• circuitfarmer@lemmy.world
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    You know, Windows 2000 was pretty fucking rock solid. It was a beast. NT kernel but none of the fisher price theming of XP (yeah I know, you could turn that off). XP was pretty good too, tbh.

    But hoooooo boy has it been a slow, agonizing shark jump from there.

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        95b… A and C were pretty bad. Different dev team.

        98 SE wasn’t bad either.

        And XPSP2 Lite is still really nice; community project that stripped out all the stuff not explicitly “operating system” so you could choose on your own what software to run on top of it.

        I still run Lite in a VM on my M-series Mac. It runs all Windows software that isn’t locked down to Win10+ DRM.

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          Doesn’t MacOS have access to translation layers like Wine/Proton in combination with FEX? (I guess a VM would be nice for compartmentalizing things)

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            That’s a bit tricky right now actually; Rosetta 2 is being removed from the next OS, which kills all WINE/Proton support.

            Things are still a bit up in the air about the future of Intel emulation on macOS.

            Meanwhile, QEMU/UTM will continue to work just fine, and you can spin up a different Lite instance for each software configuration you want to compartmentalize.

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              This is incorrect. Apple have said Rosetta 2 support is staying around specifically for games. This has also been confirmed by Codeweavers.

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                They’ve said that some sort of support is staying around for games, but at the same time that system-wide Rosetta 2 support is being removed. The details about what that means about Intel translation for games is being clarified at WWDC this year. And what that means for WINE still hasn’t been clearly explained one way or the other.

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              Guess that’ll mean Mac gaming will become even more of a dead end then. I use a Linux Distro on an x86 laptop so the concept was just mostly curiosity. Maybe Asahi Linux on the M-series macbooks could be an option for continued support.

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                Linux gaming is pretty spectacular right now because of Proton tbh. It’s surprising that Apple hasn’t made it a priority. Not only can I run pretty much everything out of the box now, but I tend to get better performance than on Windows.

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      Did 7 have some hidden clause or something that’s not apparent to a user without forensic tools? I remember that revision being pretty swell. (Especially the enterprise branches)

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        The Home editions included hardware restrictions (a maximum of either 8 or 16 GB RAM depending on which of the two versions you got, and you couldn’t change language in any of the commercially available versions. While I can’t remember anything wrong with it, I was also like 10 when I used it and I highly suspect everyone’s memories of it are being biased by just how absolute dogshit 8 was on release.

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        Rose-tinted glasses. Anyone going back to Windows XP would likely be shocked at how broken and unintuitive it could be at times.

        7 was best. Everything after that has been unusable garbage.

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    I used to swear I’d never buy Mac because their ecosystem is so closed off.

    And vouched for MS because yea it’s a bit more rough around the edges but you have a lot more freedom and it’s a fair amount cheaper.

    Neithe of those are true anymore, MS is just as locked down and seems to cost more for the same hardware performance.

    Why would anyone buy Microsoft laptops anymore? What does it have that Mac isn’t better in?

    (other than gaming)

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      To put Linux on them, but now you have Linux laptops so,🤷🏼‍♀️

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          I’m still not convinced laptops offer a whole lot these days. I ended up selling the ‘gaming’ laptop because a several year older desktop outclassed it in every way and I just kept going back to it for the higher resolution and oled monitor.

          Then the work workstation laptop. Even though it was relatively small compared to older equivalents, it was oddly heavy and basically needed to be plugged in at all times.

          They probably come in better than that varieties but its not a car or a house, not that those have any right being as expensive as they are either.

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            Ummm what? I feel the benefits of a laptop are obvious: being able to use a computer literally anywhere, instead of the one desk your computer is attached to.

            I have 2 laptops for work that are both big and heavy, and I don’t love em, but my own personal laptop is a MacBook Air which is small, lightweight and can do anything I’d want from a portable device.

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      Can’t fix or upgrade Macs whatsoever as a layman. That alone guarantees I’ll never purchase one.

      I was a bit more interested when Asahi Linux became a thing, but that doesn’t fix Apple’s addiction to planned obsolescence.

      (Used windows laptops can just have linux installed on them for a fraction of the price as well.)

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          Didn’t Louis Rossmann make his career off showcasing all of the “amazing engineering choices” made throughout the Macbook and iPhone line?

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      Well if you’re near the purchasing decision for m365 MSFT is a lot better at lying to you, coercing you, weaponizing lock in, and extracting revenue.