Viktor Orbán has conceded in a speech to supporters, telling them: “The result of the election is clear and painful.”
I assume by “painful” he means “delightful”.
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Thank you Vance for tipping the scale.
Right?
Are these right wing politicians living in their own bubble or am I? Why would anyone want to be associated with the US administration in general and Vance in particular at this time? Who looks at this and thinks “oh, the venerable vice president of the United States endorses this guy, surely I’ll give him my vote”?
There have been about 0 good news from the US in the last year. If I were a politician I’d distance myself from that trainwreck so hard
Judging by the election results, I don’t think it’s you in the bubble.
I mean, it could be both.
Canada went through this a year ago. Our Liberal government was sinking under controversies of their own making and the right-wing Conservatives were on track for a big win. Then the Americans started blathering on with their 51st state bullshit and completely wiped out the Conservative lead, and their bootlicking leader lost his own seat in the general election.
Of course, Milhouse was simply handed a free seat elsewhere in the country so that he can continue to be a smarmy piece of three-word-slogan shit. At least O’Toole knew when he was finished.
Milhouse is still changing Trump’s nappy, doing media tours with Joe Rogan. Pierre Poilievre represents hard working Americans while over 40 of his MPs are trying to cross the floor to Carney.
He is a parasite, why even thank him.
I just hope Magyar isnt a shadow puppet. Or a massive ball that gets dropped and deflated like Starmer.
A great day for Hungary and Europe. Fingers crossed now for the coming months.
Is it possible Belarus could also follow suit?
Is it possible Belarus could also follow suit?
Belarus hasn’t had a technically democratic regime for 16 years, but a straight up dictator for 32 (there’s never been an election in the country he didn’t “win”). And it’s in an economic and defense union with Russia (integrated even closer than EU countries are with each other). That’s a whole different league.
of course he’s won them all. he’s that good.
let me finish. at cheating.
Shame. So revolution or nothing basically? Or perhaps when the leader (I forget his name…Lukchencko?) dies?
Usually when a long-time dictator dies he picked a successor. They are not always succesful at continuing the dictatorship but i don’t expect the country to suddenly return to democracy when Lukashenko dies. Would be really really nice though.
Hope things work out better moving forward for Hungary than they had been.
Congratulations to Hungary and also to Ukraine.
The REALLY good thing is that Magyar get super majority, so he can undo the undemocratic things Orban did in his attempt to stay in power.
Hopefully democratic principles will be restored in Hungary now. And Hungary can participate constructively in EU again, and receive the full benefits of being an EU member.
Wait and see. He’s centre-right and used to be in the same party.
That is normalization of the extreme right; people feel like a centre-right candidate is leftist. Social engineering at its best. Well at least he is pro EU so in your face Putin.
He was running on wealth taxes and progressive income taxes and much stronger welfare policies though. As well as term limits.
unlikely, he has many of the same policies and as mentioned is centre right, he’s not as obnoxious as Orban but only just. He was an Orban protégé for a time.
It’s not like Hungary went centre left or something.
If he claims to be pro Europe it follows that he will follow EU regulation. And that means he must reverse a lot of shit Orban did that undermines democracy.
But we will see what happens.
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YAY!
Here’s to hoping for a shift in the Hungarian Overton Window such that the new guy will in a few years be outvoted from the left.
he is the new left, thanks to normalization of extreme right
Define left. He ran on wealth taxes, no income taxes on minimal wage and reining in corporations. Not much further “left” of him, at least by policy right now as I could see.
His party is a member of the EPP. How do I define “left”? Anything to the left of the EPP would do for now.
I’m glad that Orban is out but it’s not like Hungary just elected Zohran Magyardani.
Magyardani heh.
His job is not to reform the EU, his job is to fix Hungary. For that, he needs to normalise relations with the EU, or the country is going bankrupt in months.
The party which would have been with the social democrats in the EPP has managed to erode workers rights and introduce austerity while their politicians were getting rich off of public funds.
I’ll take a renewables focused climate policy, less corporate welfare, and generally better social services funded by wealth taxes and reclaimed national wealth from the rich over saying the right things in Brussels.
At least to me, workers should matter more to the left than party colours or performative bullshit.
In all sincerity, I wish you and Hungary all the best.
The new Hungarian president is named Magyar? As in Hungarian? Who wrote this Episode?
“Hungary Peter” in Hungarian, basically. Let’s hope the Democrats find “USA John” soon.
Rejoice!
Finally some good news.
It really is amazing that the Orbman was supported both by Trump and by Putin. This is a great win for all Europeans, but of course especially for the Hungarians. Let’s hope that Peter Hungarian will be able to live up to his expectations.
I hope so too, but even if he won’t at least we had the joy of a loss for Putin and Trump.
I’m honestly surprised that the fat man cust conceded. I was convinced there would be some type of shenanigangs or at least an attempt at crying about foul play or “outside interference” by the evil EU/Ukraine/Soros…
probably harder to rig the election, or call it rigged? because they might actually investigate it.
Such great news! Hopefully a dawn of a dawn of a new era.
Let’s hope for Vučić to fall next, now that he is isolated.
how could he even get in again? they threw him out because of corruption, didn’t he?
What? Are you talking about Dodik? Vučić is still in power.
Wasn’t Vučić kicked out but only for like one election cycle and after that was voted in again?
He was part of Milošević’s government in the 90s if that’s what you mean. Other than that, his party has won every parliamentary and presidential election since 2012.
Probably Fico is who i thinking of. He resigned after a lot of protest. Vučić in Serbia is also a good candidate to go away. It’s incredible how people in Hungary, Slovakia and Serbia think Russia and China are helping them while EU contributions and single contributions from all kind of different EU countries contribute so much more to their countries than Russia or China, even together those two don’t invest in those countries compared to EU.
And a victory for proportional representation too. A small outsider party gets its full percentage representation. 2 party systems like the US and UK get bogged down with 2 bad main parties that just get worse. You can’t get past them no matter how bad they are. Real democracy is not like that. Don’t stand for half democracy.
I agree with your general vibe but it’s worth noting that this was semi-proportional.
Hungary uses Mixed-Member Majoritarian, so the constituency seats do not influence the proportional seats. Mixed-Member Proportional generally attempts to make the final seat count match the list vote as close as possible, whereas in MMM, it’s almost as if the constituency seats and list seats are for two separate-but-parallel elections.
To put this in perspective, Tisza (the winning party) got 53% of the list vote, but nearly 70% of the seats (which is even more significant because in Hungary, you need 67% of the seats in their unicameral parliament to amend the constitution). MMP would have not awarded such a large majority; they would have got about 106 seats instead of 138.
Again, big fan of proportional representation, and while Hungary’s system is technically better than what we have here in the UK (unless you’re Scottish, Welsh, Norther Irish, or a Londoner), it’s not really a good example of PR.
Sure. Interesting. My aim was to highlight the what was possible so people in FPTP countries can grasp why they need electoral change. And try to help make it possible there too.
