Retribution for what? Not immediately kowtowing to the wounded narcissist?
Retribution for what?
Fighting back.
Not immediately kowtowing to the wounded narcissist?
Practically since Reagan, it has been crazy to see how many times the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has done exactly that. The Ayatollah worked with Rumsfeld. He worked with Bush. He worked with Obama. He worked with Trump the first time. He worked with Biden. It’s amazing how many times Iranian leadership could be bought off with the promise of sanctions relief or was willing to turn the other check in the face of a political assassination or a stuxnet computer virus or a frigate seizure.
Whipped dogs rolled over less frequently than the Iranian government, until we straight up started putting bullets into the heads of their senior leadership. Now the only people left to run the country are the real, actual, not-fucking-around revolutionary diehards.
Yep, it’s just baffling how this cat that we backed further and further into the corner started acting out. Who could’ve seen that coming?
Yup, that’s exactly it.
Literally doing the classic narcissist “look what you made me do!”
So genocide? You want to start a genocide? I mean at this point you could just say that and still remain President. I’m sure Mike Johnson already has an excuse locked and loaded.
I feel like there needs to be a word for intentionally killing mass numbers of civilians that captures the gravity of the crime, without resorting to using the word genocide. Genocide should be reserved for actual attempts to remove certain genetic lines from the gene pool, which includes going after the diaspora, the way the Nazis did with Jews in WW2.
If someone rounded you, your family and all your extended family up and put you in captivity. Sterilized you but otherwise took care of everyone feeding and even providing them medical access when needed. Even without murdering a single person that’s genocide.
Cultural genocide which is just as serious. Is something that the Chinese government is heavily invested in with their one China policy. Purposely targeting any group with the goal of its elimination whether it’s the Jews the Muslims the First Nations peoples, the blacks the Indians, Israel’s genocide of Palestinians that has been going for more than a half a century. It doesn’t matter how large the group is if you target them or their cultures with the intent of eliminating them that is genocide. Murder is not required.
Exactly. The word is getting used interchangeably with mass murder now, which isn’t correct. I think the reason for this is that the word genocide has a nastier connotation than any of the alternatives, and people want to use the most viscerally impactful word they can to attack the mass murderers.
There is unfortunately a lot of overlap. When it comes to genocide, groups tend to be rather large. Even a bit of a mass. And most don’t have the time, patience or resources to terminate them without murder. So it is understandable.
When it comes to Trump and American conservatives. They are genocidal. If you’re a Democrat they want to target and eliminate you. Even if they don’t murder you. Gay? They want you gone. Trans? Ditto. Black? Ahyup. Muslim? You betcha. Jew that isn’t financing or enabling them? Get to safety.
What trump is doing in Iran might technically not be genocide, yet. But we do have some good words for it. War crimes.
What you mention with the way the Trump administration treats minorities, attempting to shunt them out of society without directly killing them for the most part, is another category that maybe needs a more appropriately visceral word so as not to be lumped in with the more literal genocide described in your previous comment.
Just because something isn’t genocide doesn’t mean it isn’t a horrible crime. It doesn’t even mean it’s not as bad as genocide. But we don’t have other words that sound as bad, so we use the wrong word and muddy the issues.
Shunting or excluding is a fairly sanitizing term. If you want to exclude/eliminate people from a society they depend on to survive. Simply based on who they are. Even if you ignorantly never think about that or the logistics of it. Just wanting them gone. It’s effectively genocide all the same.
Bigotry is having prejudiced thoughts against a group as an individual. Genocide is when you act on those thoughts as a society.
I disagree with this. Redefining genocide as “acting on bigoted thoughts as a society” is a redefinition of the word. It’s also very broad, to the point of almost meaninglessness.
Obviously, words only mean anything to the extent that use them, so genocide may come to mean exactly what you describe. But when that comes to pass, the word genocide will necessarily have lost its bite, which will ironically defeat the purpose of its redefinition.
Genocide should be reserved for actual attempts to remove certain genetic lines from the gene pool, which includes going after the diaspora, the way the Nazis did with Jews in WW2.
So what was the real death toll for the Nazi Jewish genocide? Because while some Jewish groups have distinct genetic lines, many don’t. And Jewish people who were simply ethnic Germans also got sent to the camps. Do they not get counted as part of the Holocaust, as they were only targeted for their religion, not their genetics?
In practice, because human beings tend to marry and have kids at much higher rates within their religious and cultural groups than without, a genocide against a religious group is indistinguishable from a genocide against a genetic lineage. Also, your definition allows for a lot of genocide apologia. Those who want to downplay a genocide can simply say that an ethnic group was merely targeted for some action among that ethnic group. “They weren’t killed for their race. We just made it a capital offense to listen to the music most commonly listened to by members of that race. They were killed for their musical taste, not their race. So it’s not a genocide.”
The original comment we are threaded under is claiming that the Trump administration, by committing the clear war crime of targeting civilian infrastructure in Iran, would also be committing genocide. Do you agree with this assessment? Do we need to lump all evil acts under the definition of genocide or risk being guilty of “apologia”?
You want to start a genocide?
We’ve been sponsoring or engaged in genocide in the Middle East since the Nakba of '48. Trump’s just doing it badly.
He’s not aware of it.
War crimes as retribution for what exactly?
for not selling their children to warm Trump’s bed. and for the oil.
I have an idea:
Why don’t they tell him he won the Peace Prize but has to pick it up in person (ID is required to pick up peace prizes)?
Tell him it’s at The Hague.
Then when he gets there slap the cuffs on.
But that might upset the American government! clutches pearls
So, murder MORE children. Got it.
If you can’t fuck them, kill them. I guess.
Oh cool. Terrorism.
President of peace my ass
If he did that we wouldn’t have an economy because they’d destroy all the fossil fuel infrastructure in the Middle East.
It’s almost like none of this is actually all that well thought out and he’s just running his mouth.
He’s just handling things like he always does. Threats and bullying, but that doesn’t work in war, and he doesn’t realize they hold the cards here.
That’s already in progress.
This is like the 4th promise of destruction.
I pulled that number out my ass but you get the idea
That’s okay. Trumy pulls all his stats out of his, and sometimes it comes out on its own in the middle of a press conference on live TV.
That is weird I thought we already won the war and Iran was giving big expensive gifts to Trump? Does this mean Trump was lying?!?!?! I am very shocked is something I would say if I recently had awoken from a coma I had been in since 2014.
The military industrial complex is become a personal pot for one man’s revenge piss.
It has been for a long time - see George W Bush going after his daddy’s enemies. That dumb cunt said as much during a press conference. He didn’t like Iraq because his daddy didn’t like them. Gave up huge national treasure and lives to go into Iraq for non-existent “wmds”. The US/Israel are a global problem and should be dealt with through a global response and boycott.
If only it were that simple.
Another week, another round of empty threats. What a dumbass.
Alternate headline: “Fat, Old Turd Threatens To Send Toadies To Do Genocide For Him While He Gobbles Big Macs”.
Brilliant idea, Donald.
Because your decision to disrupt global energy markets hasn’t already caused enough problems. Let’s go ahead and make it worse.
President Donald Trump threatened to destroy all of Iran’s power plants, oil wells, and desalinization plants
Most likely Iran has a secondary strike capability. Israel and GCC also have desal plants, you know.
