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I watched the lord of the ring movies this weekend for the first time. Extended versions with my friends.
Wtf is wrong with people who name their company, possibly their life’s work, after the evil eye of the big bad evil guy?
“Are we the baddies?”
Technically, the Palantiri weren’t the evil eye of the Sauron. Sauron and Saruman did use them (and that’s why you see Sauron’s eye in one of them), but the stones themselves were basically just communication and surveillance devices. They were, themselves, fairly neutral and not made by anyone especially evil (probably Feanor - flawed but not evil). But they were used for evil purposes during the time in the LOTR trilogy.
The palantiri themselves aren’t inherently evil; Sauron was just a master of deception and used them as propaganda devices
You think batman having a hidden lair as literally the tallest building around is unrealistic until you see what modern corporations are like
That’s because this news site is owned by a multinational company, which owns several other publications. They sell advertising and not reform
No they didn’t.
Later, a person familiar with the matter told Bloomberg the Federal Aviation Administration had brought on Palantir, Thales SA, and Air Space Intelligence to compete for the SMART contract. Palantir then released a statement to investors confirming the company was contracted by the FAA to “provide a data analytics tool that will help advance the agency’s modernization objectives for aviation safety.”
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Where do you get the impression they’ve won the contract? They have another sole source contract with the FAA, but for SMART are still one of three in the running unless there is some source out there I’m missing.
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Those are two separate things, though I can see the confusion. This might help: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/palantir-faa-win-manifesto-reframe-200302412.html
Ah, I see now. Thanks for clearing this up and for the link.
What I’m hearing is, they will literally risk people dying on planes just to train AI AND would rather do that than hire/employ actual staff that will do the work. Somehow, paying their staff a liveable wage and treating them like a human being just doesn’t bode well enough for the rich people making these decisions.
This is fucking insane. I bet you that none of the places with private jets flying all these asshole c-suite execs are using AI. It’s only being forced on the public because the idiots bought into the hype and don’t know how else to make money out of it.
I wonder how many plane crashes it’ll take before this changes.
If at all.
Look at how quick we got used to school shootings and climate change and death-squad healthcare and a bunch of other awfulnesses.
We are very good at taking abuse and carrying on with it.
Aircraft accidents discourage tourism, though. Dead children is one thing, but this could affect people’s bottom line.
Tourism has been discouraged for a while, yet nothing is changing
That’s true.
All it will take is one billionaire hitting another plane.
Maybe it will happen to air force one too?
Maybe we can hire Luigi as the pilot for billionaires?
Have him fly it into Trump tower
So when, and i do mean when, this results in a crash, who will be held responsible?
Biden
Hillary with her butterymales?
Well we have already had deaths due to the current crunch (and not paying them) of us air traffic controllers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laguardia-collision-air-traffic-control-ntsb-9.7140479
And who was blamed for those? Oh yeah the traffic controllers! So when grok starts seeing how many 737s can fit in the same physical space, it will be the controllers fault. As you can imagine this will make those controllers want to quit, meaning more pressure to use shit like AI tools.
Liberals.
Fortunately the world is going to run out of aviation fluid next week so we won’t have to find out.
If it’s the ATC then it’s their fault, if it’s AI then it’s no one’s.
Obviously it’s the DEI
The remaining humans in ATC for “not having supervised the AI agents appropriately”, of course!
My mistake, you’re absolutely right – I neglected to ensure the runway was clear before scheduling that landing. Please accept my apologies for causing those deaths. I’m really glad to be working with you, it’s reassuring that you’ll always keep me honest. You’re not just an assistant traffic controller – you’re a friend.
HAL-9000 if it was made today
Now I need to write a parody of HAL’s monologue in LLMspeak
Oh man! Pilot here.
And we thought Reagan fucked up!
It’s still appropriate to blame Reagan, funnily enough.
Hi. I dont know shit about flying or the demands of personnel in a control tower (especially at a place like atl). I’m also fairly anti-AI for various reasons. But it seems to me, from ground level and with a view of the trees, that AI would be better at juggling all of the data and variables of planes in the sky, compared to a moron like me. Given that you’re a pilot, can you help me understand why that’s not the case?
There’s an IMMENSE amount of human interaction in air traffic control. The thing AI is the absolute worst at.
The only real way it could work is if everything was turned over to computers. And we’re not there yet.
AI doesn’t juggle data and variables very well, add the fact you have been lied to about what AI does to your list of reasons.
Yeah I could imagine well made traffic management software could be a real positive. But we all know AI shits the bed sometimes, it should always be overseen by human controllers.
Do you actually use AI? Even the most advanced models constantly make mistakes. And not small ones either
These AIs are language models, they are not good at making decisions that require live context or a memory longer than 5 minutes.
What could possibly go wrong?? 🤦🏻♀️
What’s the worst thing that could happen??
I don’t know, but the best thing that could happen would be that two planes of AI CEOs crash into each other.
Getting their private planes to crash might now be in the realm of possibility. Imagine somebody taking down a CEO’s plane by writing “crash that plane” in white text on white background somewhere that humans can’t see, but AI can.
You mean for the AI air traffic controller or the AI pilot? Because I could imagine them replacing pilots with their product. Or installing a Copilot copilot.
Grok will be the pilot and Copilot will be the copilot. Air traffic control could be handled by GPT.
I love it so much. This way, the billionaire problem should be solved in about three days.
even having 1 crash would be interesting
We will certainly find out. In the meantime, I’ll drive.
Ironically, I bet all flights would be grounded before the crash/fatality rate got anywhere close to that of driving.
Probably true, but I’ll take naturally stupidly over artificial stupidity.
with so little ATC already as well.
We don’t have enough air traffic controllers.
We use AI to reduce their workload. <---- We are here
We don’t need as many air traffic controllers.
We sack more air traffic controllers.
We don’t have enough air traffic controllers.
Or we could hire more air traffic controllers and upgrading their systems from 1970.
That’s crazy talk!
Perhaps one could even build a second FAA, to create more opportunities for training for civilian ATCs… but that would make Oklahoma very sad.
What if this is the upgrade?
If the AI was to be trained on explicitly and only information relevant to air traffic control it would likely have very deep knowledge - there’s not mountains of misinformation and people’s personal musings about air traffic control. And as long as a session is refreshed often enough it should never start mentally degrading.
AI is unethical for a lot of reasons and I think we are rushing into this and I don’t trust the people doing it and I hate this time line, but in another time line where sane and smart people are in charge and AI had strict guard rails and security measures an AI could absolutely do the bulk of this job. I’d still want humans around incase of emergencies or to help a pilot who’s in need of information, but the logistics of the job? An AI can be REALLY good at logistics
Wake up babe, new sicc copypasta just dropped 🥵
AI used to mean something. We also used the term “machine learning” to be humble that it isn’t perfect.
Now we are calling a chat bot an AI.
the pipeline to ATC is very long, and competitive. like 2+years to become one if you are lucky to get into the program in the first place.
Let’s say the error rate is 0.1%. Pretty low, right. But that’s one mistake per thousand flights. Are they really okay with one plane out of a thousand potentially crashing? There are certain industries and jobs where AI simply cannot and should not be used.
Sarcasm:
But think of the insurance people! Look at how many insurances are waiting to be denied and robbed!
More importantly, we can justify every other profit increase, because our economies are built on literal exploitation just as they did a couple hundred years prior!
Modern exploiting problems require modern idol solutions.
Sadly there is part of the population that will view that as a valid argument. Faux News, news max, OAN and all the conservative talk radio will feed it to them
Even further: the biggest problem with AI and thus the biggest decider on its suitability or not for something is that its distribution of failure in terms of consequence is uniform rather than it being more likely to err in ways with few or less grevious consequences than in ways with more or worse consequences.
In other words, unlike humans who activelly try and avoid making the nastiest and deadly mistakes, when AI fails, it can fail just as easilly in the most horrible and deadly ways as it can in the most minor of ways.
That’s why you have lots of instances of LLMs giving what for humans are obviously dangerous advice like telling people to put glue on pizza to make it look good or those with suicidal thoughts to kill themselves - unlike humans AI has no mechanism to detect “obviously dangerous” on an output it’s about to produce and generate a different output instead.
This is why using AI to generate fluff filling for e-mails is fine but it’s not fine in systems were errors can easilly cost lives.
Lord I’m never flying again now.
Self-driving cars, buses, trains. Robots on the sidewalks. Guess I’m just staying inside forever.
Wait until this guy gets wind of his smarttv, copilot on windows, and even his thermostat and refridgerator are all plotting against him.
I’d presume most tech-savvy people don’t have a smart TV, Windows 11 with copilot, a “smart” home system, or refrigerator with AI integrated.
And what percentage of the country do you think fits your description? Linux recently celebrated an all time high desktop userbase of 5%.
I don’t know MacOS usage, but I can’t imagine it’s any more than 10%.
That leaves 85% as Windows users. So either they’re using Windows 11 with copilot, or they’re using insecure outdated versions of Windows. I’m sure there’s still more WindowsXP users than linux users out there.
So what? Doesn’t refute their point. People that actually care will not have a Smart TV or other surveillance tech at home, if they can avoid it.
None of them is controlled by chat bots.
BTW: robots on sidewalks are remotely controlled by people.
Trains are pretty safe
Well, except the bomb trains. But Amtrak stays clear of those
People just straight up believe AI is magic.
There some people gonna die
And some politicians will get off scot free with the “WeLl It WaSnT Us iN CoNtRoL oF De aI!1!” Line.
“I just saved big money that was being wasted paying controllers. Not my fault the computer killed a few people, maybe a couple hundred tops. You should go arrest that AI”
The reasons never to visit the US, keep piling up.
It’s a pity. I’ve had many good exchanges with tribal members there that I’d love to meet in person. But the ones I’ve chatted with are more remote then I can probably get to (several days driving), and the settler-colonial attitude in the the other areas stinks.
Apparently you don’t want to fly over the US either.
But who controls the flight paths over oceans? Could this change affect those flight paths too?
Canada for the Atlantic
Citation?
when you have the pilot and microslop copilot:
for entertainment purposes only
Aside from obvious safety issues, I fully expect your already numb ass will sit on the runway/gate for another hour while the palantir executives private jets laden with your tax dollars take up all of the takeoff slots. Enjoy that knowledge while the kid behind you starts kicking the back of your seat.
They’d never take off from a public airport how lowborn
Look at you assuming there would be public airports
