“But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth, and that’s one of the things that I try to do, and it’s certainly something I would expect from the clergy, whether they’re Catholic or Protestant,” he added.

The pope and Donald Trump have exchanged barbs over the past several days, with the pope denouncing the war in Iran and Trump responding by saying Leo was “WEAK on crime” and “terrible for Foreign Policy.”

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    But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth

    Oh dear, somebody has a lot of catching up to do. Start with Council of Nicea and go from there.

    FUN FACT: Council of Nicea was formed to settle the age old debate of “should priests cut off their balls or not? On the one hand, Jesus said to do so… on the other hand, my balls.”

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        For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. ~Matthew 19:12

        Not just priests! He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Castrati and eunochs only recently fell out of favor in the past century

        Christians are surprisingly ignorant of their own history, it’s kinda funny

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      The other part was to make it a patriarchal church instead of a matriarchal one. The Virgin Mary used to be the holy figure of Christianity, but men didn’t like that.

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        Correction, used to be one of the holy figureS, there were other sects with their own favorites (like John the Baptist and many others).

        They also tossed a lot of “in between” and after testimonies (Gospel of Thomas et al I think) and more.

        BUT, the pressing issue was balls.

        Coincidentally, the word “testimony” is derived from the old custom that referred to swearing an oath on your balls (testicles).

        Lots of balls. balls balls balls

        That obsession survives to this day

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    Think of all the leaders who told the Pope to fuck off in history. Nothing but great successes. Surely we’re winning.

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      Take him into a backroom with promises of a soft couch.

      Then just fucking shoot him in the head. Lights out. No fanfare. Just gone.

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      What funny to watch (I mean, gallows humor funny) is that as Trump gets weaker, the various temptations for Crown Prince Couchfucker to coup him just grow exponentially.

      I like to imagine Trump and Vance sitting across from each other, silently weighing each other up, Trump telling himself shit like “JD owes me everything, he wouldn’t,” and Vance just looking back across at Trump like Trump’s a couch.

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      No, it’s not. He’ll flourish.

      Watch and see!

      We can’t even get rid of Ted Cruz. They stay in office until they are half-dead (see Biden, Mitch, etc.)

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      He’s banking on being POTUS for the back half of Trump’s term. Trump could keel over any day, but if he’s still alive by New Year’s we’ll almost certainly see Vance try to remove him with the 25th. Once he’s in power, he just needs to be less batshit than Trump for two years and he’ll be in a good position to win an election.

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    “Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? […] I certainly think the answer is yes."

    So, if you assume God did not like fascists in the 1940s - what makes you think he has changed his mind to now support you and your ilk, couch boy? That’s a mighty big plank to pull from that eye of yours.

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        Strongly disagree. Previous administrations, yes. Bush, certainly. But not this one. For that, corruption and self-enrichment are too rampant and poorly camouflaged (if at all), disdain for democratic institutions too blatant, preparations for an authoritarian power grab too brazenly obvious. These guys know who they are and who they serve, and they don’t even feel the need to hide it any more. The mask is off.

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    My take on this is that the Night of the Long Knives has clearly started in Trump’s inner circle and Vance (sent to no-win scenarios in Hungary and Pakistan while Trump and Rubio were bro-bonding without him) is starting to feel on thin ice.

    So he’s trying to demonstrate how far backwards he can bend over to justify anything Trump decides to crap on Truth Social.

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    Every member of this administration, past, present, and future, need to be held accountable when this is over. If we don’t do that, then the Constitution, our laws, will continue to erode when the next batch of grifters show up to push the envelope to see how far they can bend and break the rules.

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    Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated Holocaust camps and liberated those, those innocent people, you know, those who had survived the Holocaust?

    What a silly question. It’s silly because it’s based on the idea that God is a being who would pick sides in the first place. It is generally commonly thought by believers that we are all God’s children. When your children get in a fight do you pick sides and cheer for one of them to kick the other’s ass? I would hope not. I would hope that, as a parent, you would step in and try and stop the fight.

    Assuming there is a God, I would hope he/she/it would just be terribly disappointed in all the children involved for not finding a way to settle their differences peacefully.

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      It’s silly because it’s based on the idea that God is a being who would pick sides in the first place.

      If you read the Bible, you’ll find that God picked sides immediately, and has never stopped. He even has a “Chosen People”, you can’t possibly pick sides any further.

      We may all be God’s children, but remember, God is perfectly fine with murdering billions of His children, and not only that, He tortures them with Hell forever after. He can’t even let them die in peace.

      Yes, it is certainly silly, which makes it all the more horrifying

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      I feel like there’s a really great Bob Dylan song that deals with this very topic… Maybe JD Vance should listen to it?

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      The Pentagon already threatened it mafia-style.

      “In January, behind closed doors at the Pentagon, Under Secretary of War for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre — Pope Leo XIV’s then-ambassador to the United States — and delivered a lecture,” said Hale.

      “America has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world,” Colby and his associates informed the cardinal. “The Catholic Church had better take its side.”

      As the room temperature grew, Hale said he confirmed that one U.S. official “reached for a fourteenth-century weapon and invoked the Avignon Papacy, the period when the French Crown used military force to bend the bishop of Rome to its will.”

      During the period in question, there were two Popes. One in the Vatican, and one in Avignon. I’m fairly certain that if the Vatican doesn’t bend to Trump’s will, there will soon be a Church of America with it’s own Pope.

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    I wasn’t aware the Pope was a law enforcement official, or a foreign policy official. Gosh, where would we be without these little gems Trump keeps dropping?

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    So says the imbecile who quoted a Pulp Fiction as a bible verse, during a sermon that he gave, for which he has no skills or qualifications.