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This seems like a pretty big deal, why am I only now finding out about this
Probably because all the horrible shit trump does takes up all the space.
I caught it through NPR maybe a couple weeks before it happened, and some science YouTubers were hype about it, but other than that I caught very little coverage. Not a lot mentioned on here that I saw til the day of or the day before. Not that it wasn’t talked about here before that, but just what I noticed.
most elaborate April fools prank this year
If they can fake the moon landing they can fake a launch.
If they can fake launch, can they fake dienner, too?
I don’t know what that is but I believe in them.
Bearing in mind that explaining jokes ruins them, “launch” can be pretend-read as a mispelling of “lunch”, so I mispelled “dinner” to make a stupid joke.
This is a terrible joke, and I love it.
You have terrible taste. :)
I don’t know you, but if you’re anything like my dog, you must think I’m awesome! Which I appreciate, but I question your judgement.
if you can fake a wrench, you can fake a ball!
They tricked the Astronauts into thinking they are going to the moon, when in reality they are aiming for Jupiter. Good luck nerds!
I was honestly considering that, even though it would have been strange for AP. I opened the article and the latest update was about some toilet issue
America, fast going backwards, has today reached
19691968, assuming that this mission succeeds.(Edit: this is not even a moon landing so more Apolo 8 than Apolo 11).
A truly pointless waste of money. This is what we did with all the cancer research money cut from NIH.
While Whitey’s on the moon.
Terrible take. A lot of what we know in science is due to NASA research. NASA is <0.5% of the federal budget. There are plenty of egregious things we are wasting money on to be upset about - this is not one of them.
And a lot of the NASA science budget was cut because it was too boring for the toddler administration who want to play with their flashy toys.
the budget was moved over to SpaceX on the lie of private sector efficiency. But to the credit of SpaceX, they did blow up more rockets than the inefficient NASA ever did.
Not to mention the R&D that Nasa does provides a massive return on investment
40 years ago.
NASA is <0.5% of the federal budget
that’s <0.5% more than cancer research.
A lot of what we know in science is due to NASA research
Someone not in STEM would say this. NASA has some important projects, this is not one of them.
Sending up this rocket accomplishes NOTHING. This is an idiot project based on moon colony fantasy and a way to shovel more tax $ to Elon Musk and SpaceX while people clap and holler like idiots.
This poem from 1970 illustrates exactly how far the US has progressed in 55 years:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the Moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey’s on the Moon)
I can’t pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey’s on the Moon)
Ten years from now I’ll be paying still.
(while Whitey’s on the Moon)
Except we can update 10 years to 20 years.
Someone not in STEM would say this
So you then? Because anyone who has to work with grants to fund their research knows this isn’t how this works at all. Lmao go back to Reddit.
While Whitey’s on the moon
At least the crew for this mission includes a black guy and a woman, unlike the 24 white dudes who crewed the Apollo missions.
They go in search of human rights
If I’ve learned anything from realistic space fiction, it’s that they won’t find any up there.
we can also just look at who are currently the faces of the private space race, and their beliefs and how they run their companies
I have now seen 2 moon launches live. Will I live to see them actually set foot back on the moon again. Who knows.
Only if you have a really good telescope
I Fuckin hope so Louie.
They went to hide the Epstein files on the far side of the Moon.
Oh what’s next, will Spain send three wooden boats to the New World, take a few pictures, and come back?
Moon spices must flow
Greetings Moon Men! We mean you no harm. We simply come in search of delicious herbs and spices. And to help you run your own longstanding society, about which we clearly know best. Cough, cough. Sorry, we are a bit under the weather with some Earth pathogens - you ARE immune, are you not?
“If I told you once, Chris, I told you a thousand times: slaves go in the other direction.”
SLS has gotten a lot of well-deserved hate for being an expendable money pit. All that aside, damn, it lifted off with humans in it and off to the moon! There’s no other currently available rocket that can do that, including Starship.
Very often, I was like “I don’t think I need to watch this shuttle launch, they might have to scrub it” and then they’d actually launch and I was was like “damn, I should have watched that shuttle launch”.
So I was like “naaah, I don’t think I need to watch this launch, they might scrub it” and now it looks like they’ve launched and I was like “shit, I fell for that again, I’m really stupid”
The shuttle is Lucy holding the football and you live in a Charlie Brown world. ✌
I watched the live stream of the launch. You never know what happens until the rocket has reached space. From significant past launches was the launch of JWST, that was truly nerve racking and exciting, although no people were on the board.
Hopefully nothing will break, and we perhaps get a moon base in this century. (we do have more urgent things to research, but space research tends to produce more eye-opening and unexpected results.)
I can’t feel excited about this This feels like part of a new US expansionist agenda.
God you people are insufferable
Good. Fuck off.
Imperialism is wrong. Expansionism is perfectly fine. There’s nothing wrong with a nation or people improving their standard of living by gathering more resources and increasing their capabilities. It’s only wrong when that expansion is at the cost of other human beings or the environment.
I’m all in favor of space expansion. Maybe some day we can move our most polluting industries off the Earth’s surface. Hell, my dream would be a world where most people don’t even live on the planet itself. You want to live a big resource intensive life, the equivalent of modern suburban living? Do it in space. Want to do industrial agriculture? Do it in space. Want to run a giant factory? Do it in space. If you want to live on Earth, you have to abide by strict resource utilization and environmental impact rules. Everything else goes to space. The Earth becomes one big nature preserve with a few dense cities and organic farms scattered about.
Sir, this is Lemmy. All we are allowed to do here is
complaincritiqueI’ve said this in the past, the earth is the only place with life we actually know of. We can speculate about life elsewhere but earth is the only confirmed source of life we should do everything to preserve life on earth and the natural forces that govern it.
But this ain’t that. This lands, to me, more in the “we’re staking a claim to the moon and these are the first steps in that process”
I hope I’m wrong but either way I can’t get excited about this atm.
Same, I just read it like: Somewhere under some fascist ultra right regime they achieved something. Can’t really get hyped about nazis doing cool stuff, because they do it for nazi reasons.
Oh look kim yong un built a park. Putin openend a new school for gymnasts. Trump built golf resort on the moon. Yawn 🥱
The current administration lacks any ability to build, or latch onto anything in that vein long term. Most they could do is drop a tesla on the moon advertising a new grift.
In 1969, the cold war filled the hearts of the world with dread. Today, we live in times that echo this sentiment.
The launch of 1969 was made with the hope of a better future, and though we cocked it up a drainpipe the first time, maybe we’ll take the right path and echo the sentiment “for all mankind”.
This launch included a bunch of “American superiority” drivel, and was done on a rocket that is unsustainable and uses leftover parts from the last millennium.
I wish they’d gone with “for all mankind” — instead they went with “America America” even though one of the mission specialists is Canadian and the module was made in cooperation with the ESA.
Yeah I kinda cringed on that “god bless america” speech before the launch. Isn’t there 2 Canadians on board and a big part of the Orion was made/designed by ESA? All they got “and our partners around the world” in that speech.
I’m happy that “we” are going back there but this propaganda sillyness is disappointing. I know its always been a part of governments doing space projects, after all I think the only reason “we” are going back there is because the Chinese are going back there. The disappointing thing is that when I was a kid I really thought we would be over ourselves by now, but turns out that seems to be impossible and we are just going back to throwing rocks at each others. Plaaargh.
Anyway. Cool launch, that thing jumped off the pad as if someone kicked it in the nuts. Impressive stuff.
It could be worse. It could be Trump claiming all the glory for himself and jinxing it to miserably fail like everything else that orange pedophile clown touches.
Jesus, the shudder this comment just elicited gave me a crick in my neck… Someone distract the mango before he gets the astronauts killed…
that is a terrible insult and you should be ashamed of yourself! Mangos have never done anything to deserve being compared to our pedophile in chief
I mean, how exactly do you create a “sustainable” rocket? Genuinely curious, as the sheer amount of energy it takes to escape the earth’s gravity well would render this an almost impossible feat.
Sustainable rocket program.
Like SpaceX does it.
The current launch used supplies and technology that can no longer be produced, is single use, and has enough potential points of failure that it’s taken them months beyond the original launch date to achieve conditions for a reliable launch.
At least Isaacman has them on a path to achieve something repeatable in the future.
SpaceX’s only current launch capability is to LEO and it took them 20 years to make it ‘sustainable’. This rocket is going to the moon today.
Falcon Heavy is quite a capable rocket, with about 60% of the SLS’s payload capacity to LEO when the side boosters are reused (although it’s almost never used for LEO, since no one actually needs that large of a payload there…).
New Glenn can reuse it’s whole first stage, but currently has only 47% of the SLS’s payload capacity to LEO. (with plans for a larger variant)
Starship… has been kind of a mess. At least with how their timeline has compared to their goals. They have demonstrated several successful launches, but with the reliability of their past few, I doubt anyone will trust them anytime soon.
China seems extremely close to having a partially reusable heavy lift rocket, they have said that they’ll test it in the first half of this year (LEO payload a little bit higher than Falcon Heavy, but they plan to go to the moon with something very similar). India has some looser long-term plans.
As a spaceflight nerd, I was thinking today about why I (and everyone else) don’t care that much about the Artemis launch. I think it’s largely because it’s not demonstrating anything new; they already did basically the same mission but without the people in it, and even more advanced missions with people in them were done in the 1960s. The rocket itself though isn’t helping, the only things it has going for it compared to other modern rockets are that it’s large and probably reliable. The technology is basically just re-used space shuttle parts, there’s nothing that seems particularly innovative, and reusing old technology hasn’t prevented it from being extremely expensive compared to basically everything else (~20x the cost of New Glenn, Falcon Heavy, or Starship per launch…). It’s also worse for the environment in basically every way (expendable, and has solid fuel boosters).
I kind of agree with what some other people have been saying about NASA for a while now. They should probably just stick to the satellites, rovers, and technology tests, making their own launch vehicle is not really helping anyone. The usefulness of being a government funded thing is that they can do the type of science to help humanity that doesn’t turn a profit. They don’t really need their own launch vehicle to do their science, and the vehicle itself is so conservative that I’m sure they aren’t really learning anything from it. If they were actually capable of producing something economical and better than the corporations then it wouldn’t be a problem, but that will never happen with Congress pushing rocket designs that “seem like they would be cheaper” and forcing NASA to route all work through insanely inefficient military contractors.
Your thoughts seem like they make sense in the current system, and it kinda does, I see where’s you’re coming from. But what you’re basically saying is “privatize spaceflight and let open scientific research and the progress of humanity be dependent on the whims of billionaires”.
Obviously, with all the problems the US government has, this thought of yours might even be kinda good in this current situation. But if you actually go to implement it, you’re doing a really bad thing for the far future of spaceflight. What should actually happen is that the US government should be changed to let NASA be effective and efficient without dumb political constraints.
And SpaceX and other private actors should only be allowed to continue what they’re doing if they share their technology/expertise with NASA.
That would have the same good effect as what you propose, just without this shitty system staying like it is.
Starship has been a mess because they’re constantly changing things and experimenting. They got v1 working then moved to v2 which had some issues, they get v2 working and they immediately move to v3. There are so many changes in v3 I imagine its going to have its own teething problems as well.
Until they decide they are happy with something and commit to that as a launch vehicle and test other variations separately from their launch version, its probably going to keep happening and keep people wary of wanting to use it.
Edit: they’re already talking about making changes so it can do 200t to orbit. But if they just get v3 working then switch to that, it’ll be the same problem all over again.
Edit: working excluding rentry heat shield anyway, they haven’t proven they can make starship reusable yet.
Yeah, just the 2 identical failures on Starship V2 I think destroyed a lot of trust
and afaik they still haven’t had a reentry that hasn’t seemed at least somewhat like a miraculous survival… I know they were testing out different types of heatshield tiles on the last launch though which was where a lot of the weirdness was from
What I was referring to though was the very… optimistic timelines they’ve had in the past. HLS was supposed to be ready last year.
If SpaceX realllllllly wanted to, Falcon Heavy could likely pull off a lunar return trip like this (edit: with modifications), but ya, SpaceX designed their existing rockets around reusability in LEO.
When you don’t have to think about reusability, it’s a lot easier to do things, as so many problems become a lot simpler and weight savings are substantial.
Everything you say is correct, and it’s great that the mission is actually in progress.
But that is neither here nor there with the point I was making.
I’m just glad that things have the potential to turn around at NASA now. I’d love to see them back at the forefront of space exploration and technology.
SpaceX’s “sustainable” rocket program is mostly used to litter in low earth orbit, though.
Indeed… the program is sustainable at the expense of the environment.
But it’s a step up from not sustainable at all.
I really really hope the moon program gets beyond both those issues (figuratively and literally).
I’ll take a delayed success over a rushed failure every day of the week
Define “sustainable rocket”. There are greener fuels, like hydrogen peroxide, but I don’t think they give enough push to get to orbit.
But if you’re willing to drop the “rocket” part, you can remove the propellant entirely, and use a railgun or spinlaunch system. (Strictly speaking you’ll still need some kind of propellant for corrections and orbital maneuvering, but you’re not burning a fuckton of propellant just to beat gravity.)
There is also the question of the reusability of the rocket itself, but SpaceX and others have fairly well proven that by now.
railgun or spinlaunch system.
Not for manned launches though. Unless the goal is to send 280kg of meat paste to orbit.
hydrogen peroxide
The fuel is the least concern. They’re using H2+O2, which burns to water and can be completely created by using the excess solar energy during peak times of the day. The costly/unsustainable thing is the huge rocket that is destroyed each launch and must be completely rebuilt from scratch each time.
No one but SpaceX has proven they can do it so far, Blue Origin has only landed one, but hasn’t reused it yet. They’re close, but not quite there yet.
Having re-usable parts is the obvious bit. But actually the worst part for the environment from a lot of rockets is the solid fuel boosters, those leave a ton of weird stuff in the atmosphere that a liquid fueled thing wouldn’t (like the Falcon Heavy, Starship, Delta 4 Heavy, New Glenn, Long March 9 and 10…)
Even Starship is going to leave a lot of CO2 behind, but they could technically make their own methane and be carbon neutral, but they aren’t as they can’t make enough of it fast enough for their plans, even if they do make some.
Interestingly apparently water vapor from rocket launches can be similarly harmful to CO2. Water vapor doesn’t usually get into the upper atmosphere, and has a hard time exiting, but still acts as a greenhouse gas.
Wow, we really cant catch a break on getting off this rock without consequences.
“Canadian” is actually an American DEI category.
Sadly, NASA has to appeal to the Trump admin for funding.
The cost of the Artemis II mission is estimated to be $4.1 billion
Each day of the Iran war is estimated to cost $2 billion.
There is plenty of money, just not the will.
And this is not just a Trump thing: all US Administrations in the last couple of decades spent many, many times more in war than space exploration - for example the Iraq War was estimated to cost in total $1100 billion, whilst the one in Afghanistan was $2300 billion, which would be a lot more money in today’s terms.
Just not going to Iraq would, directly (so, not counting indirect costs due to increased terrorist threats as result of the growth of ISIS that happenned due to Iraqi military being put in the same prisions as Islamic extremists) have financed 275 Artemis II missions and that’s without taking in account Inflation (if done back then Artemis II would’ve been cheaper)
You: complains rocket isn’t reusing enough stuff
Also you: complains rocket is reusing stuff.
Theres a difference between reusing parts and reusing technology.
You’re not wrong… that’s what happens when you reduce a situation past meaningful statements.
Soon we will be able to sing again “Whitey’s on the moon”
God speed!
(As an atheist, and just thankful despite Elon and Trump’s best efforts)
I’m glad there is diversity and Canadian representation, btw!
As an atheist
It’s ok to say God speed without clarifying religious denomination. I’m not sure many people here care.
It was a beautiful launch
I forgot I received this a few years ago from volunteering… let’s go Artemis!
Heck yeah!!!
