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Donald Trump made clear that his personal grudge with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky hasn’t abated during a phone interview with NBC News.
Speaking with Meet the Press anchor Kristen Welker on Saturday, the president knocked Zelensky for offering assistance to the U.S. and Middle Eastern countries, the latter of which the Ukrainian president said on Friday were seeking his aid in sharing drone detection technology.
The “last person we need help from is Zelensky,” Trump told Welker.
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Trump going 0-3 I’d hold a grudge too
Are these photographs doctored, or did that actually happen?
I have no doubt they happened as random hand gestures, but they were not rock paper scissoring. The only thing that looks exactly like an intentional rock-paper-scissor would be the left picture, but just indicating “two” could look like that.
as random hand gestures
I know. I just wanted to ask if it was actual random gestures that they made instead of doctored.
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Trump: i need help, can somebody help me
Zelensky : i can
Trump: No, not you
Why would Zelensky even bother?
Its clear Tramp is no ally.No point reasoning with trump, no point pushing him away.
He is doing the smart thing - milking trump of every last drop of military aid that he can get.
At this point I think Zelensky just is doing whatever he thinks he can to try to stop any changes of the US changing sides and teaming with Russia
stop any changes of the US changing sides and teaming with Russia
Too late.
But Iran is a Russian supplier, so strategically, the more US can burn through Iran military capability, the less they have to give to Russia.
Also, the longer the strait is blocked, the better Russia can do in the fossil fuel export situation. So Iran suffering military losses and the strait being open as soon as possible are also strategic imperatives for Ukraine.
Trump treated Zelensky like a wet rag when he invited him to the whitehouse and Zelensky still willing to offer his first hand knowledge and experience of drone warfare.
Trump probably reads Zelensky’s offer as Zelensky gloating or belittling him. If I were Zelensky I would be exploiting the situation to the max, by constantly highlighting how helpless and incompetent the Americans are in the face of Iranian drones and how awesome the Ukrainian fighting force actually is.
That’s what being the bigger man truly means. In more ways that one.
Zelensky is the bigger man in this case. Again, in more ways than one.
Buy he want wearing a suit. Difmt you know the suit is the only thing keeping you from looking like a gross pedophile blob?
Didn’t even say thank you!
/s
I think Zelensky is probably looking for some quid pro quo.
From Trump??!!
Obviously. It’s also meant as a “thank you for the support US have given Ukraine, allow us to share what we’ve learned in our drone warfare.”
But Trumps pride cannot handle that Zelensky might have something to teach the US when it comes to warfare.
No, they’ve been actively making this offer to all their allies for a while now. This isn’t recent. Everyone else took them up on it. Not a quid pro quo so much as just being a good friend to their good friends. The US could have been working with them on this for over a year IIRC, but they were too damn proud to accept any help from anyone else.
Most of the NATO countries training Ukrainians have been doing this since Day 1 (Mostly UK, Germany and Spain afaik). It’s one of the main reasons to offer continuous training at local bases rather than ‘just’ sending officers to Ukraine.
This is the first conflict between two modern militaries since the Falklands. And that wasn’t broadly applicable for many many reasons. From a pragmatic point of view, militaries have been absolutely desperate to ingest lessons learned from the moment we started sending our materiel.
I know for a fact that Canada has been paying very, very close attention.
Elbows up, eh?
That’s what being in a fucking pickle means.
I mean, I’d do the same…
I think Zelensky knows a lot of us in the US support him and Ukraine.
Well, also, strategically any pain for Iran is good for Ukraine, since Iran supplies Russia.
It’s really telling how everyone went from “this is an illegal war and it needs to end” to “zelenski is so based for wanting to help America with with the war”
This obsession American liberals have with zelenski where he seemingly can’t do wrong is so weird. He does a lot wrong, this is one the wrongs. He’s offering to help extend the war and make it significantly more deadly.
Zelenski needs the support of the US. His offer is a way to get it.
no it’s not, he’s just bending the knee to Israel.
Drone warfare? You mean, the kind of warfare “defeated” Iran is using to totally shut down the Strait of Hormuz and which will crush the entire world’s economy in the next few months? That kind of warfare?
That’s how a true diplomat works.
This isn’t about Zelenski, Trump has a grudge against any political leader that isn’t corrupt.
Zelensky was the proximate cause of Trump’s first impeachment, right? The perfect phone call?
I need you to do is a favor, though.
I think that Trump does have a grudge against Zelensky.
Do you mean Zelenskyy is not corrupt?
The fact that Trump hates him is probably pretty good evidence that at least he’s not corrupt enough to suit Trump. I’m wary of any politician that Trump loves. Although there are two notable exceptions to that rule: Zoran Mamdani and Alexander Stubb. No idea how they do it.
One of the few that aren’t in the Epstein files. These days that’s enough.
trump already lifted oil sanctions from russia, hes going to abandon ukraine very soon.
I’m going to build the Trump Bering Strait Bridge, it’ll be the longest bridge in the world, most advanced technology, nothing like this has ever been done before, it’ll be beautiful, look - curtains!
Trump in a couple of months.
Hasn’t he done that already? What is the US doing to help Ukraine at this point?
I mean at least he didn’t attack the Ukraine yet…
We all know that temporary relief is going to become permanent economic reintigration is going to become economic support is going to become military support.
Cucked little bitch. Putin’s dick is so far down his throat that he’s able to fuck his breakfast Big Mac.
I still cannot believe that this pube-flecked chunk of human excrement won a second term. It’s still genuinely sickening to me, like my stomach really feels like I’m perpetually tipping over the apogee of a rollercoaster when I remember what happened. His winning the first term was at least comprehensible, but I’m still punchdrunk from the shock of it all, even after all this time. And I’m not even from the US! I can’t imagine what it feels like for the people who have to live there, especially those who aren’t cis-white-hetero-males.
I still cannot believe that this pube-flecked chunk of human excrement won a second term.
Defund education, control the media, manufacture consent, use others as scapegoats.
Anyone who has spent any time in the US shouldn’t be surprised by him winning. It was and is still shockingly frustrating and disappointing, but unfortunately that’s only because it’s an emotionally difficult pill to swallow how awful so much of it is.
Sort of how no one is surprised when Israel bomb indiscriminately, the US invades/coups/bombs another country, Saudi executes a bunch of people, Russia is excessively brutal, massacres in African conflicts if not genocides and ethnic cleansing that most of the world ignores.
No matter how predictable, it is always shockingly horrifying, but not surprising.
Why do you say that? Americans not caring about democracy and freedom wasn’t on my personal bingo card prior to the 2024 election so it did come as a bit of a shock to me.
You’re lived under a rock before '24?
what exactly are you referring to?
Murican foreign policy for the last few decades.
It feels really bad. Like your neighbors betrayed their country for no personal gains.
And Trump wins the Oscar for dumbest man alive, dead, or in a vegetative state 🏆
That relationship exploded early last year, when the president and Vice President JD Vance appeared to engineer a confrontation with the Ukrainian leader at the White House. The two blamed him for gambling with “World War Three” as the conversation devolved into a shouting match in front of the cameras that stunned reporters in the room.
Gambling with “world war three” — you mean like attacking a large nation that’s friendly with China and Russia and has a choke hold on international shipping of crude oil?
But BiBi told him to
What was Drumpf supposed to do?
Not attack Iran? >!and risk BiBi showing the world the dirt he has on him?!<
Drumpfkopf
As they launch into random wars with several middle eastern nations and beyond… Le sigh.
No, you’re gambling with ww3
Look. Trump has gone bankrupt THREE TIMES from owning casinos.
The man clearly has no idea how gambling works.
Unbelievable…Trump’s would rather save his ego than let Ukraine help save American lives.
My brother in-law actually has a diagnosed personality disorder and the way Trump behaves, especially while under duress, is identical to how my brother in-law would react.
If Trump indeed suffers from a personality disorder, which I am convinced is the case, then he is literally incapable of backing down.
This is an absolute nightmare scenario for the US. Trump won’t stop until he is forced to stop. We will see Trump make even more crucial mistakes and see him try and escalate this as far as he possible can.
Is it still considered a disorder when it is someone’s whole personality? If you removed the perpetual rage, the extreme narcissism and the bullying I think you would only find an orange stain on the floor where Trump was.
Correct. Trump has no personality, he is just personified disorder.
He recently stated that he wants to bomb Khark Island “Just for fun.”
While this is a bald-faced lie to cover up for the fact that their earlier strikes weren’t as successful as claimed, just think about what kind of lie he was willing to tell; to him, the idea of putting Americans in harm’s way “just for fun” seems completely reasonable.
He literally does not care about the lives of the people who swore an oath to serve, to the point where he cannot even conceive of the notion that anyone else would.
“Putin told me Zelensky’s a bad hombre.”
Someone like Trump would rather launch all the nukes in the world and force everyone else to do the same than even give a politician’s back down (I.E. what Ronald Reagan did after the barracks bombing in Lebanon in 1982).
In Trump’s case, he might just be a spoiled brat, honestly. Or it could be a disorder.
Trump’s would rather save his ego
Trump’s ego is the thing he values most of all.
If Trump indeed suffers from a personality disorder,
Don’t give him excuses, he’s a sociopath.
Did we really expect anything else from the guy who wanted to swap out a 4 star general for a TV host as their minister of defence? Seems to be par for the course.
Meanwhile, everyone else is looking at Ukraine, taking notes every single day. We now know what the war of tomorrow will look like. That is a rare opportunity. Completely wasted on Americans that think brute force is always the answer.
Not just looking and taking notes; being actively trained by Ukraine. They didn’t just make this offer to their allies yesterday. Every other nation that’s been rendering assistance to Ukraine has been actively receiving training in drone warfare from them in return for a while now. The US refused because they were too arrogant to think Ukraine had anything to teach them. And then they started a war with a nation that’s leading the way in cheap combat drones. Drones that Ukraine already knows how to counter.
And people have died for that arrogance.
I honestly hope Iran manages to ruin a carrier. Not necessary sink it, as too many would die, but just enough damage to have it out of commission for the next 2.5 years.
I know mate, we’ve had Ukrainians here in Sweden sharing their experience of what does and doesn’t work.
As for Iran. That’s just a whole new level of incompetence. Setting aside Israel attacking water desalination plants, which should be an obvious warcrime. The fact they just started bombing without a plan is mind blowing. Like you said, against a country that have been making the exact drones Ukraine have experience in intercepting. And trump is too proud. Pure hubris
Apparently, we didn’t think brute force was the answer to Russia invading Ukraine, which still makes me sad too.
“Personal grudge”? Trump is a Russian asset. He doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine.
This makes complete sense to me. If you think you are the most powerful man in the world, controlling the worlds biggest military, then an offer to help from a much smaller country who has been asking for your help for years, is going to be seen as an insult. It’s basically just his fragile ego, refusing to admit that the country with the most modern combat experience against IRANIAN drones is going to be of any help.
At the same time, he’s demanding “allies” commit ships to his stupid war.
Those “allies” should tell him that Ukrainian antidrone defenses would be of more help than their ships. And then commit more to the defense of Ukraine, because that’s a far more important matter than bailing Trump out of his self-chosen disaster.
Meanwhile all of Ukraine’s real allies took them up on this offer ages ago. I know for a fact that they’ve been training Canadians on anti-drone warfare pretty much since the war started. Ukraine has asked nothing in return for this, it’s just the kind of thing you do for your allies when you understand alliances as bonds of solidarity that benefit both parties, and not something to be exploited.
Why would a Russian asset successfully weakening our ties with other countries, destroying our economy, and exposing our troops to unnecessary harm… want something that works?
He and his maggot faithful are speed running losing as if it were their explicit purpose.
Of course, that fat bastard in the Oval Office being the running dog for the Kremlin.
I’m sure it’s an open secret in Ukraine.
