
I don’t understand. This is just an image of a tweet.
It appears to be from either Bluesky or Mastodon. Both twitter replacements. It also seems as though that’s what this comm is. A place for pictures of ‘tweets’
So I read some of the stuff that has been popping up. He says some damning things but most of it just comes off as an idiot guessing and mouthing off to impress people.
I don’t doubt there’s some shady things going on, I just don’t think this guy was actually in the know. He seems like more of a henchman mostly in the dark instead of the mastermind that had a tell all over email.
