- cross-posted to:
- utah@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- utah@lemmy.world
“It is not a mild infection, it is not a mild virus; it is a severe illness. And they kept on telling me they wish they’d known beforehand how bad measles was, so that they could have protected their family,” she said.
You see, the reason you didn’t know was because we had eradicated it before you morons decided you were smarter than the entire science and medical community because you watched some youtube videos
Algorithmic engagement prioritized this shit over established medical science. Big Tech undermined all the pillars of society. What a fucking mess.
Capitalism. Capitalism caused this. Big Tech is just a vessel that is used by capitalists to further their agenda.
Big Tech is a force multiplier. It amplifies the scale and scope of the damage. To make an analogy, it’s like replacing muskets with machine guns. Capitalism was headed this direction long before tech came along, but with tools like these in their pocket, the scale of the disinformation went from “a serious problem” to “an existential crisis”, and the tools we have to resist it are simply incapable of holding the line against the firehose of BS.
That’s what I was trying to say, but I like your explanation better than mine. 😅
incapable of holding the line against the fire hose of BS
Also known as Brandolini’s law
The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.[1][2]
I once had a neighbor tell me they “didn’t agree with liberal views on vaccines.”
You know, like germs give a flying fuck about your political views.
The irony? This person is a nurse.
I worked in nursing for a while
I worked with a few excellent people, many average people, and a horrifyingly large number of absolute fucking halfwits
That’s my experience with the medical field as well. It breaks my heart, I used to trust doctors, but after some interesting experiences I am now convinced it’s all a minstrel show held together with bailing wire.
I think it helps that I’m lucky enough to live in a civilised country, rather than 'Murica
I worked in a nursing home during Covid, including when the vaccine came out and it became mandatory for employees. Despite going through school to become nurses or aides, as well as witnessing all the horrors of Covid with their own eyes, some people chose to quit instead of get the vaccine.
I had no words, and I still have no words.
I have several words
Such as “fucking morons” and “useless wastes of oxygen”
Nurses are either brilliant, wonderful, helpful people, joe-schmoe’s looking to make a buck, or radical traditionalist women who think that it’s ok to be a nurse because it’s women’s work.
If it were a different country, I’d be ratting her ass out to the medical board.
we had eradicated it
Clearly we hadn’t.
We horded the vaccine domestically, patented efficient methods for manufacturer and distribution, and curtailed it’s use in states we considered too poor or too evil.
Some of the highest rates of measles today can be found in Yemen, a country we’ve been bombing since the early '10s.
We didn’t exterminate the disease. We incubated it. And now we’re reaping what we’ve sown.
we also curtail other vaccines too, like HPV limited to women MOSTLY unless some how you can convince your doc/insurance to approve it, Meningicoccal menigitis vaccine, we know majority isnt “susceptible” enough to be eligble but still.
There’s also the shingles vaccine, which (at least, in the US) is typically reserved for those 50+. I could understand if they limited the vaccine for those young enough to have been immunized against chicken pox. However, that vaccine wasn’t released here until 1995, well after many of us (particularly Millennials and younger Gen X) already caught the disease. This leaves those of us under 50 in a vulnerable gap, where we’re susceptible to shingles, but not allowed to be vaccinated against it. Of course it’s especially dangerous for older folks, but that doesn’t mean shingles won’t kick the ass of an otherwise healthy 35 year old.
I personally fall into this gap, and I’m pretty pissed about it. I know people younger than me who’ve already experienced shingles, and it’s frankly terrifying.
It was taught in our schools, along with the black plague and others.
NO SHIT ITS NOT A MILD INFECTION.
The entire world came together to eradicate a disease that we knew could not only debilitate but kill.
We spent years to formulate a preventative treatment that allows our bodies to survive infections, but some looneytunes sounding twat decides that vaccines are the devil and now that very same disease has open and unprotected vectors to be spread through.
Isn’t measles considered bad because it’s INSANELY contagious? Like covid made immunologisys freak out because the infection rate was over 2? Measles is like 12 or 18.
Lingers in the air for hours too… Good luck american morons and their neighbours…
I had measles as a kid, I wasn’t vaccinated, i remember it as if it were yesterday, it was so traumatic, i genuinely thought I was going to die, I genuinely felt my mortality, at like 7 or 8yo. the pain was more than I could cope with. My mother was (and still is) an antivaxer. As deranged (and narc) as they come. I got my kids vaccinated. It’s ripping my heart out, knowing what these kids are, entirely unnecessarily, being put through.
I don’t want to pull on any strings that are too painful or nothing but … did you tell your mom that you vaccinated your kids? if you did, how did she handle it?
She’s only become very vocal about her beliefs since the covid vaccine propaganda has been going around. I always thought she didn’t vaccinate us because she just didn’t care. It was rare for her to care about any of our (me and my siblings) physical ailments, or illnesses. And we don’t really speak, even when we do talk, there’s never any conversations where we talk about things, so I wouldn’t have ever spoken to her about getting my babies vaccinated. She’s a full blown narcissist, so conversations with my mother look like, her running some spiel about how amazing she is, how much better she is at literally everything, how much of a burden and annoyance everyone in her life is, because they are lazy or some such and make so much work for her, (even though she never lifts a finger to do anything, it’s all done by these people for her). And I’m the black sheep, she’s hated me the most for as long as I can remember, she diminishes and ridicules everything I say, or outright ignores me, randomly pretends I don’t exist and she can’t hear anything i say. All that to try to explain, we’ve never really talked, like ever.
Partially she hated me the most because from teen years on i always called her out on her shit. Sometimes just by asking simple questions, sometimes by outright stating the ways , what she was saying didn’t make sense. Lately I’ve been calling her out on the covid bullshit, but she makes such idiotic statements, I’m starting to feel like what’s the point. She doesn’t listen to or consider what I’m saying. I’m feeling like it’s a waste of my energy. None of us believe her bullshit. The last time she started on her vaccine rants, it was that “covid vaccine caused all those deaths” spiel. I explained to her, painstakingly, that more people will die without the vaccine. She said that doesn’t matter, any deaths are too many. There’s nothing rational going on up there.
I feel like She just likes to rage about something, it doesn’t matter what, but it has to be something right wing type. To distract from the massive ego vs reality imbalance, rife inside narcissistic types. Their beliefs don’t match reality, about themselves, so they’re constantly having to either try and create that fantasy reality by tearing others down, in an attempt to assert the hierarchy, therefore being able to see themselves as better than those they tear shreds off, in some twisted logic, or distracting themselves with some injustice (usually a bourgeois injustice, as they see themselves as the top 1%. Regardless if that matches reality).
I had a friend who was an antivaxer, too. She wasn’t a crazy narcissist, like my mother. She just fell for the propaganda. She was respectful about it, we just didn’t talk about it at all. But if we did accidentally come upon the subject in conversation, she still wouldn’t say anything. She didn’t ever try to convince me, none of that. We drifted apart, busy lives.
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makes me glad my wife’s classroom has external vents
If anyone in a large room or house has measles, everyone will get it.
1 in 100 will get the virus in their brains leading to permanent brain damage or blindness.
Even europeans, asians, will have to be more careful the next tens of years, thanks to some deranged conspiratists in power.
At some point, rest-of-the world will mandate a vaccine proof from US travelers, because you know: that backward country with people carrying disease…
Should be a law if you don’t trust science to get vaccinated, you can’t use hospital resources when you’re sick. Do your research and figure it out.
Sounds great in theory, absolutely rancid in practice. It would lead to a massive increase in infections in people who actually did get vaccinated or who are otherwise immunocompromised.
Also in this case it would just punish those poor children even more for the stupidity of their parents.
How about we take in the sick kids, and file charges of child neglect on the parents?
Especially not with measles, that shit is way too dangerous and way too contagious.
The idiots will cull themselves
And get innocent people killed in the pr
They’ll do that either way.
I honestly believe that this will happen over a long period of time. As more diseases and pandemics come back, the people who don’t get vaccinated will die in larger numbers, leading to natural selection against stupidity. Unfortunately it will also take out the vulnerable.
ive seen more infections circulating around ever since Mr brainworms removed any vaccine mandates, or defunded vaccine research. now we also see people resisting getting vaccines in general now too.
Or planes or cars or computers, etc, etc.
Let’s abandon the Hippocratic oath and switch to MAGA tactics!
Do no harm != help everyone all the time
It means if someone needs healing you heal them, end of story. Choosing to not help is doing harm.
This circle of hate is sad and worrying. The solution to this measles problem is more education and leaders that really care about their population, not stupid campism. What is gained by not treating the stupid fucks who refuse the vaccine because they think they know better? They will become a contagion vector and die in their conviction, and you get to feel smug I guess. Be the better person, don’t stoop to their level.
Seems like self-deportation to a faraway island would be a win-win. Thrive, die, they can do whatever they like with minimal impact on the rest of society.
And they kept on telling me they wish they’d known beforehand how bad measles was, so that they could have protected their family
We’ve been trying to tell you, but you stuck your fingers in your ears and insisted you knew better. And once you’re over the measles, instead of using this newly-acquired realization to revisit some of your positions, you’ll stick your fingers right back in your ears and refuse to listen to us about anything else you’re wrong about. So enjoy your measles, and all of the diseases you’re going to catch again because measles reset your immune system, and I fucking hope you get shingles.
Sadly, it’s not usually those that make the decision not to vaccinate that are infected. It’s their children. Most parents have had mandatory vaccination.
I think that puts an additional degree of ick to the whole thing. You can do your “research” and decide that “the vaccine is worse than the disease it prevents,” but don’t do so while you are protected, endangering others that you claim to love.
I fucking wonder why there was such a concerted effort to create a :: checks my notes:: fucking vaccine!!!
A society that doesn’t know how to pass common knowledge from generation to generation is doomed.
literally this. it’s easily our biggest species-level superpower

Antivaxxers should love measles because there’s a chance it can completely wipe out your immune system which is like a human factory reset.
Measles is worse than the actual illness, which bad and kills. It resets the immune system so the immunity that is built up over a lifetime is lost. Definitely don’t get it as an adult.
At what point should other countries ban travel from the US?
November 6th, 2024
I would even say 2004
I mean, you can, but the cases in the US were imported from elsewhere: the ones in the Northeast are generally from heavily Orthodox Jews traveling to or from Israel; the cases in the southwest started among the Mennonite community and was imported from Mennonites in Mexico. Unfortunately, vaccine resistance is pretty high among both groups.
The better way to handle it would be to require that travelers to your country have been vaccinated, and that refugees and asylum seekers are kept in quarantine and given vaccinations before they’re paroled to the general public. There’ll still be people who slip through the cracks - immigrants who manage to avoid processing, people traveling on small boats or small planes, etc - but it would be a start. Unfortunately, I don’t know how well that plays with all the various “free travel” rules.
Since 2021 (when Covid19 vaccines were rolled out in the “Western” world and normal life gradually returned). Maybe already earlier, but travel was restricted anyhow.
Good reasons have only been mounting since then.
Add travel advisory warnings for people going there.
If only there was some way to protect yourself. /s
"Most people survive measles, though in some cases, complications may occur. About 1 in 4 individuals will be hospitalized and 1–2 in 1,000 will die. Complications are more likely in children under age 5, adults over age 20, and pregnant people.Pneumonia is the most common and accounts for 56–86% of measles-related deaths.
“Possible consequences of measles virus infection include laryngotracheobronchitis, sensorineural hearing loss, and—in about 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 300,000 cases—panencephalitis, which is usually fatal. Acute measles encephalitis is another serious risk of measles virus infection. It typically occurs two days to one week after the measles rash breaks out and begins with very high fever, severe headache, convulsions and altered mentation. A person with measles encephalitis may become comatose, and death or brain injury may occur.
“For people having had measles, it is rare to ever have a symptomatic reinfection.
“The measles virus can deplete previously acquired immune memory by killing cells that make antibodies, and thus weakens the immune system, which can cause deaths from other diseases. Suppression of the immune system by measles lasts about two years and has been epidemiologically implicated in up to 90% of childhood deaths in third world countries, and historically may have caused rather more deaths in the United States, the UK and Denmark than were directly caused by measles. Although the measles vaccine contains an attenuated strain, it does not deplete immune memory.”
—Wikipedia
Your first paragraph has some repeated sentences
thanks!
Yeah but how could anyone have known this beforehand! /s
How could that have happened? That is SO strange that Obama would do this.
Obama’s evilness knows no bounds. Wait until you find out what Obama does to tRUMP’s pants…a few times every day!!
Confusing that the magic underwear didn’t save them, what are my tithe’s paying for?
I had measles as a kid in the 80s, either before I was old enough for the vax or a breakthrough case, unclear which as idk the recommended schedules from the 80s. I was in the hospital for weeks. I take vaccination very seriously, get every single one I can, and was quite pleased to have gotten all my childhood vaccinations a second time as an adult, just to be absolutely sure (my records went missing and it was required for my job).














