I will switch to Android
And you think that Google won’t implement user tracking? It’s literally their reason for existing.
While it’s not (nearly) as convenient, you still have the option to do no-Google Android. At least for now…
Google is working very hard on killing this option. I hope they’ll fail.
Android users be like:
I will switch to Android
I’ll believe it when I actually see it
Why don’t governments force parental responsibilities instead? We wouldn’t need all our data sitting there waiting for the next data breach.
A bit of a dishonest question, but wouldn’t that argument lead to minors being able to buy alcohol “for their parents”? We are now shifting the responsibility to the stores, not the parents.
I have my reasons to think it’s not a fair comparison, but I’ll like to hear other’s.
Because the data is what they want, of course.
Because they don’t actually care abt kids or the Epstein class would all be in jail and they wouldn’t be facilitating the bombing of schools.
Imagine being so horrible at your job as a “journalist” or an editor or a publication that you would allow an article like this to be written under your name or publication without ever mentioning the fact that age verification is being pushed by governments, not phone and computer companies (they are trying to fight its implementation), and that it is equally coming to ALL platforms (yes, even Linux) – as required by law. If you want to fight this ridiculous age verification shit, petition (and vote out) your government. I would also argue that this author and publication should be permanently blacklisted for purposely publishing this obviously biased and misleading misinformation.
‘Even Linux’ you say? Absolutely wrong. Linux is the kernel, and this is what is allowing some Linux distros to flip the finger at this bullshit laws. As for android, yeah, ‘tech-giant’ controlled android OSs will have to comply, but alternatives like GrapheneOS won’t, and most likely will not follow this rule. We have options, people that don’t want to use them are welcome to keep doing as they’re told. While I get that the options are ‘comply or leave this market’ for OS developers, whether small groups of nerds or trillion dollars behemoths, its still a choice, Apple made theirs.
Linux distros without age verification will be prohibited from distributing to regions where this law is enacted. Of course, circumventing the law is also possible, but that leaves either the project – or you – open to prosecution. As I said, your fight is with the politicians pushing through this ignorant law, not with the people, companies, or projects that are forced to comply.
Yeah but then you’ll have a green bubble
It’s amazing how apple managed to get Americans took care about that. Meanwhile no one else cares. No one uses iMessage in Europe or Asia.
Nobody over the age of 12 cares in the US either
Maybe in your bubble.
Imagine caring about what people think when they’re obsessed with what software you use to text. I’m just fucking annoyed so much of my family uses iphone, and despite being able to be part of their group chat, there’s no way to use RCS or some other message format better than fucking SMS/MMS.
Personally I couldnt care less.
I wanna see SMS die (moatly due to 2FA codes being still used with it) and also just get my text across by whatever means.
Get a better bubble then
Lol sure, like android is not gonna do the same
With closed source tech getting worse, the masses will move away from it towards good willed opensource tech. Its inevitable.
Hopping from one proprietary platform to the next is like shopping arround for a kinder slaver who doesn’t beat you as much. We can do so much better.
Promote the platforms that respect your rights and freedoms.
Apple and Google are financially wired to squueze you for all you’re worth. You are the product. You are the sheep that needs fleeced.
We need tech platforms and solutions that respect us and that are not incentivized to squueze max profit. We all know where the road to maxxing profits leads.
I’ve been windows-free for more than 5 years, and as soon as I can get a reasonable Motorola Graphene phone, I am out.
I have been deGoogled as much as I reasonably can, and if possible I want to stop rewarding scum companies altogether. I am ever looking for better options.
except that they don’t even know about the existence of the open tech, and that they are too complicaaaateeeed
GrapheneOS baby
Kicked my 15pro
Folks, this is coming from your government. The phone makers want nothing to do with it and are actively fighting it in court as best they can. Switching between phone makers will not help, and is not the right place to put your energy. Address your concerns to your governments.
The phone makers want your data just as much as the government does. Data is money and power.
They have other ways of determining your age without requiring an extremely unpopular ID check.
Some are accepting having a credit card in Wallet as proof of age, as well as simply having an old enough Apple account
My Apple account is only like a decade old but if YouTube asks me for age verification I’m gonna be writing them a sternly worded letter because my account is old enough to buy alcohol in my country
Before wasting your time with a letter that will go straight into the rubbish, spend a little time seeing if anyone has created a work around, Hopefully Revanced or YTLitePlus can patch the age verification out.
I don’t think there is any way to actually functionally verify age without either an ID check, or a check that ultimately traces back to an ID check from some entity further up the chain. Any successful age check will either dox your identity to the checker, or it can be trivially bypassed.
You’re forgetting that they don’t NEED to know precise age unless they’re doing it for a government mandated age check.
For marketing purposes, which is what they REALLY want your data for, they have a profile of you that’s accurate enough even if your age is off by 5 years.
The capitalist part that wants money can build an accurate enough profile with just statistical correlations, but the fascist aspect isn’t doing it “for the children” or even just money, it’s doing it to completely dismantle all digital privacy, so they can know what everyone is saying and doing online at all times.
But the fascist aspect isn’t doing it “for the children” or even just money, it’s doing it to completely dismantle all digital privacy, so they can know what everyone is saying and doing online at all times.
Yes, that’s the government mandated age check requirements and anti-encryption legislation. Of course many of the people lobbying for these things are rich capitalists, but not exclusively - there are also religious nutcases and overall just people who enjoy having control over others. As far as megacorporations are concerned, they really just want all of your money and if they make you jump through hoops (age verification), you’re actually less likely to give them your money.
As far as megacorporations are concerned, they really just want all of your money
Maybe awhile back, but at this point they are kind of melding with the fascists. Social media, mainstream news, financial architecture, and communication networks controlled by corporations are definitely being backed by increasingly fascist organizations which definitely value total control over everything else.
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Taking it up with our governments is fruitless as well. The days of governments actually giving a shit about what we want are over. If you’re not flush with cash, your voice can and will be overridden at the drop of a hat.
The phone makers want nothing to do with it and are actively fighting it in court as best they can.
Doubt. This way they have excuses to farm user data.
It was this coalition of big tech companies that blocked Texas SB2420 from going into effect on Jan 1 of this year.
Believe me my dude if they wanted your birthdate they would have gotten it before. Or more likely they already have it without this.
I call bullshit. Apple fans happily take anything Apple pushes down their throats. Even a $999 monitor stand or a $40 microfiber cloth.
Wow, I bet you’ve got that comment saved somewhere so you can copy/paste it at every opportunity.
Wow, I bet you’ve got that comment saved somewhere so you can copy/paste it at every opportunity.
Yes every single iPhone owner also bought those 🙄
They also bought insanely expensive airpods because their phone didn’t have a jack plug anymore, so now they have fancy wireless airpods but to make sure they don’t lose them they buy Apple airpod wires for $20. You just can’t make this shit up.
Not every iPhone owner is an apple fan. I’m just aiming at the die hard Apple groupies.
Does your current phone have a headphone jack?
Yes it does.
Obviously you do whatever your preference is. But I’ve dusted off my old iPod and have been listening to music with good wired over ear headphones. I’d forgotten just how annoying having wires were when doing anything other than laying on a bed listening to music; gets caught on everything.
What I’m saying is I do not miss the headphone jack on phones literally one iota.
Wired headphones never run out of battery, wire can be tucked under clothes so won’t get cough on anything. Also won’t lose them as easy as tiny wireless pods.
Indeed it’s a preference, but by removing the jack plug it’s not. It’s forced down your throat whether you like it or not to spend loads more money on something which never was an issue, creating loads more issues. Like batteries. Next to that they can get empty, they get worse over time. Or you lose one pod. “Just buy new ones!” It’s all focused on make the consumer consume more, hoarding in exponentially more money and producing more waste. While I’m still enjoying my €120 wired headphones for over 15 years now, with exceptionally good sound quality. Except for the wire which I replaced 2 years ago, it’s still as good as new. The jack plug of my previous phone worn out, but I could easily replace that myself. Costs? $2 plug, $10 mini screwdriver set (which is amazing and I use very often) on aliexpress. Want to replace airpod batteries? Can’t, need to buy new ones.
I still have my old ipod 60GB, the first one with color screen. You know, when they forced the U2 album down your throat. It still works, so does it’s original charging cable and wired earpods. It’s over 20 years old. The charging cable which came with my iPhone 4 lasted for 4 months. The phone itself was functionally dead with an OS update. I’m never buying apple products ever again (same as Samsung, they went the same evil Corp road). Apple doesn’t want you to buy quality, they want you to buy quantity. Don’t fall for their scams claiming the non-existing problem they solved will improve your life.
I can still connect my old ipod and my current phone, to my audiophile 25 year old stereo through a tulp-jack cable. Or to any stereo with that cable at all my friends, in any older car with an aux plug or my boombox in the park.
Also, how would you connect a vintage synthesizer to airpods? You’d need to buy a powered jack to Bluetooth device, how dumb is that.
You just made a lot of that up.
What, did I made up? That there are no more jack plugs in iPhones? Or that you can buy straps for airpods? Or that airpods are expensive?
And a $150 !! or $230 !!! sock
Best cumsock I’ve ever used
Career haters just love to shit on anyone who has a preference, and thinks they can boil down an entire group of population with a single pithy comment
You sound like a career hater. We did this ad nauseum in 2007, grow up it’s embarrassing for you
You sound like
Ah yes, the amazing argument any pseudoscientist uses to prove their wild assumptions and prejudices. The well known “looks like” argument.
I have a very nuanced opinion about Apple and it’s users. I’m just talking about the insane Apple fanbase who, while being ass-raped by Apple, continue to defend the company and buy their products. There are few companies with such a die-hard fanbase. I’m not claiming all Apple users are Apple groupies. I’m just aiming at the people who buy a monitor stand for $999 or a $0.02 microfiber cloth sold for $40 which a normal person wouldn’t do.
microfiber cloth sold for $40
The polishing cloth is $19, but don’t let that get in the way of a good story.
I’m not claiming all Apple users are Apple groupies.
Oh ok cool so you’re just delusional from comment to comment?
Get help, hate ages you real fast. You’re way too upset over this
you’re just delusional from comment to comment?
What xD
Get help, hate ages you real fast. You’re way too upset over this
Right back at ya mate
@lIlIlIlIlIlIl you sound like someone worth #blocking
Why do you even announce it? Just block and move on, no one cares
Because he has his own opinions and doesn’t jump into the anti apple hivemind?
Please block me too :)
I subscribe to TWiT cause I grew up on The Screen Savers and Call for Help and regardless of what people think of him I still like Leo Laporte, the guy is my childhood. Anywho I listen to all their podcasts and I’ll sometimes listen to their weekly Mac one and it is absolutely insane the cult like behavior with these mac fans on this show. Oh they’ll complain about the monitors and everything else but will still continue to defend it all by the end. There is one woman on the show that just rants and raves constantly about the dumb decisions Apple makes but openly admits that she’ll continue to buy their products.
At least on the Windows podcast the one dude will go ham on Microsoft weekly and I feel is pretty much just on the podcast to make fun of them. Then you have the Linux podcast where those guys just make fun of everything and it’s honestly entertaining. Plus they have one guy who is in his 80s on there who is an absolute gem.
Lifestyle brands, amiright 🤷♂️
I am more happy than ever with my GrapheneOS phone. Especially after they refused to include age verfication I recommend everyone to switch to grapheneos or any other custom ROM android
Did you install the play store
Same. GrapheneOS, no playstore
I’m dabbling switching to GrapheneOS. Apple was the lesser of (obvious) evils compared to Google, but that’s becoming less true daily.
I don’t think I can make it my primary device yet, still need to de-cloud a bunch of services, but it’s very likely my next device won’t be an iPhone.
I’m running GrapheneOS since about 2 years now and I’m more than happy.
Didn’t had any real issues with it.
Art the start Android Auto didn’t work, but it does now - although I don’t really use it.I have Google play service stuff installed, but sandboxed.
And my banking apps work just fine.Friend of mine made the switch a few months ago and haven’t heard of any complaints either.
Can highly recommend it :-)
I’d use Android Auto + Sandboxed Google Play more if Android Auto allowed NewPipe, OsmAnd and other FOSS apps to be added to the dashboard.
Have you tried going to developer options and allowing unknown sources? That’s how I get metrolist and other apps in Android Auto
I somehow also get a lower resolution Google maps, when using Google Auto.
That was the reason I don’t really use it.For music and stuff, I just use Bluetooth
But good luck having Google add something as NewPipe to be allowed with Android Auto ;-)
There is actually a working YouTube client for android auto, but you have to “sideload” it
That whole site just screams scam
Ah, cool, didn’t know about that
Thank you very much! :-)
My current phone is old and just recently my bank app stopped working because the phones android version is too far behind. Is there any way to load Graphene OS on an android phone, and would it maybe help me get around having to use the website for my banking now?
If it’s not a Pixel, it’s currently not possible. If you don’t need the security features of GrapheneOS, you could look into LineageOS on a wider range of supported devices.
Currently GrapheneOS is only supporting Pixel phones - and not sure about the oldest ones, that get supported
But here is their FAQ with the current list of supported devices:
https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices
I’m mainly waiting for them to add banking apps. My bank is a small local credit union so it might be a while.
I’m using my banking apps (business and private) without issues
It’s not about GrapheneOS adding those apps, it’s about the bank allowing their apps to run on that Android device/version.
(Or someone correct me here, but that also makes more sense to me, than a whitelist on GrapheneOS side)
What about hotel keycard apps?
We use them when traveling because SO hates talking to people,lol. Or when its 3 am.
I have never used those - didn’t even know those exist
Usually I need the key card anyway to active the power in the room… Which sucks
So, can’t say anything about that, but it’s just usual Android, so I don’t see much issues here.
Banking apps are usually just more strict with which system they support, so that was my primary worryEdit: but as I don’t really know about those hotel keys apps, does this mean I have to install an app per hotel (chain), which probably tries to grab some personal data again, or is this just some key, I can use in some FOSS app?
Great for shy people ha,
Thats crazy ive never been in a hotel with no power until you swipe.
At least in Europe, there is often a slot in which you need to put in the key card the hotel provided (or often any card, because it’s just a switch and doesn’t check the card), so you don’t waste energy, while you’re not in the room
Said slot for the card is just at the wall after you open the door. So you usually have power, before you’re even really inside, because you just reach in and out the card in place.
It’s a bit annoying, but that’s pretty much it.As the room should be empty, when there is no card in the slot, I’m not sure how that makes it worse for shy people though o:-)
Needing to install an app and trusting my phone to be charged and functioning, when I want to enter my room, seems much more stressful for me ;-)
That’s my next move. I’m done with the mobile OS duopoly bullshit.
I’m also starting to self-host a lot of services.
The problem is graphene is entirely dependent on one arm of that duopoly though.
its nice out here! waters fine
It a process. You can decloud while on the new device and the benefits will just increase with your progress.
Why not just make it so nobody under 18 can own a smartphone. Why these fucking useless age checks.
Surveillance.
Exactly, children and teenagers are meere tools.
Me using an android as a child taught me how to use linux, command line etc. seems arbitrary to deny the phone entirely. maybe certain online services should be though
What were you using command line in Android for as a child?
as a child
So you where under 12, when you learned how to use Linux?
In general, I do agree with controls set on children, locally by the parents that is - excluding teenagers.
I first used linux with Ubuntu Hardy Heron, I was 8 or 9 years old…
the ‘macs are cool’ to ‘modifying windows to look like mac’ to ‘try linux’ pipeline was realI did move back to windows with the windows 7 ‘black’ beta I found on kickasstorrents tho.
Ah… 2008 was a much simpler time (on the internet)
I also discovered Linux when I was around 8-9, Ubuntu 10.10 was my first distro (was already 5 years out of date by then but it’s all I had), partially daily drove 14.04 2-3 years later, then went full daily some time in 2021. here I am today using a linux phone, all because “hey dad how do I make windows look like Mac”
I was obsessed with computers and machines ever since I discovered them for the first time
To be fair, having experience in OSes from childhood is certainly a life lesson to the upcoming years within teenhood and adulthood. I’m not undermining this attribute, as within a world of complexity, having any experience already puts you further than most.
This. Smart watches exist. Kids don’t need smartphones.
If you grow up one of the tiny % of kids that grow up without one, it will result in some developmental disadvantages I think. On the other hand, modern social media will impose another set of disadvantages, but fact is that social media and the internet in general are a large part of modern society, so not being able to interface with it until you’re 18 will leave you behind a learning curve.
Actual studies say that kids that use phones and laptops are actually less intelligent. I think no phones until 18 would be doable. No laptops would be hard though.
Actual studies say
The general consensus is the studies say that usage of devices impacts everyone. Let’s not cherry pick a particular minority here, just to explain that stripping their already insignificant rights is a good thing. In addition teenagers, which are not children, are dismissed here. According to studies they are more similar to adults in therms of decision making capabilities - dismissing that is ageism.
I think no phones until 18 would be doable
This is essentially the same speak as the laws trying to ban privacy for all. First of all where is the consent? Also, what is the sense of punishing the minority for being who they are, stripping their rights, if the perpetrators are still unharmed? In essence, phone and laptop usage wouldn’t be so bad for anyone (not just kids or teenagers), if we focused on the actual problems not turn to discrimination.
Someone who didn’t touch a phone until 18 is going to be so susceptible to scams, catfishes, propaganda, digital manipulation, etc, that I definitely think it is a dangerous nuclear option. Controlled, monitored by good parents, layered introduction is definitely better in my opinion.
No idea why would they be more susceptible to scams. You think they would be more gullible? Or that they would be so confused about the ability to talk over phone? Smartphones for kids are security devices that let them communicate with parents so you would have to replace them with something, either dumbphones or smartwatches. Both would let them communicate with people over phone so it’s not like at 18 they would be exposed to something completely new.
Still, laptops would be more complicated because how do you ban those? A lot of grooming and child abuse happens through Roblox. How would you solve it without some sort of age verification? I think we either have to accept that kids will be exposed to those things or do what Chat Control 2.0 is proposing and impose age verification in high risk platforms. Since I don’t have kids I’m fine with just accepting the risk…
Please stop trying to justify fascist laws. Ageism is still discrimination. And like people, without prior experience it is quite logical they will be susceptible. This of course applies to anyone any age.
The only problem here is the predatory system that is designed to exploit people. The victims are not the predators so justifying how their rights should be stripped based on an arbitrary number makes this whole argument insignificant.
Like other types of discrimination: racism, sexism, there are other ways than to introduce more social segmentation which always leads to fascism.
This doesn’t make any sens. They would be susceptible without what experience? With scammers? You think children learn about scammers by interacting with them? I remember when I got my first “Nigerian prince” scam email. I was maybe 16 and I had no idea what it was. No one knew back them. What previous experience would help me deal with it? I’m sure being older would help but I’m not sure if someone trying to scam me when I was even younger would. There would just be higher change of me falling for it.
Also, the system is not predatory, there are simply predators in the system. The age verification laws are like bad tasting batteries and child proof bottles. Parents should make sure their kids don’t have access to batteries or pills but since a lot of them don’t care the government has to step in and put some protections in place. You can’t simply ban pedophiles from roblox and you can’t trust parents to oversee what their kids are doing online so politicians come up with some safety measures. Unfortunately all solutions are huge pain in the ass for everyone else.
Saying that age is just an ‘arbitrary number’ is delusional. We don’t let kids buy cigarettes, alcohol, drive or vote. The concept that kids can’t be trusted to make informed decisions is well established in every society in the world. Calling it ‘ageism’ is silly.
Rhetorical questions aside. Let’s not counteract a dystopia with another dystopa here.
iPhone users 🚶♂️➡️ switching to android
Android users 🚶♂️switching to iPhone
Android users 🚶♂️switching to
iPhoneGrapheneOSSwitching to iPhone would just be objectively worse in literally every way
I switched to iPhone after being on android since kitkat. Worst decision I made. Basic functions of the device don’t work/crash out. There’s seemingly no global ‘back’. Each app can dictate how back works. So I’ve found myself having to remember which apps use the swipe back feature and which don’t. They brought in the ai autocorrect stuff which completely changes words that I type. The glass ui stuff is horrific. Some text is unreadable due to the transparency effect.
Just terrible times all around. Looking to go to Graphene on my previous pixel phone next…
I had to spend a lot of time interacting with someone else’s iPhone recently while traveling, and the experience was shocking. Can’t believe how bad Apple has gotten.
EDIT: LOL at the downvotes, enjoy your overpriced privacy nightmare that lacks basic, standard features or usability. It was extremely clear that the entire UX was shamelessly designed to limit you from doing anything that does not lock you in further to the Apple ecosystem
They always have been this bad, if anything they’ve gotten (slightly) better over the years.
I’ve never had an iPhone, but I had a gen 2 or maybe gen 3 iPod touch way back in the day. I definitely jailbroke mine, so maybe that has skewed my memory of its usability, but it was not bad like trying to use an iPhone today.
Yeah, jailbreak doesn’t count.
You picked a bad time to switch. Arguably this is there worst version ever.
I don’t think you understand what objectively means.
No, I do, and I’m objectively correct in my use of it.
Terrible bait
