Yeah, this one is worth a full browse.

  • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
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    The new emails have alleged that Epstein grew Angel’s Trumpet plants from the genus Brugmansia or Datura, which contain a highly toxic substance called scopolamine.

    The substance is often referred to as “Devil’s Breath” or the “zombie dr*g,” due to its ability to induce extreme suggestibility, memory loss, and even loss of free will.

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      Wow, datura is a deliriant. That’s some messed up stuff. Like running down the street naked because the werewolf is chasing you kind of messed up. Talking to people that aren’t there type stuff.

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    It’s plants containing Scopolamine to save you all from reading that shitty article with it’s shitty cens*ring

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    Was he drugging his victims: ✅️
    Was he DIYing his own drugs to do it with: ❌️

    It’s a prescription medication and pretty easily available on the recreational market, no way was he spending the time to brew up artisinal batches of his date rape drugs instead of just buying them alongside all the other drugs we know he was using. They’re just pretty flowers.

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      I imagine it was more of “this drug enables me to do so much, and it comes from these pretty flowers!” that he mentioned/showed to all his fucked up pedo acquaintances and friends.

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          There any evidence for him having them pick it or are we just speculating on fucked up things he could have done - because there’s more than enough hard evidence of the fucked up shit he actually did, we don’t need to fantasize about how much worse it could have been.

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              It just read to me like some of the borderline horny stuff the truecrime fandom comes up with (the ones writing the Epstein fanfic, yea it’s a thing), which I know wasn’t your intent.

              He was off the scales horrible by any metric you choose to use, and fantasizing about how he could have done some hollywood serial killer power move shit just doesn’t need to happen here. We’ve got video of him getting a neck massage while underage girls dance naked in his tacky office next to a stack of paternity tests, like… Isn’t that bad enough?

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        If there’s evidence that he used it I wouldn’t be shocked, but the credible evidence indicates he preferred his drugs refined. He doesn’t seem to have grown a poison garden, which is what I’d expect from someone with complete pharmaceutical access that is just into using natural poisons like datura on victims. He’s far more likely to give a modern date rape drug mixed with alcohol, cocaine, or even food or water based on what we know, and for the datura to simply be a beautiful flower that he did brag about its effects, but didn’t use.

    • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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      These fake stories are disingenuous or actually an attempt to reduce credibility of actual events. Similar to the sulphuric acid or beef jerky stories.

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    I hate this article for repeatedly censoring the word “drug”.

    • Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world
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      Or any of the words they censored. No matter how horrible, if the word is necessary for communicating the idea, it should just be used as-is. This kind of censorship isn’t sparing mental trauma for anyone. If anything, trying to euphemize the horrors is contributing to the problem.

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    Wild that these stories keep coming out, and we keep having to reckon with the fact that both of our ruling parties were a-okay with this, and it was (of all people) a participant in the pedophile ring who proved most instrumental in exposing it.

    Just nuts.

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    Datura can definitely be used for nefarious purposes, and fuck Epstein - but it isn’t as rare and crazy to grow as the article makes out. There’s a big patch of datura that grows wild near me beside an old folks’ home. I’m sure there is plenty growing wild in most of North America.

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      It grows in people’s gardens all over the warmer parts of the us. The flowers look and smell amazing.