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Man this country needs to get serous about juries because it seems that there’s no point to them.
Also what the fuck is “concealing a document” and how the fuck is it a crime.
Additionally, how is it not double-jeopardy to convict someone of
- Firing a firearm
- Firing a firearm while firing a firearm
They used to say “you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sanwich.” then that guy threw a ham sandwich at that ICE agent. Then the grand jury refused to indict him twice.
Having been to jury duty last year. They really hit you with a ton of propaganda. They basically try to brainwash all potential jurors before even getting to actual jury selection. People need to know thier rights. They do not in fact have to vote guilty based on the instructions of the judge. They are supposed to make up thier own minds. It’s intended to be a check and balance on the judicial system.
They basically try to brainwash all potential jurors before even getting to actual jury selection. People need to know thier rights. They do not in fact have to vote guilty based on the instructions of the judge. They are supposed to make up thier own minds. It’s intended to be a check and balance on the judicial system.
I’ll say! I came this close to being on a jury, they need 12 plus some number of alts (3?) and I think I was down to < 20 at that point. Anyway, when questioned on the “following instructions” bit I think I waffled just enough on that to get bounced.
But yeah, fuck that: we need more jury nullification on things like this. Don’t bow to “the law” if you think it’s bullshit.
I waffle on being honest when answering such questions, knowing it will target me for removal, and saying what they want to hear so I can get on the jury and do the job correctly. It’s a tough call, in large part because I have IBS, and could need to run to the bathroom at anytime. And being required to not do that makes it more likely to occur (anxiety is a trigger among other things).
The jury I did get selected for was sort of the opposite. The prosecution didn’t “prove” thier case, but it was still obvious the guy was guilty. They only needed 10 of 12 to convict at that time. He would have been free if they needed 12 because one guy clearly said he would never vote to convict because the prison system itself was unjust. I kinda agree with him too though.
I got out of jury conscription by phrasing my refusal in terms of religion. They let my whole group go, I think because of my sermon.
It’s pretty wild that you can get out of jury duty for religion but not for secular reasoned principles. I would prefer not to talk about religion but I was desperate to escape.
I think it’s supposed to be for like deleting logs or financial records when a search is imminent. But in that case it’s based on the stuff you’re concealing containing evidence of a crime. Some zines aren’t that.
This is at least 2.5 of jeopardy
Remember when the alt-right guys were prosecuted for their khakis-and-polo-shirts, escape-by-blending-into-a-crowd uniforms that demonstrated malice aforethought?
No, me neither.
Fucking hell! This is some bullshit.
Terrorism is controlling people’s behavior by making them afraid.
In the United States, there’s one group of people doing that, and it ain’t antifa, folks.
It’s always Antifa. Except when it’s trans people, or muslims, or Spanish speaking people, or Greenland.
The Constitution is TERRORISM (UNLESS you’re Using it to Shoot up a Bunch of Children!)!
-LITERALLY Republicans!
Terrorism is the use of violence or threats of violence against a civilian population to achieve a political end.
How is wearing black going to fit into that definition? I don’t know.
Terrorism is…
That might be a popular definition but it’s not the state’s definition. The state’s definition is determined by court cases including this one.
What a fucking orwellian dystopia.
Hopefully the appeal is quick and this gets overturned.
How much longer before appeals don’t work because the Epstein class has stacked those courts, too?
Well that started years ago, and got a lot worse with Trump. But I don’t think they’re willing to play their hand too much on this issue.
Dress like ICE.
Oooo, curious what they’d say. “Impersonating a federal agent” might be the first thing that comes up.
Just don’t wear anything that says “ICE”. But wear khakis, masks, sunglasses, hat, etc that matches the colors.
Create confusion.
Like this?
…no? How does any of that fit the description?
Is this the one where the judge declared a mistrial on some made up pretext because the first jury pool was too sympathetic to the defendants?
I wish Lemmy had a paywall tagging feature.
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Same result would happen if they wore all pink, its not about the clothes its about sending a message and terrorizing people
its about sending a message and terrorizing people
If only there was some snappy term for that 🤔
Hey man, I dress all black because I’m a ninja, that’s part of my heritage
Well, this can’t end well…
Nothing the US government is doing will end well.
Well I am gonna dress so vibrant at my next priest you will see me from space
