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People would be more excited for SpaceX missions, if it wasn’t owned by a Nazi pedophile lover.
After the 100th launch to put more junk in orbit, it not only gets boring but it’s also annoying knowing how much crap is being put into the sky.
I’d guess after the 50th or so launch to the moon that people would be less interested as well.
50? We didn’t get past 6 crewed landings the first time.
It’s true, it became mundane to people after the first couple of Apollo launches from what I’ve read. While I am genuinely interested in space exploration and colonization in the long term, I also think we have to focus on building a resilient existence on our home world, before we destroy it for ourselves.
- Plenty of people were interested in Spacex flights. People did sour after he stopped looking like iron man and started being lex luthor by opening his mouth more
- Artemis is still not as impressive/envelope pushing to joe sixpack, since it’s “just” flying around the moon again. By this time, we are expecting moon bases or other advances of technology, since you know, actually LANDING on the moon started in the late 60s. It’s been 60 years.
Even to the space crowd, SLS doesn’t really introduce anything new.
But when the Falcon 9 landed, and then the heavy’s dual landing. That was hype.
I forgot that yeah, part of the hype was the re-useable rockets and their landing, which wasn’t going new places, but was doing something new.
since you know, actually LANDING on the moon started in the late 60s. It’s been 60 years.
Yeah, but that was just to beat the soviets. After that, everyone forgot about space travel.
Also, before building bases on the moon, it would make sense to build Lunar Gateway on a LaGrange point. It could provide a transport hub to/from the surface and orbit, and to/from lunar orbit to Earth’s orbit. That way there wouldn’t be need for one vehicle that can take off and land on the moon, and travel between the Earth and moon.
There could be one class of vehicle for each phase. Another class of vehicle would handle transport from Earth’s surface to orbit. So three classes of vehicle for three total stages. It would be more efficient this way.
Ok I’m going to be that guy who sounds like a musk fanboy but rest assured I fucking hate that Nazi. That said, people don’t care about spacex launches because they have become so routine as to be boring.in a historical context there came a point where people stopped caring about airplanes because they stopped crashing. This is good. Rockets becoming reliable enough to become boring and routine is a net gain for humanity. I just wish spacex weren’t owned by that goose stepping fascist
Youngsters don’t realize that people became fucking bored with the Apollo missions after 11. Apollo 13 generated some buzz because the crew was probably going to die, but that’s it. Same thing happened with the space shuttle.
Agreed. I think people need to understand that Musk isn’t a scientist, he’s just the money. The actual people working at SpaceX are doing great stuff.
Maybe they should go work for NASA and not a fucking Nazi.
I think NASA and SpaceX might fit different personality types. Cool new tech in a bit more of a “startup” type of environment/culture/pace vs. slow-moving government work with lots of beaurocracy. Some people thrive in one and hate working in the other.
(Just a guess based on experience in “tech”. I don’t actually know what it’s like to work for either)
Well also personally I lost interest because I got sick of Elon time. I’m pretty sure by his estimate we were supposed to have megastructures by now.
It’s also worth noting that reusable rockets are interesting but if they just go up deploy satellite and then come back down that’s not very interesting compared to going to the moon.
I know SpaceX are supposed to be building a lunar lander but we’ve heard nothing about that for years now. Where is it, Artemis III is going to need it in less than a year. Have they even started construction?
I’m pretty sure by his estimate we were supposed to have megastructures by now.
This exactly. Musk has been talking ginormic shit for decades, and delivered peanuts. Destroying the USA in the process.
How good is the re-usability even going? That’s the only plus I see wrt SpaceX.
The re-useability is also mainly a marketing point. It sounds cool on paper but SpaceX only reduces the cost by 10% discount when utilizing old boosters. The usefulness of cost savings is overblown.
The usefulness … is overblown.
Ain’t that the truth for everything E Musk produces.
And it could be so great, done properly.
He’s giving electric cars and reusable rockets a bad rep actually.
I’ll preface this by saying I hate musk as much as the rest of us.
But reusable rockets have better uses than deploying satellites. If a large space station/docking station/transport hub is built in higher orbit, reusable rockets could carry cargo to/from Earth’s surface.
Slight tangent:
They can be designed better to reduce chemical fuel consumption. Like a 5-phased operation: takeoff->ramjet->scramjet to get reach hypersonic speeds in the upper atmosphere -> then only using enough rocket fuel for orbital insertion -> finally changing to ion thrusters to reach the higher levels of orbit.
Instead of just straight burning rocket fuel from surface to upper orbit, let alone to the moon and back.
Stage two could involve using solar sails to travel from the Earth’s upper-orbit transport hub to a similar hub located at a Lagrange point in lunar orbit. (This is optimized around the full moon; return voyages would be optimized around the new moon, when the earth is “downwind” from the sun and moon).
Stage three would be from lunar orbit station to lunar surface; a simple lander can handle this pretty efficiently. This eliminates the need to carry lunar landers to/from earth on every voyage.
Expansion:
Similar systems could apply for interplanetary transit (eventually), but the solar sails might only work one-way for those (returning from venus/mercury, or going out to mars/jupiter/saturn); so another solution would need to be engineered for the other leg of those journeys.
We stopped the space exploration shit on our own and I suspect the lack of interest in Artemis has less to do with Elon blowing rockets up, sending a car into space, and using it as another portal for him to be the biggest fucking government welfare grifter of all time… and more to do with the fact that a lot of us are stressed, starving, and/or worried about the near future.
The fuck does slingshotting around the moon do right now to help us? Does it bring pedophiles to justice? Does it give us hope? Nope. I was jealous that they got to leave this God forsaken burning bullshit planet for a few days.
Nothing good is happening at the moment. The bread is stale. We’ve all seen the circus shows.
I’m tired. I’m angry. I don’t give a fuck about space.
boring
Another E Musk company. (sorry, couldn’t resist)
But isn’t “going further than ever before (humaned)” a bit different from “launching another dozen or so satellites into orbit”?
I wouldn’t be into SpaceX if it were owned by the nicest capitalist on Earth. I just want one thing to be free from capitalist exploitation. Swiftly followed by everything else.
not gonna crop out that username? isn’t that an ad for Betty Bowers?
No, that’s kinda c/microblogmemes’ whole thing.
Do you like that ad?
no, I’m pointing it that it’s not one, it’s just the name of the person who said the thing
Then that make your original comment pointless, as you are calling on me to crop something that you said it’s an ad, while you know it isn’t.
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not gonna crop out that username? isn’t that an ad for Betty Bowers?
You’re literally the one calling names adverts, were the first to bring it up, and the other person didn’t say anything on the topic except in response to you.
Are you confusing OP with someone else?
beep has become notorious over in !comicstrips@lemmy.world for sleazily cropping out artist attributions, stating that they consider them to be “ads”. It led to so much uproar that a new mod came in and the community rules were overhauled.
Oooooh. Drama.
Credit artists.
Cite references.It’s the internet. Hyperlinking is foundational.
beep even uses AI to substantially alter artists’ comics, including dialogue and artistic details. It’s as if he’s sitting there saying “hey slopbot, remove the artist details” and posting whatever he gets back.
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People have been really hyped for space x, when they first landed a booster and now when they do test launches of Starship and when they caught the super heavy booster it was incredible.
People care about Artemis II because it’s crewed spaceflight to the moon. Artemis I didn’t get nearly as much attention.
Muskrat blows up 50 rockets for sport and puts air travel at risk for the lulz. SpaceX was initially interesting in that small vacuum of NASA activity, but nowhere in the same wheelhouse. All flash and no substance, like the rest of the tech bro industry.
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Falcon 9 has the best launch record of any rocket ever. Its also vastly reduced the cost of rocket launches enabling space science to become accessible to way more people.
The booster recovery is still unmatched by anyone else and starship is a work of engineering magic and is still due to be the first ever fully reusable launch system.
I’d ask you what Musk’s asshole tastes like, but I don’t want to smell your breath.
Lmao, so because Im not blindly against Space X because Musk owns it that means I’m a Musk fanboy?
Does that mean anyone that means people that like the Artemis program like you are Trump fanboys since it was his administration that created it?
Trump’s administration created NASA? That’s news to me.
If you were literate you would be able to read that I said his administration created the Artemis program.
Stop being a wetwipe
Near the moon anyway
somehow, I’m completely indifferent.
I love science, and space, put in 1000s hours in Kerbal Space Program. followed space news though all my life. but now? with all that’s going on. A genocide perpetrated by a country claiming it’s for me, the US has become a fascist hell hole, rights are eroding so fast… I genuinely don’t care about this anymore.
if it was a few years ago I would me following with exhalted breath. I would have taken time off work, and taken the kids off school to follow it, and play KSP emulating the mission. and watch space movies. and YouTube videos about the mission and spaceship… I was a massive space nerd.
Can’t care about one rocket on the moon when we are sending thousands of rollers to kill civilians
Epstein’s on the Moon, whee.
It also helps that this one didn’t explode immediately due to lazy fast-fail engineering, scattering billions of tax dollars across the landscape while a bunch of drunken tech dude-bros cheer.
Probably would’ve been cheaper, faster, and better engineered if they did though. The reason NASA doesn’t do it is PR.
I mean… If SoaceX had sent people around the moon, then I think the general public would have been interested in that.
I think it was more about the mission, not the org that made the craft.
SpaceX doesn’t even send people into space itself. They mostly just send exploding debris into the ocean.
They’re the main way of taking astronauts to the ISS.
Again you clearly are just completely ignorant on this entire topic, because Space X has the Dragon capsule, and sends regular crewed missions to the ISS.
Honestly, I didn’t know Artimus was happening. That’s how busy the news is. I saw memes about astronauts and Outlook, assumed it was the ISS, and only when I saw the pictures of the Earth from the moon was I like “Wait, what? We have humans going to the moon right now? And they’re already there? When did that happen?”
They’re living out their dreams, and doing something very rare for our species, and I wouldn’t recognize them if they were in line in front of me at the grocery store. Huh.
I think it’s *Artemis. And II, specifically. This mission was the farthest any known human has been from Earth. They’re doing several more in the Artemis line, including putting boots on the moon (2029, I think)
The space race is back.
I love the qualifier “known human” hahahaha!
I fucking hope they stop this shit. Blatant disregard for others is to much.
I think that’s just you.
I mean one (if I’m remembering correctly) went further into space than any human has been thus far, the other is an interesting technical step to normalising space flight.
It’d be very weird if people were equally excited about both.
Elon maybe a huge turd but I think the plan is to use spacex’s propulsion systems when the mission will involve landing on the moon in future.
We should nationalize space x
Does it? People used to get excited and SpaceX’s achievements and milestones too, back when rockets weren’t reusable yet. I think it has just become so routine now.
Also, there were humans on board. Also, moon.
Also, SpaceX and NASA both have teams of engineers (and some of them have worked for both).
To be clear: I’m not defending Elon here. I’m just pointing out the ridiculousness of posts like these.
Yeah, I think if Space X sent a crew to the moon then the reaction would’ve mostly been the same.
Why does this person think artemis (boeing) is a more communal mission than anything spacex does?
Probably because they went around the moon which is perceived as not for profit endeavour to further humanity, unlike SpaceX polluting space with its outrageous satellites. I’m aware that SLS is just a jobs programme, but despite that the whole premise of Artemis is a little more visionary.
No love to Elon but… SpaceX’s primary business and goal has nothing to do with starlink, which is just a fundraising venture.
The goal has always been mars, with Starship and the superheavy launcher.
If they just wanted to put up starlink, the falcon 9 system is more than capable, hence why it is the most flown space launch platform in human history, by quite a large margin.
Also Musk is to SpaceX as Henry Ford is to the modern Ford motor corporation. He’s locked out of pretty much all decisions, he’s been locked out of the engineering decisions for years, and besides him buying and then reselling access like he did in ukraine he’s not really involved.
I know Artemis has attracted people that haven’t paid attention to space flight since the 1960s, but there’s a reason the ISS is only going to use spacex capsules on the international side until it’s decommissioned; and there’s a reason why any on-moon missions are going to be pretty much just spaceX’s vehicles; at least according to all NASA plans for the next decade.
SpaceX as Henry Ford is to the modern Ford motor corporation
A nazi with political connections who keeps dropping completely unworkable tasks onto competent engineers and administrators, and also lost the company a shitton of money because he couldn’t stop disseminating nazi propaganda?
Henry ford the dead person is not doing any of that, and Elon hasn’t done that for spacex since before he came out as a nazi.
Please keep up with the world if you’re going to criticize it.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I assume it’s just because you aren’t saying “Elon bad”. What you said is accurate with the exception of the last part, because Blue Origin is also in the HLS (lunar lander) business now and there’s a decent chance theirs is ready first.
Despite the stink of Elon on SpaceX, I bet many of these same people will closely follow a Starship HLS lunar landing. It’ll still be cool.
Basically fake space fans that don’t know enough about the situation. They think hating Elon takes precedent over… literally all thought and facts; or that the billionaires behind the SLS and orion capsule are somehow better than the billionaire behind starship.
Also classic reddit group think from people that have never been banned on reddit and just joined lemmy to be different.
artemis (boeing)
Just for the clarity of the record:
- the 1st stage tank of the SLS rocket is Boeing
- the 2nd stage is ULA (a joint Boeing/Lockheed company)
- the 1st and 2nd stage engines are Aerojet Rockdyne (which is now a subsidiary of L3Harris Technologies)
- the solid rocket boosters on the side are Northrop Grumman
- the service module is Airbus Defense and Space along with Thales
- the capsule is Lockheed
So you’ve got four giant American defense contractors, and two European defense contractors owned by French, German, Spain, and Italy.
Maybe the communal part is the community of western defense contractors.
The question is why do you think spacex is an equal or greater communal effort.
Comparing accomplishments is the outcome, not the effort, therefore not the communal effort.
SpaceX, owned by nazi billionaire(s) but staffed by mostly ex-JPL engineers and people enthusiastic about getting humans to colonize space, works with NASA and multiple universities in order to advance the common goal of colonizing space;
isn’t much different from:
Boeing, Lockheed, and a half dozen defense contractors, all owned by nazi billionaires, all staffed with various engineers that have floated between public and private sector life, all working (in this exact instance) on the human colonization of space, all lead by NASA and the international science community.
If we’re comparing accomplishments, then SpaceX has done more successful launches than the entirety of NASA, by a large margin; including human space flights.
…shared excitement…? I’ve not heard a single mention of this artemis mission outside of lemmy and reddit, literally nobody cares about it
I was at a restaurant and they had the splash down in the Pacific and everyone cheered. The kids had the launch earlier on in the house. This was the first mission in decades I’ve seen this much support for.
Yeah, similar for me. A big party we were all going to was starting around the same time the splashdown was happening and a majority were stopped, watching on their phones. Groups huddled in the parking lot, buzzing conversations. I was pretty surprised by it.
I’ve heard a bit of news coverage about it.
Practically soaking I think it’s not exactly a worthwhile goal, we don’t have any particularly concrete expectations about what we are going to get out of boots on the moon that we didn’t already do. However the general public is still moved by the idea for now.
In Spain they did talk a while about it.
Every major US network was showing the return splashdown. Just cause you’re not looking where others are looking doesn’t mean it’s not there.
