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I’m not a China friendly person but holy false equivalence. if you compare the damage done to the world, the US is immeasurably worse than china. I’d rather have 400 china’s in the world than the one US that we have.
US: bombing multiple countries for decades across the world
China: has not had a war since 1979
Me, very intelligent: actually these are identical!
Horrible take. Just because a country doesn’t bomb others doesn’t make it not bad. China is still a dictatorship just like the us is. edit: forgot this is .world
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Just because a country doesn’t bomb others doesn’t make it not bad.
This meme doesn’t call China bad, it calls it “imperialist.”
Right its totally fine to slaughter Uyghurs and monks, spread diseases, support terorism worldwide, fuck China
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WhAt I SaiD iS wrOnG!
What kind of argument is this? Did you get heatstroke in the desert?
Ah good old vagueposting. Fuck off, OP
I have seen videos about how they have invested in their cities and public transit and the cheap futuristic cars and rich cousine the people make in China itself. But from I understand now their education system is kind of useless with their entry test forcing people into a certain career they don’t want, so companies hire more on likeability, queer rights is horrible, women’s rights are behind and while it isn’t quite dystopian people are scared to say anything that offends the government. And everyone knows they have the most invasive privacy system, they will even use it for things like knowing automatically that you paid for a train ticket wheb you walk in so it feels like a plus as long as you’re a good citizen. The cost of living compared to wages is definitely lower there right now though, but I don’t think I would ever move to China. Honestly, almost anywhere looks better than the US in the 2020’s. I think Mexico looks better in most places. Europe looks so so much better.
People in China definitely don’t live scared to criticise the government, I’ve had plenty of Chinese exchange students and discussed openly politics with them and they have no problem doing so. In fact, people in China have a much better opinion of their system of governance than we do anywhere in the west:
Queer rights need improving but are not horrible, people are free to have a relationship with whomever they want (though older generations may not understand it and may show prejudice), and there are even well-known “gay hubs” like Chengdu, where you can find plenty of overtly gay clubs, and there’s increasing homosexual representation in media. The laws need to catch up, but the country has developed a lot faster economically than it’s realistic to change culturally, and thankfully China has no threat of a right wing party taking away the rights once they’re earned!
everyone knows they have the most invasive privacy system, they will even use it for things like knowing automatically that you paid for a train ticket wheb you walk in so it feels like a plus as long as you’re a good citizen.
You’re giving a botched description of the western media-manufactured conspiracy theory of the “social credit score”. Much in the same way that a criminal in Europe pending trial wouldn’t be allowed to board a plane, this applies to China in long distance trains, simple as that. I’m a Spaniard with a thick beard and face recognition didn’t work on me when I visited China (lmao), and it was never a problem because there are always helpful workers as an alternative.
Europe looks so so much better
Unfortunately, not most of Europe, you’re probably referring only to a few Nordic countries and possibly France or Germany, where wages are decent for highly trained workers. I’m living in Spain, and my friends with PhDs can’t afford to get into a mortgage, and everywhere in Europe there is continuous degradation of the welfare state thanks to neoliberalism imposed by the EU, and now it’s threatened even more due to far right parties rising because of the 20 years of economic decay without an end in sight + capitalist media conglomerates.
I’ve seen this picture used in some pro-China instances, I don’t think it’s a useful statistic in a slightest. It can just as well show how indoctrinated people are in China (and it in fact does by looking at a second graph, it’s comical to claim that China is a democracy)
It can just as well show how indoctrinated people are in China (and it in fact does by looking at a second graph, it’s comical to claim that China is a democracy)
Of course, the real democracies are the ones people hate. I feel so democratic here in Spain, where we get to enjoy voting once every 4 years the colour of the party that will apply neoliberal austerity policy and progress in the erosion of healthcare, education and pensions! So democratic when every 4, at most 8 years, people hate-vote their way out of the existing government coalition and move to the other side of the isle which repeats exactly the same EU-dictated policy.
I feel so democratic knowing that, if you start a leftist party, the deep state will literally fabricate false evidence of funding by Venezuela and Iran and leak it to all capitalist media to discredit you and demolish your party (read about Podemos and the Informe PISA). So democratic that the institutions do nothing about the rise of the far right in Europe at the same time! God I love our democracy.
Surely it’s the Chinese being brainwashed by their evil government consistently taking millions of people out of poverty every year, building affordable housing, producing all the photovoltaic solar panel supply of the planet and not letting themselves be bought out by oil corps.
Degradation of the welfare state. That does sound really familiar. A classic excuse politically is to say the immigrants and minorities are taking it, we have had it erode more and more so many times here. Back in the 90’s it was the (totally not black) welfare queens mooching off the child care income from her (totally not black) 4 kids she had in the inner city. Now it’s anyone from south of the border that is apparently taking it. There are countless examples of prejudice fueling keeping the poor poor here, the arguments were a lot more overt right after the civil war but eventually they just became a corporate co-opted smoke screen since they really stand to benefit more than anyone. It sounds really hard in Europe too I guess. It’s such a vicious cycle fascism and wealth inequality. Or even just scapegoats and wealth inequality. They do say polarization correlates with wealth inequality but the overton window especially in the US has shifted so far right that it’s hard to even beleive sometimes.
A classic excuse politically is to say the immigrants and minorities are taking it
In Spain the scapegoats are usually Latin American immigrants, Moroccan immigrants, Romanian immigrants and south-Sahara immigrants, together with ofc the extremely violent racism against the Roma people prevalent in all of Europe. Ofc all these people are the backbone of the economy with their hard labor.
It’s such a vicious cycle fascism and wealth inequality
It really fucking is. Europe can’t compete internationally against China’s economy and increasingly can’t maintain control over its neocolonies, so the only way to increase corporate profits is by destroying our salaries and lowering their taxes, and the capitalists pull out the far-right and fascism in response to this, as a tool to discipline us in case we get too creative with worker rights and unionization.
I honestly kind of wondered where the whole social credit score thing even came from tbh. I know US media paints such a horrible picture of China and everybody here parrots it. I think with the being afraid to speak out thing I was more talking about the media walking on eggshells as just an unwritten rule and people still feeling a little wary saying things on social media against the government. That is what I kind of heard was one of the small downsides in China after watching a video of someone who moved there 10 years ago. I have heard that Europe is a bit of a mess right now, but I honestly think the US is worse, aren’t we half the cause of it anyways? With this war, and Trumps policies, and corporations funding politics and MAGA propaganda encouraging nationalism in places getting a lot more immigrants. It probably sounds really America-centric but I talked to somebody else that said we had a huge influence so I’m not really sure how much of this is our country’s fault abroad.
If you’re interested on a video about how the social credit thing actually works, explained by a Chinese, you can watch this one, it’s clear and concise enough.
I think with the being afraid to speak out thing I was more talking about the media walking on eggshells as just an unwritten rule
Hmmm, I think there’s a part of truth to this. There is a more active state censorship in China than there is in, say, Europe, though I don’t think it takes a punitive form except in extreme cases. In Europe it’s private sector censorship: a journalist cannot write explicitly socialist opinions in a newspaper at risk of being fired, and the few journals that allow for this are fringe, heavily criticized, and don’t receive any funding (most media here are unprofitable by themselves and survive by cash infusions from other parts of the private sector with vested interests in controlling the public narrative). On the other hand, the censorship in China makes it so that there aren’t big crowds of far-right reactionary conspiracy theorists: imagine how many thousands and thousands of lives saved by the lack of vaccine denialists, facemask deniers, or fake natural cancer therapies.
I mean, the US is worse for a fact right now with Trump, we still have a measure of social welfare, but it’s only been disintegrating and never so much as recovering a bit in the entirety of my adult life, and this applies to all of Europe. In Spain, a leftist party called Podemos recently became hugely popular trying to change this, and got an orchestrated smear campaign consisting of manufactured false evidence of funding by Iran and Venezuela which was fabricated by a reactionary corps within the national police under direction of the minister of interior affairs, and leaked to all capitalist media (we have two big media groups in Spanish Television, and one of them belongs to far-right Italian politician and pedophile Silvio Berlusconi, rest in piss fucker). This all but destroyed the party in a matter of a few years.
Something similar happened in Greece, they elected a leftist party called Syriza to government and they won the elections under the premise of reverting neoliberal policy. The EU intervened through the infamous “Troika” and told Greece that if it stopped cutting the budgets of healthcare and education it would be kicked out of the EU and the Euro. It’s truly sad and disgusting.
The video’s editing was a little obnoxious, but I think I get the idea of how it got twisted and overblown.
People in China definitely don’t live scared to criticise the government
That depends on the person
Queer rights need improving but are not horrible
That’s true. There’s a lot of discrimination but I wouldn’t say that the government is to blame here. There’s this internet meme that goes “if you dont do xxx you are gay” and gay here supposed to be a negative word. This isn’t just some homophobic people’s thing, it’s young people’s common language that’s pretty widespread.
You’re giving a botched description of the western media-manufactured conspiracy theory of the “social credit score”
Social credit scores don’t exist, but the privacy system is invasive. Literally all social medias and games are required to have ID verification. The first thing that appears after you have logged to most (if not all) online mobile app (for games, even offline ones) available legally through ways that the government expects (like app stores) is an ID verification popup requiring real name and ID. For games they are legally required to limit children’s game times during weekdays and all nights. It isn’t even effective as most children just input their parents’ ids. At the cost of the whole nation’s onlined, socialable people’s anonymities. Its really painful because WeChat is on the list of verification demanding apps, and people cannot live without wechat.
People in China definitely don’t live scared to criticise the government Oh yeah. Ask them to say so in front of a cop. There’s a difference between arguing about politics during lunch with your friends thinking that you’re not being surveilled, and going on the streets protesting about stuff.
Queer rights need improving but are not horrible
That’s true. There’s a lot of discrimination but I wouldn’t say that the government is to blame here. There’s this internet meme that goes “if you dont do xxx you are gay” and gay here supposed to be a negative word. This isn’t just some homophobic people’s thing, it’s young people’s common language that’s pretty widespread.
You’re giving a botched description of the western media-manufactured conspiracy theory of the “social credit score”
Social credit scores don’t exist, but the privacy system is invasive. Literally all social medias and games are required to have ID verification. The first thing that appears after you have logged to most (if not all) online mobile app (for games, even offline ones) available legally through ways that the government expects (like app stores) is an ID verification popup requiring real name and ID. For games they are legally required to limit children’s game times during weekdays and all nights. It isn’t even effective as most children just input their parents’ ids. At the cost of the whole nation’s onlined, socialable people’s anonymities. Its really painful because WeChat is on the list of verification demanding apps, and people cannot live without wechat.
People in China definitely don’t live scared to criticise the government, I’ve had plenty of Chinese exchange students and discussed openly politics with them and they have no problem doing so. In fact, people in China have a much better opinion of their system of governance than we do anywhere in the west:
I think it’s kinda a more complicated subject than anyone’s presented in this argument. There are plenty of people who are afraid of criticizing the government, but they make up a tiny minority of the actual population and are more than likely ethnic minorities.
The overwhelming majority of Chinese nationals have very positive views of their government, which makes sense considering the advances this government has made over the last 50 years.
In my experience if you have talked to exchange students who are critical of the Chinese government, they are typically from Hong Kong, or from very wealthy families who would prefer a more hands off approach when it comes to the government’s involvement in economics.
Queer rights need improving but are not horrible, people are free to have a relationship with whomever they want (though older generations may not understand it and may show prejudice)
Thats a bit of an understatement. As an Asian dude I can attest this isn’t an issue unique to China but, it’s a problem in any Asian country where Confucianism was prevalent in their history. You may be “free to have a relationship with anyone you want”, just so long as you are not loud about it. You will face discrimination in things like employment and housing, and more than likely be disowned from your family. Though the only time the government will really get involved is if you participate in activism.
and thankfully China has no threat of a right wing party taking away the rights once they’re earned!
I think this is a common misconception held by westerners, who typically associate cultural conservativism with economic liberalism. While there may not be a party representative of the economic right, that’s really detached from the cultural mores promoted by the government.
All Eastern countries are more culturally conservative than most all western nations. And the values that the west associates with leftism are not typically aligned with what a country like China views as leftist policy. In fact, I would say the current make up is more culturally conservative than they were in the late 90 and 00s when they decriminalized thing like homosexuality. They are currently going through a bit of a nationalist streak, and with that are more culturally involved with promoting ideologies like Confucianism.
While I don’t think they will recriminalize the LGBT community, their engagement with more typical leftist economic policy is no real indication of that. In fact, I think the more they utilize nationalism to promote their economic policy, the more likely they will emphasize their traditional cultural values, making it harder for lgbtq citizens to thrive within their communities.
Come to Europe. :)
I’m thinking about it :)
At least China uses the metric system, which makes them better than the US /j
The one thing that upset me watching the Artemis II mission broadcast was the constant use of imperial units.
NASA uses metric units internally. They had to intentionally translate than back into imperial units for the livestream. Please, folks. Use the better units.
Isn’t this why they wrote off two Mars missions?
You might be referring to the Mars Climate Orbiter mishap. It crashed into the atmosphere because NASA used SI units, while Lockheed Martin, who worked as a contractor, used imperial. Specifically, what fucked it up was the measurement of impulse of the thrusters (pound-force-seconds vs newton-seconds)
Is it even imperialism when they don’t use the imperial system?
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My pendulum only swings one way, towards class consciousness.
Time to listen to Asian Dub Foundation.
Fuck them both.
How? The US is literally invading Iran as we speak and China is the main country supporting Iran’s right to self defense
Yeah instead of genociding people in other countries they genocide people in their country
Source: the same national news stations that have been denying the Palestinian genocide by Isntreal for the past 3 years. They’ve literally taken off the mask, how do you still believe their propaganda?
We literally have leaked internal files of the genocide yet you’re here acting like the only “source” we have is just a couple of news stations that you don’t like.
Get your head out of your ass just for a couple of moments you disgusting fucking creature.
You are a fucking joke
“LoOk, AdRiAn ZeNz ClAiMs ItS a GeNoCiDe”
If you gave one single flying fuck about the Uyghur, you’d know that the reeducation schools closed years ago and you wouldn’t be propagating CIA propaganda for free on the internet.
But go ahead, keep disseminating CIA-fabricated lies about China while the US supports the genocide of Palestinians and literally INVADES AND BOMBS IRAN, you’re incredibly moral and leftist buddy
Holy hell you’re like a fucking creationist. How funny that you just happened to omit the next few sentences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz#CriticismThe Sky News article you shared doesn’t shed your favorite country in the best light either. Maybe try reading it next time?
But go ahead, keep disseminating CIA-fabricated lies about China while the US supports the genocide of Palestinians and literally INVADES AND BOMBS IRAN, you’re incredibly moral and leftist buddy
So because I criticize China, I suddenly am on the US’s team and can’t criticize them anymore? Is that how this works dipshit?
His “research” consists of conflating a reeducation campaign in the context of ISIS-related terrorism with genocide through mistranslation, cherrypicking and bad faith, and the argument is “the birthrates dropped so it’s genocide”. Birthrates dropped because Uyghur used to be exempt from the single-child policy (as all minority ethnicities in China) and when Xinjiang started developing at fast pace in the past decades, birthrates dropped dramatically. It takes 10 times more effort to dismantle misinformation than it takes to manufacture it. Go ahead and visit Xinjiang for yourself, you’re open to do so. Blows my mind that you’d take seriously the interpretation of a radical anticommunist and fringe evangelist on Chinese documents he can’t read himself (he doesn’t speak Chinese).
If you really think a CIA asset cannot take public documents in Chinese and misinterpret and twist them enough with the purpose of manufacturing antichinese propaganda, idk what to tell you.
Yeah, same here honestly
If you can tell me which countries China is setting up neocolonies to extract all their wealth and resources from, please let me know. Whoever made this meme, please educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative
Much like America’s more usual approach, it’s softer colonialism than what the Brits did.
The difference this time around though is the building of infrastructure. America didn’t do as much of that during its rise or prime. That said, it’s often just another way to get the nation indebted to China, it’s not like they’re building the projects for free and often enough the debt is more than the country in question’s economy can handle.
Colonialism is colonialism afterall.
This method is built on political manoeuvring behind the scenes through intelligence assets and corruption with infrastructural incentives masking debt slavery out in the open.
Here’s the list you asked for:
Angola, DRC, Zambia, Sudan, Mozambique, Gabon, Ethiopia, Venezuela, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia, Pakistan Kazakhstan, Myanmar, Iraq and Iran.
Philippines?
Hong Kong was seeking independence after the treaty that ceded it to Britain expired. China occupied the island and violently put down resistance.
Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Djibouti, Bangladesh, and Cambodia have all had valuable trade capability strong-armed away from them by China, who exploited financial instability to establish century-long leases on all maritime activity from their premiere port cities. This is in service to their “String of Pearls” geopolitical strategy to expand their naval trade and military power projection.
The Belt and Road initiative is part free economic zone, part debt-trap, as it forces low-income nations such as Tanzania, Pakistan, and the DRC into loan schemes that will take generations to repay, offering the ceding of key natural resources as a quick and easy out.
They have claimed the entire South China Sea as natural maritime territory without the consent or agreement of Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, or Taiwan. This is speculated to be a move against Taiwan, specifically. But the outcome is the same: Heightened tensions between neighbors and the claiming of sea lanes that are not theirs.
China isn’t imperialist. It seems mutual cooperation with the world, instead of the West’s desire to extract from the Global South, leaving them poor in goods (in/tangible) and services and the West rich.
Once again, neolibs cope that their empire is righteous and excellent while ignoring reality completely.
Tibet, Hong Kong, and Taiwan may not agree with that thesis.
China is literally the first trading partner of Taiwan, stop victimizing them when they have lived in peace with China for the past 50 years. As for Hong Kong and Tibet, go ahead and show us your sources for total amount of people actually not supporting the Chinese government. I’m a Spaniard, and I can tell you that the last vote in Catalonia went something like 47% against belonging to Spain, yet I don’t see you ever mentioning the Spanish imperialism on Catalonia.
and Uyghurs
Surely the BBC, the Zionist state media that lied to us for 3 years about the genocide in Palestine, couldn’t be lying to us again for geopolitical purposes concerning China!
my bad, i thought this post was on lemmy blåhaj where tankies are banned
Questioning capitalist state propaganda is something any deserving leftist, let alone anarchist should do (specified anarchist because you brought up Blahaj). You’ve literally seen what they’ve been doing with Gaza
It’s not “capitalist state propaganda”, it’s a fact proven by many independent media and the UN: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932 If you forgot, UN was rasing awareness about the Gaza genocide since forever. Imperialist authoritarian states cannot be considered socialist. In recent years Xi Jinping consistently usurps the power, builds personality cult, and destroys the opposition within the party. He’s already the longest ruling leader, and not planning to give up the power. If the US are terrible, it doesn’t make China good (even if I had to choose between these two rn, I would prefer China).
it’s a fact proven by many independent media
The media in question: BBC, US institute of sinophobia, Washington think tank for the hatred of communism, all of them based on Adrian Zenz and “anonymous interviews”. The UN has never called it a genocide actually and you’d know this if you gave a shit about Uyghur.
Xi Jinping consistently usurps the power, builds personality cult, and destroys the opposition within the party.
Again with CIA propaganda, Chinese people have a different opinion
Go ahead and make the case for that without quoting anyone who has a CIA handler. We’ll wait.
I’m sure all the slaves the CPC freed from the Lamas agree, as do the people who suffered under British Imperialism in HK. Also, Taiwanese separatists are a shrinking minority, Taiwan is part of China, everyone agrees with that, the KMT only disagree on who is the rightful government.
Try reading some news sources from outside the US/EU empire, you’ll learn a lot.
cope that their empire is righteous
it literally says “bad”
- identity economically struggling countries
- offer cheap vital infrastructure with high intrests
- country can’t pay it back
- now you own them.
US is bad, China is bad, Russia is bad, EU is mostly bad. Fuck it let’s move to the moon
country can’t pay it back
China routinely engages in debt pardons with developing States. The EU is much, much worse in this regard, the central bank of 14 African countries is literally in Paris.
Additionally, the currency in which the loans are denominated is extremely relevant. The IMF forces loans in dollars, which those countries famously can’t produce. China often engages in loans in the local currency, which the countries can literally print away.
Right they can print the money to pay their debts… What happens then? Inflation. Guess who’s waiting there willing to help with that.
Literally the entire world exploits poor countries. They don’t do anything with charitable intentions.
Right they can print the money to pay their debts… What happens then? Inflation
Sure, buddy, giving currency to China somehow generates inflation in the domestic economy. You’re literally making stuff up as you go, and you’re showing it
Same behavior, different branding… people just pick their favorite version 😅
Different behaviour though, the US is literally bombing Iran.
Good thing I’m an anarchist, I want all states to be dismantled equally ^_^
Communists want all States to be dismantled too, we just understand that this cannot be achieved while world capitalism exists.
Based
And all showers dismantled equally
Thanks for the post. I got so many tankies blocked
Why would you ever block a tankie?
They’re hilarious. You are no fun
Nah I’m here for entertainment, and seeing other people argue and arguing with people who support concentration camps is just not entertaining to me. Same as transphobes, I’m not going to waste my time with that shit
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Why do you think I don’t already? This thread wasn’t about that. I try to not even read USA politics discussions right now since it’s such a shitshow going nowhere with everyone blaming each other and not doing anything, but sadly I’d had to block half of this site to avoid it
edit// oh, and if anyone reading these gets pissed at me, just save yourself the trouble and block me lmao. In the internets it’s a valuable skill to learn to walk away
I would be very bored if I did what you do. I don’t argue about many topics (i have a favorite few), but I like to read arguments and learn from them; I also read books and news that I don’t agree with (like The Bible and Mein Kampf).
Takes all kinds, you do you. Everyone has their limitations.
Yeah, I basically do the same, I love seeing people have different opinions and arguments and all that (that’s why I read comments at all). There’s just some topics that drain me too much and a lot of the crowd isn’t even arguing honestly, so it’s not worth interacting with those. There’s nothing I gain from reading tankie propaganda than make myself feel worse, and arguing with them just allows them to spread it even more
It’s beyond me how after seeing the past years of overt Zionist propaganda denying genocide in most western media, anyone here is still willing to listen to western media on international affairs. Like, haven’t you seen them take the mask off already? How are you trusting BBC’s reporting on China?
Because they don’t teach critical thinking in any part of the western world. Capitalism abhors critical thinking in the general populace and requires an unintelligent, unquestioning populace to continue to exist.
What an absurd statement. “They don’t teach critical thinking in any part of the western world”. Are you insane?
My dude half the west believes there’s such a thing as a ‘uyghur genocide,’ half believe Israel has ever been a victim, and most still believe China is somehow a dictatorship despite that being an ancient CIA psyop.
There is no evidence a single person in the west has ever been taught critical thought, how to research claims, or that their government can lie through third parties that they’ve paid.
Just pathetic. Seek help with your xenophobic nonsense.
‘Xenophobic’ my guy a culture of ignorance deserves to be criticized.
Didn’t realize you had a monopoly on intelligence 😁
Got any other blanket statements about “the west”? Should people start making the same comments about your people?
I don’t get why you’re getting down voted.
Because people need to believe that the racist propaganda they’ve been fed is correct and that their country is still the best and most moral in the world
China isn’t as successful at imperialism as the Americans. The American ruling class is just… Too good at being evil.
Doesn’t mean that China and Russia aren’t imperialist though. They’re just unable to beat the US… For now…
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Give them a few years. The belt and road initiative is set to bring levels of exploitation and wealth extraction never before seen. China gets shit done when it wants to and understands the long game.
China and Russia are taking over in the soft imperialism department, because some billionaire moron had to kill USAID. Let’s hope their soft imperialism won’t have really bad consequences human rights-wise (though the US also had a spotty record with that).
Looking at human rights in russia… doesn’t look too good, chief, not gonna lie. At least China pretends for the media.
US imperialism has set a dictatorship in my country that lasted 21 years, killed and tortured people in the most horrible ways and led to unimaginable inflation, while Chinese imperialism here has been decreasing donkey population by buying them and making a tea that makes you more masculine supposedly.
Well, China also is actively committing a genocide against their Muslim minority and invaded Tibet
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There are 10 chinese ethnicites who are mostly sunni, and they’re alright. There are people who say daily that China is 72 hours away from collapse, and they are the same to claim this genocide, no muslim authority denounced it, the banderite organization “Victims Of Communism memorial” did, more specifically a guy called Adrian Zenz who believes God gave him that duty.
And i’m not feeling bad for China to take back a territory who has been chinese for pretty much all history and end serfdom there, in fact, nor are tibetans, that was clear on a 17 point agreement, but a little later the Dalai Lama got bribed and your narrative appeared.
Most muslim majority countries do not accuse China of genocide. The states that do make this claim are the same ones that are actively supporting an ongoing genocide against Palestinians. Who should we choose to believe?
Of course Western governments had no hesitation in denouncing genocide in China before a single body was documented. Yet, when people protested against an actual live streamed genocide, supported by these same governments, they were met with beatdowns by police and criminalization.
Even today, they will still seriously tell you that this is a genocide:
And this isn’t:
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Well, China also is actively committing a genocide against their Muslim minority
Source?
Haven’t you heard? It was silently downgraded to a cultural genocide, because there was no actual proof of genocide. Cultural genocide is not recognized by the UN, because Western colonial powers started sweating profusely when Lemkin proposed it.
guessing brazil?
