edit Shame on the entire Lemmy World mod team for locking this thread, you are participating in an evil you don’t want to mess with that will consume you. Children are dying as we speak and you have all atrociously failed your duty to ethically moderate and steward a community. You hurt this place.
This is a serious problem for y’all, I know you removed him as a site wide moderator, but it is simply not enough. You are endorsing someone who has a CLEAR pattern of silencing discussion about a particular group of people and if that doesn’t alarm you, you need to wake up and pay attention.
Looking back there is a repeated pattern of removing, silencing and acting derisively towards discussion about Palestine and the Palestinian Genocide from Jordan Lund both from my interactions with him and also from others I have found easily from searching.
Deal with this problem.
See this post
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42491951
…and this post.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630105
Edit shame on the Lemmy World team for ignoring this post or trying to find lazy ways to dismiss it.
This should serve as a warning to all, do not depend on Lemmy World communities, diversify to different servers as there is a serious distortion of reality going on here about what is allowed to be talked about and what is not. The consequences are real and we could not be discussing a more serious subject of censorship than the Palestinian Genocide and the politics around it.
They also hold the opinion that the only valid news sources are corporate and billionaire-owned news sources. They are a danger to the fediverse.
I think Jordan must have linked here, his devoted defenders are here now, with no evidence or intelligence from good faith from them.
Make sure to link to the other thread where the admins said it would be addressed as it’s obviously not
I think Jordan must have linked here, his devoted defenders are here now, with no evidence or intelligence from good faith from them.
@lwadmin@lemmy.world hey Jordan is attacking user on other servers and breaking tos in multiple ways. Going to do anything about it this time?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/65405478
Just gonna add him being as ass as I see them here
Watch, they won’t. They’ll say they’ll discuss it with him and do nothing. Their trolls (Jordan, PJ, Rheori, many more) are good, calling them out is evil.
Edit: weird how they just give us proof, isn’t it? Do they search for usernames being mentioned? Is it a bot script for .world that if you talk about their active users they get pinged?
And now the top .world defenders have logged on and said we’re illegitimate for asking rules to be followed. Lord.
Might as well have no rules if anytime you disagree with a mod breaking them, trolls come from the wood working.
And have goat calling it botted
Please defend against his bullshit, I have my work to do today unlike him. He intentionally didn’t respond to any of the users who actually can debunk his shit.
Amazing how you can call our trolls and they join the thread. Goat and Rhoeri, speak the devil’s name and the devil appears.
Per site bylaws on community mod removal, can you provide an argument for this case addressing the relevant rules directly?
See my linked posts for an exhaustive argument with sourced links and context. If you have any questions please ask.
I saw: still needs a proper argument.
What part needs to be elaborated? Ok I will format a comment if you want it just feels like copying and pasting into a format that loses even more context.
Futher, I am not sure I trust having a conversation with y’all here? Lemmy World needs to prove to me they won’t silence me because they don’t want to have a discussion about this before I invest time carefully wording and formatting a post here just for it to get silenced/removed.
I know this is a big headache for them, it would be so much easier to just call me a shrill troll who isn’t genuine in their beliefs at all and just wants to stir the pot, and that makes me extremely wary to invest my time making a point here in a way someone like Jordan Lund can flick with a finger and make go away.
When they do I will absolutely put in the effort of moving that kind of discussion over here, but until then sorry I just do not see proof of trust.
For now I refer you to the abundant links I gave that cannot be directly removed, silenced or taken down by Lemmy.World mods.
edit ok let me begin my conversation here with a quote from Jordan Lund
Please review the posts you had removed and explain how these are, in ANY way US Politics:
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
Any mention of US personnel? Policy? Politicians? No? Goes in World. Not Politics.
What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, not Politics.
Similarly, what US corporations do is not Politics. World please.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
You are correct, there is no cease fire in Gaza, who is doing the shooting? Israel.
None of these stories are remotely similar to stories about US mercenaries taking action in Gaza. That’s why they were removed from Politics.
https://lemmy.world/comment/22677703
…and so I open this conversation with a question to you, do you earnestly believe this is a functional, well adjusted way to moderate a Politics community? Can this strategy and way of understanding politics possibly work even outside the thorny question of US-Israel politics?
Edit To make my criticism more specific
Sometimes called the “either-or” fallacy, a false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides to an issue when there are actually more complexities. Essentially, a false dilemma presents a “black and white” kind of thinking when there are many shades of gray.
The simplest form of a false dilemma would be a question like: “do you want ketchup or mustard on your hot dog?” Why not both? Or neither? Or maybe a salad? We probably encounter these harmless false dilemmas often in everyday life. Sometimes, simplifying the number of choices available can even be a useful way to reach a consensus.
However, false dilemmas can become harmful when they’re used to purposely exclude options in order to distort an argument. False dilemmas can also be used to imply that two contrasting positions are actually contradictory. We’ll see an example of that in our comic below:
This is precisely what attempting to separate the US and Israel in terms of political discussion does.
An explicit argument consists of citing the relevant rules, stating how they’ve been violated, and providing evidence. It shows you’ve done the bare minimum to show your claim is plausible. This is in everyone’s interest, especially yours as the interested party.
As basic advocacy, an explicit argument should be expected: if you’re unable to articulate a decent argument, then how can you expect others to do so for you? Leaving that guesswork to others may not necessarily work in your favor. Do you really want to leave the best argument to chance & the unreliable charity of others?
An objective, sound argument may draw popular support by convincing them your claim is legitimate & just and demands action regardless of where admin decision ultimately settles. Not attempting one, however, draws all of it into question.
I have, on the threads I linked, why should I trust my posts to be moderated in good faith here? It is obviously apparent at least some of Lemmy World staff are friendly with Jordan Lund, this is likely messy af for Lemmy World admin.
I have provided abundance evidence, so have others.
I provided the bulk of the evidence on a third party community for a reason, and it is perfectly rational.
Loser behavior.
Have you even bothered trying to contact admins before starting this up?
They have contact info that you’re supposed to use for shit like this
DM https://lemmy.world/u/lwreport
The admins already said they’re okay with it. Putting it here gives more visibility into all the issues jordanlund creates by his moderation style and comments in places he’s not a mod.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/24968209
And admins saying they are upset but not enough to do anything https://lemmy.world/post/36621226
At the time I made the comment, there were no statements from admins in the thread at all.
But if they don’t care, it’s all good :)
It’s okay for his behavior???
Huh? That makes no sense based on the comment you’re responding to
But if they don’t care, it’s all good :)
At this point what does a private conversation mean to everyone else who cares? I am just another loud annoying voice.
I want a public conversation NOT hosted on Lemmy World where people are publicly held accountable.
Because too many just want everything handled in private so it’s easier to ignore
precisely
You can’t talk about someone publicly for their public actions, that’s too mean.
You can banish users for talking too much about what mods don’t like, that’s fair game.
Because if you haven’t bothered to follow the internal process for that instance, then you’re just stirring shit, no matter how bad lund is.
Apparently the admins are fine with your post, so I’m fine with it too. Just saying that shit stirring is a pain in the ass and if you want to actually try to get a change made, you don’t start off by ignoring the established avenues of action.
It’s just a bad idea to essentially flip off the very admins that would be the ones to take any action when trying to get them to do so. People have limited patience for fuckery to begin with.
You do you I guess. But being real, this kind of thing is more likely to end up with people blocking you the same way they have lund and then what have you achieved? Nothing.
nah thats dumb. just go through the process, like, what if the process sucks? what if the process sucking is intentional? also since when do i need someone’s permission to speak my mind, whether it’s labelled stirring shit or not? especially when it’s criticism of someone with the power to censor my speech. nah fuck all that.
This still? Give it a rest.
When he actually get removed for breaking rules that the admins have said he needs to stop breaking, sure.
Why dont you give us all a rest by posting your boring and abusive take someplace else. Looks like you are running interference for mod abuse so you should be banned along with Lund.
I think Jordan must have linked here, his devoted defenders are here now, with no evidence or intelligence from good faith from them.
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