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Banning porn where the actors pretend that what they’re doing is almost illegal is wild. What’s next, prison time if they say that one of the participants is just over the age of consent?
Nah, I want to know when they finally ban the really vile stuff. You know, all those murders on the screen in, oh I don’t know, 70% of all fictional works?
That they seriously consider step porn as worse than murder shows that it is all about control and not about morals.
Talking about banning porn is just outrage porn for those for and against it. The point is to drive home surveillance state and most importantly drive discussion away from things that actually matter and the people in power desperately want people not to talk about or take notice. Modern liberal politics is very much an art of pretending to do something when actually doing nothing and just acting as the guarddog of even decaying society that has been politically hermetically sealed for the benefit of the top 1% funder class.
They need to have some violence in media, how else would you recruit tomorrows policemen and soldiers.
dont you mean brownosers and cannon fodder. also add in a little, degrading education standards, and funding helps.
That they seriously consider step porn as worse than murder shows that it is all about control and not about morals.
No, it shows their morals are different than yours (and mine).
Britain + Some early 20s girl shouts “I want you daddy!” to some late 20s guy = Jail!
The Coalition of the Geriatrically Sexless proclaim the following:
obviously banning fictional depictions of attempted murder
STRAIGHT to jail.
masturbation in porn to be made illegal, or jerking people off.
tackling this vile content will make our country a safer place for women
Doubt.
Generally, the effect of all the “for children” laws and parties etc is exactly the opposite.
Obviously the best thing the UK government can do to protect women is
a mass purge of the corrupt justice system that let rape cases go entirely uninvestigated for at least a decadeban stepbrother incest porn.
I never understood this whole step porn thing, but this is ridiculous lol
Yeah.
I don’t get it, it’s weird, but is it 5 years in jail weird? No.
It’s not about the actual relationship depicted. It’s that it’s forbidden. I doubt 99% of the people actually would want to bang their step-sister, or step-mother.
It cheap to make. The “story” is simple but explains why these two people live in the same house without it being incest.
It’s also really efficient, setting up the entire relationship with just the word “step-bro”. Plus, it’s taboo enough for the characters to say “we shouldn’t”, but not SO taboo that the viewer thinks they actually shouldn’t.
I think a subset of people like it, and the rest tolerate it. So, if you label every porn video as step-someone with step-other, you serve both audiences.
What I have a hard time wrapping my head around are scenarios where step-dad, step-mom, step-sis, and step-bro are all going at it in the same scene. Under what circumstances do these four people live together?
It’s easy marketing. Convenient situation, taboo, but not too taboo. The line always seems to be “but you’re my stepsister” “yeah, STEPsister, not real”. So it’s wrong, but not that wrong. The multiple people scenario is just ramping the taboo up, but not worrying about relationships after the video. Real polygamy is complicated and probably not as successful as porn depicts it. (and that’s ignoring the step situation altogether)
I say probably only because I’m sure there are some out there that work. But to have three or more people in a long-term working relationship without costs has to be rare. Just having something like a work relationship between a few people can be touchy, and that’s without feelings and sex involved.
Yeah, that just sounds like regular porn but with extra steps.
It’s also probably relatable to a significant portion of the audience. I wager a fair number of people have experienced a relationship or wanted a relationship stemming from that situation.
Through no choice of yours or theirs, suddenly you are spending a lot of time with someone. From some perspective ‘relatives’, but pratically speaking you have a stranger who is your age move in and you are both 15 to 17 and things happen.
I had a not-blood relation suddenly happen when we were both sixteen, and we ended up dating for a bit. A bit more removed than ‘siblings’, but close enough to spend a lot of time together.
I’m sure that’s partly true. In my experience, that’s just most of what’s tagged as “reality”, so any other situation with anything resembling a storyline takes digging. No wonder I couldn’t get into it.
They’re not just making it though. They’re renaming all the porn to have incest titles, whether they have anything to actually do with incest or not, it gets more clicks.
The headline makes it sound like they banned the whole step porn genre, which seemed super ridiculous to me too.
Buried in the article is says:
…possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime
You guys in the UK better burn any copies of Game of Thrones you might have around. The show wasn’t that good as to be worth the jail time.
On a side note, is the UK alright?
No, the UK is not alright. They’ve been banning a lot of stuff lately. And I mean a lot. It’s comparable to even the Deep South of the US, and that’s hardly an exaggeration. The worst part is that most of it seems to truly be a bipartisan effort.
It’s “bipartisan” because we live in capitalist dictatorships, and the fascist oligarchy have given their marching orders to the politicians they own.
@WhatAmLemmy Go eat some tofu.
Ingsoc is already here.
the Deep South of the US
You can just say US at this point lol
That’s just bollocks mate. What have we banned? Porn needs ID, yes that’s puritanical, but nothing a VPN can’t sort. We are NOTHING like the deep south.
Banning the step-sibling porn is weird AF, granted, but beyond poorly conceived and weirdly puritanical porn rules, I’d much rather have Keir in charge than that decaying, semi-literate lunatic half the US inexplicably worship.
The concept of privacy on the internet for one thing. VPNs as well, or perhaps that was only an attempt. ID verification to go to Wikipedia is an interesting idea, that, funnily enough, I can’t say that even Alabama has done.
No, the UK is not alright. They are worse off than the US, less the blowhard leadership. As of yet.
That’s just because the favored style for populists in the UK is “posh twat” rather than “loud blowhard”, making them a lot harder to spot unless you’re familiar with British (especially English) culture.
Ha ha, I see those motherfuckers, or magna carta fuckers as the case may be, how do we make the voter see it?
They are worse off than the US
No one here is building concentration camps or deporting natural born citizens lol, but keep telling yourself that.
dont forget BREXIT, they seem to be slow-walking to fix that relationship with the EU.
Absolute nonsense. I dislike our government but all the other alternatives would shift us further right. I’m not a fan of Keir, but he’s pushed back on Trump’s mad war and, in terms of policy, Labour is the UKs most liberal mainstream party.
That is what the controlled opposition tells you to throw the game to fascists. Which makes you how do I say this, I don’t want to say a tool, but kind of.
Haha, fuck off mate.
You are the one that should be fucking off with your Embrace of the controlled opposition leading us to a doomed to fail strategy fighting under people that will not win, are not trying to win, or not on our side, and they want to destroy us. How fucking stupid do you have to be to not realize that yet? Mate.
I remember reading a while ago that, because you can’t have full incest in porn, the Game of Thrones porn parody (or, at least, one of them) was LESS explicit than the show.
And no. No we’re not. I doubt many places are.
Wait… Are you implying that incest is actually banned in porn, and that’s why it’s always step-relations? I thought it was just because the majority are disgusted by incest… I don’t think actual incest is even illegal in most places…
I decided to look it up, just to be sure. Specifics vary based on where you are, but depicting anything too extreme is generally gonna be illegal. Even if it’s legal in the bedroom, it’s not necessarily legal in porn.
Heck, I’m British, and the age of consent is 16. It’s 18 in porn, though.
I mean GoT is horrible garbage, but that’s independent from this article.
Game of Thrones was awesome, the last season was garbage I will give you that.
Fucking Martin, still waiting on winds of winter, that fat fucker is going to keel over before he finishes it. He’s not even trying.
Yeah because showing kids being raped as a love story is amazing.
wtf are you on about? You cancelled game of thrones? No one told me, and I will not go along by the way, this is why everyone hates us, you.
Yeah… ask the Lannisters… and I’ll leave it at that.
Edgy!
A country with what remains of a monarchy banning any kind of incest porn is just… wow…
Irony has been institutionalized.
Just another moral panic to allow the Government to continue to lay the ground work to take away rights.
The only porn allowed in 10 years will be of people getting fucked by the government
What are you doing in my room, step-MP?
Oi bruv where’s yer wanking loicense?!
Not yer bruv, mate - I’m yer step-bruv! Fancy a shag?
What are you doing, step-bruv?!
This is against the law, y’all. :(
The role of the government is not to decide what is abhorrent and what isn’t. The role of the government is to ensure protection of human rights, provide healthcare, run schools, build infrastructure and so on.
Consenting horny adults being horny with each other and doing horny stuff to each other does not violate any human rights.
The British government can go fuck itself.
This is the sort of stupid shit you get when you vote for right wing whack-a-doos.
Sad thing, that was supposed to be the left wing party. Corbyn was an open socialist.
but they had a huge antisemitic campaign that ousted him for his support of Palestine and turned the Labor into a clone of the Tories.
Somehow, Israel is always to blame.
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the most annoying part is that Israel took all the antisemitic conspiracy theories and made them real for Zionists, then ensure all the world blames the jews. They are the leading source of modern antisemitism. like even the most deranged antisemitic concepts like blood libel was made true by organ stealing (Knesset admitted it in 2006)
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Jewish here too. and Zionism is and always has been antisemitic
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they literally helped Nazi circumvent boycotts. the end result is that zionists fled and bundists were genocided.
Zionism hurting jews isn’t an understatement.
There is no left wing, anymore.
I mean looks at Carney in Canada…
Here in the US you have AOC and Bernie both supporting Israel during an active genocide. Not really in-line with their alleged allegiances, is it?
in the UK, the greens are likely to win next elections, and they are proper left. like anti Israel left
Would be nice, I think I might be able to flee there, having Iceland be the best bet isn’t so good with how expensive it is and how little opportunity is there.
The Ministry of Justice said that possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime.
This reads like its only banned if someone also pretends to be under 18?
IDK but I thought porn depicting minors was generally banned in most countries?
don’t know if porn depicting an adult pretending to be a minor actually qualifies, but that feels like an extremely thorny topic.
Eventually a line needs to be drawn. I think that publishing porn of any sort that flirts with cp is not acceptable, step or not. Same for loli anime content or the whole doll bullshit : if it looks like a kid just don’t.
All the rest if fine as long as it’s consensual.
@a4ng3l “What I personally approve of is acceptable and should be legal. What I personally DISapprove of is NOT acceptable, and should lead to people who didn’t actually hurt anyone suffering consequences.”
Congratulations. You’re an authoritarian. Go find your nearest Deform office and sign up.
Just remember, if authoritarianism is ever outlawed, YOU’LL be the one in the barrel. Don’t complain, though: You already petitioned for that outcome.
Yeah no, my opinion is based on work I had access to in the line of internet censorship handling as someone working in an ISP. They had pretty compelling reasoning related to how this fuels the tendencies of pedo towards actually fulfilling their deviance. You can read about that online, there’s a lot of supporting evidence of such a link. Also it is such a weird hill to die on…
I would like to see the evidence, since this argument of “Watching X causes X” or “Playing videogames with X causes X” comes up again and again and is debunked every time serious research was done into it. It would be very surprising to me if this one was somehow an exception. But if there is good evidence of causation (not just correlation) then I can be surprised.
“Depicting” a minor means giving the impression of a minor.
So here in Australia I think even say hentai depicting a person viewing is likely to conclude is a minor, would be illegal.
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Where does the law stand there? No one knows.
Be even worse in a few years when the paltry votes they scrounged up with this move are long forgotten and the law continues to punish and hurt people for literally no justifiable reason.
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I’m literally saving this comment lol
Teenagers having sex is legal, sharing pictures of it is not.
Imagine you and your partner do make sexy videos but then your respective parents hook up.
The videos were made when you were not step siblings, but now you are.
This is essentially my understanding of the origin of the trope. When I was growing up, both me and every single kid I knew’s parents were already or in the process of either getting a divorce or remarrying.
So situations like Clueless and Drake & Josh were the norm, and it makes the trope all the more hilarious.
Well how could it not be? Genetically it’s just two random people, what would be the basis of making it illegal if at some point your parents hit off?
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As always, the first computers you should check when anyone tries to ban consensual porn that harms no one, are the computers of the ones proposing the ban.
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Or nothing if you are an elite!
Remember Prince of the Nonces, Randy Andy is only under investigation because of alleging leaking confidential information. Nothing about being a child rapist.
Or all the other Epstein accomplices (minus Maxwell) are getting away for their crimes.
The last time an elite pedophile faced consequences in the UK was when the IRA blew up Mountbetten
And Jimmy Savile. All the BBC knew about it and not one of them bothered to speak up until he was dead.
Last Podcast on the Left is discussing Saville right now and not only did the staff at the BBC know, but also police, reporters, mayors, government administrators and more. Everyone was completely fine with what he was doing just so long as the money and attention kept rolling in.
If you are rich and important, laws are just suggestions at best.
For everyone, get fucked.
I heard him referred to as The Loch Ness Noncer and now I can’t not call him that.
Or 8 years in a presidency.
8 years… so far.
- Homer
We’re talking about Brittain idiocy right now. Not everything needs to be about how much more idiotic the US is.
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The thing is they really don’t have grounds to ban “step” porn, but this will make their supporters think “he is going after them gross porn people” while downloading a VPN. It might have a chilling effect on porn producers, for a few minutes, but unless your porn had an actor explicitly state “I’m under 18” you are probably ok. I know this is UK based but the whole point of the law " act cool for my voters" is pretty universal.
If you read further you see this, though:
“Step-incest pornography and that which depicts performers as children is abhorrent”
So it’s not just if they pretend to be under 18. I think. I don’t know. I don’t think they know either. I think they’re trying to score cheap political points.
