Feddit.org has been promoting a fake, libelous edited screenshot as proof of dbzer0 being a Nazi instance.
This has now been proven FAKE with a working WayBack Machine link.
Compare the users, the @'s, the emojis. There are a few differences as this was taken later, but this is the original post that was modified to show dbzer0 and quokk.au as being targetted by Nazis.
Here is where Feddit.org has been promoting this lie, with the full backing of the admins.
I have recently been banned from Feddit.org due to their admins lying and dismissing of my questioning the legitimacy of this post. See YPTB post here
The responsibility for these lies and the accusations of calling people nazis falls squarely on @Emopunker@feddit.org shoulders.
On those posts about people complaining (mostly in c/unpopularopinion) that lemmy isn’t all that different from reddit, instance infighting is one truly unique thing from the fediverse.
On the bright side, none of the instance owners have the kind of monopolistic power Reddit has.
Plus, unlike the average Redditor, the average Lemming has already switched platforms at least once and is a lot more ready to switch again.
Ya, the tribalism is much more intense, probably because we all have the @instance next to our name. I cringe so hard when I see people say shit like “typical .ml user” and the like. Most people just join an instance randomly, it’s not like there’s a political pledge they make you sign when you do or something.
I do think this current situation is kind of fucked up tho. Calling an admin a Nazi with doctored photos.
I only joined .world because it was listed on Reddit Is Fun as the app closed. Now people randomly ban me or insult me for being mainstream. Bruh…
I joined them when Reddit started showing signs of pissing all over themselves. I went there because i had discoverability issues on my Mastodon trial. After about a month of .world issues with them and their groups, I realized the vast majority of my content was off-server anyway to avoid the toxicity. I moved over to zip and couldn’t have been happer to out of that place.
.zip is great, be it Lemmy or Piefed
What does zip do?
EDIT: Interesting: https://piefed.zip/defed_policy
.zip has a hands-off policy and gives users autonomy to block whatever they like. They do not take it upon themselves to block or defederate on behalf of everyone else. That’s why us lemm.ee refugees moved to .zip, because of similar instance policies. Also, the admin is great at maintaining the instance and provides regular updates.
So it’s Lemmy 4Chan?
Interesting thanks.
Monthly detailed updates: https://lemmy.zip/post/61864762
lemmy.world used to be the most vanilla of instances. I have no clue now, but it still seems to be ok.
IDK now im on Piefed for the features. Even self hosting isnt that hard.
Its wild to judge a person based on the instance they are coming from. Like of all the things…
I mean that’s fine, weirdos are allowed to ban mainstream people from their instance. Idk i just hate the drama I couldn’t care less, if you own an instance and don’t like something ban em it’s yours. If it’s hard and wrong people get banned then sorry you aren’t good at it, find another hobby, other admins are good at it, we’ll all be fine.
Nah, we suck
Most people just join an instance randomly, it’s not like there’s a political pledge they make you sign when you do or something.
Um… lemmy.ml literally does do this though. :-P
They point fingers at .ml to deflect from the fact that the opinions supposedly isolated to those instances are actually everywhere.
For ML, and far more so HB, it’s not the content so much as the style. Also the frequency.
Logical fallacies indeed can come from anywhere, but when the majority of content from a given source is that way… (depending on what your interests are and so what communities you are subscribed to), then it becomes a cost-benefit trade-off to block an entire instance.
Fwiw I have rarely ever regretted blocking all users from ML - in fact only once, a message from Dessalines, for whom I would make an exception to the instance block if I could.
i’m on .ca and i LOVE Joseph Stalin
Yup. My first instance was .world because fuck it, good enough, at least it’s not Reddit. (Didn’t know about all the drama until at least a year later, too. I still probably don’t know about a lot of it.) Now I’m two-timing that one and piefed.social until I carve out the time to set up my own instance or few, maybe even one with a deluxe-tier membership with extra features.
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Pretty disgusted to see Feddit.org allowed this content to stay up for so long and try to frame the Quokk.au and Dbzer0 admin team as Nazis simply because we dared to defederate their instance for its pro-Zionist stance.
I honestly haven’t thought of them once in the year since we blocked them, apparently we are still fresh on their minds.
I feel at the very least they should make a public retraction of this post, explaining how it was misinformation and ban the user who spread it.
They are blood thirsty Zionists what do you expect?
You think they made a mistake. It wasn’t a mistake, it was intentional.
I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they got a bit worked up hoping it was true. What matters now is how they amend for it.
I’m surprised people don’t see this as blatant projection. Nazis aren’t smart, but they know to target where the most easy recruits are. Dbzero is full of anarchists, who are historically so antinazi we have trouble getting along with other leftists.
On the other hand, constructing a “they’re the real Nazis!” narrative allows them to push Lemmy World (the biggest instance with the most “centrist” views, the best target for Nazi infiltration) into isolation. Especially isolation from people who recognize and vehemently fight the first signs of Nazis: anarchists.
Lemmy.world (and Feddit.org clearly) needs to clean their own house; they’re being actively attacked from inside.
What do Nazis do after recruiting more Nazis?
Jews haven’t been gassed in 80 years. So what have the Nazis been doing since then?
Lemmy.world and feddit.org admins and members are blood thirsty Zionists. While I don’t know what the Nazis have been doing the past 80 years, I do know what the Zionists have been doing. I have seen their indiscriminate murder and rape of civilians, women and children in 4k.
What have the Nazis been doing since the Holocaust? Infiltrating the governments and science labs of major world powers, especially the US? “Project Paperclip” is your search term for that one. Hmmm… getting Donald Trump elected twice as president so they can operate more freely and openly?
Oh and also, there is plenty of historical evidence and connection to suggest that Nazism and Zionism are basically the same thing, different parts of one hideous elephant, and people have been discussing this since the conception of the concept of Isreal. Here’s a 1984 book about it. it’s easy to fins articles aplenty discussing it as well.
And really, isn’t it kind of obvious? A core construction of Nazism is to divide humans into genetically-defined “races” and then force those races to live separately in ethnostates. Nazi Germany was to be the Aryan German ethnostate, and Isreal was the state for the Jews. The holocaust was the “final solution” implemented by the most violent and reactionary Nazis. Plenty of “centrist Nazis” were willing to “compromise” and “just” exile the Jews to their own country, out in the desert. Just like the colonial USA was “willing” to “allow” some Native Americans to live in exile on the worst–most inhospitable–lands of their own country.
The enemies of humanity are not so fragmented as we wish. They find common cause in the selfish pursuit of power and the manipulation of naive people towards their terrible ends, then use a smokescreen of terminology and ideology to disguise what, in the end, is little more than petty greed.
I was banned from !europe@feddit.org for pointing out the similarities and historical connection between Zionism and Nazism. Germany has been particularly aggressive in its attacks on speech and that has been reflected in the moderation of communities on feddit.org
I didn’t read it, just wanted to point out this immediately borders on violating German law. You can’t for example compare the holocaust to anything. That’d be a legal offense. Depending on how it’s worded and the details. And I don’t know if there’s a good way to deal with it. We could try to abolish German law. But that’s hard work and will take quite some time… As long as it’s there, it’s a thing… Dunno if that warrants a ban, but certainly a deletion. I think they’re based in Austria now(?!) law there is a bit different, but it’s complicated anyway.
I’m locking this post as i can’t investigate for now. The link to the wayback machine is broken on my side.
Sorry, I need a longer time to read, understand and verify. I’m busy. I’m letting @libb@piefed.social and @null@piefed.nullspace.lol handling it.
Thank for your understanding.
Followed the links and looks like this post is legitimate and the image was doctored.
Unlocking for now, but I would love to see all this fedi-drama live in it’s own community…
Disputes between users are “drama.” Disputes involving instance admins and discussions of defederation are matters of fediverse governance.
I’m tempted to host a single instance, with no accounts and a single community called “instance beefing”
Put it on a
.ch(Switzerland) domain, LOLI think it could be a good idea. :)
I would name it “instance mediation” instead of “beefing” since we aren’t looking for a conflict but listening and talking. But of course that would be an utopia since we are passionnate on some topic. 😅
I imagine a safe space where users can bring their arguments with proofs without attacking each other. Just facts, nothing more…and they decide. :)
I imagine a safe space where users can bring their arguments with proofs without attacking each other. Just facts, nothing more…and they decide. :)
Don’t forget the unicorn while you’re at it 😅
Well i can dream about it 😔
Please do a funny and call it something like ‘the marketplace of ideas’.
I think that’s a good idea, but it would be a massive pain to moderate.
Why moderate it?
Someone will realise that and start using it as free cloud storage.
I think this is a level beyond drama. This was a deliberate misinformation/smear campaign.
That’s why i tought it was important an importants information.
But it was quite sensible, We have to verify and thread it carefuly.
Boooooo
I hate fedidrama
Same but i can’t dimiss people’s opinion. I think it’s important to listen to them. There is people against AI, other for AI, and each of them have a point. They are not wrong.
I believe the best way to handle it is to create a framework for debate and bringing arguments to nuance our opinions, understanding each points.
However, there is also a limit on free speech and that’s our part to handle. That’s not easy. 😔
Unfortunately I fell for all the gossip around them being a neo nazi.
It’s pretty sad to see something like this happen in the fediverse.
I fall for shit like it’s going out of style. HumanOS is suckware.
The fact that you can recognize a cognitive fuck up for what it is and admit it is really cool.
If more people could do that… well we wouldn’t have drama like this.
Admitting getting fooled is a very mature thing to do and so rare in online discouse.
I got fooled for years by Israel propaganda around Gaza. Since then I get in to trouble with lots of communities for questioning the narrative of both sides.
Yooo same.
At least you got to see the truth.
Many people are not going to see this post and walk away thinking it was true. The damage of a lie lasts forever.
The feddit.org admins did not help by refusing to remove the post for hours after it was proven fake and continuing to argue against and silence evidence proving it.
At least you realized your mistake, and you’re able to admit it.
Don’t feel bad. It’s completely plausible. Anyone could have fallen for it.
We’re anarchists! We couldn’t be more diametrically opposed to fascism if we tried. It’s the opposite of plausible! 🫠
People fell for the idea of “centralized anarchist leadership”, I think plausibility is more about whether people can be convinced something is true than if the idea can even reflect reality.
Also some people think of the flotilla as “those pirate people”, and don’t know or have any interest in knowing more, which is a shame.
I actually had an idea for some promo type material I was calling “Ooh, so scawy!”, with things like pictures of food being handed out or community cleanup efforts. At the bottom would be “They are an anarchist! Ooh, so scawy!”, because so many people have no idea what anarchists stand for that I thought it might be a neat way to share ideas in a playful way.
I thought you were an autonomous collective.
The responsibility for these lies and the accusations of calling people nazis falls squarely on @Emopunker@feddit.org shoulders.
Someone who posts rants on MeanwhileOnGrad being associated with falsifying nazi evidence? Well, I never!
How did all this fascism get into my anti-communism AGAIN?
Meanwhile is actually the dumbest fucking thing ever, like “hey look at these crazy people omfg lets keep looking at them” like get a life fml. I never would have heard of grad at all in my life if they weren’t constantly pushing the very same grad content they hate so much to the rest of the fediverse.
Everytime I see one of these feud posts I think…
The Real Housewives of Lemmy
That could be a good name for a community :)
It’s incredible the kind of drama people stir up for seemingly no reason.
It’s been top teir the past 2 weeks
Zionists tend to be well organised and paid well. It’s not really a surprise to me they manufacture evidence like this since it’s this kind of mud that ends up sticking in the backs of people’s minds.
I’m not suggesting that emo was a paid actor. Simply that the kind of campaigns they typically do create the kind of person emo is.
Zionists have admitted to using AI generated photos to justify killing Lebanese reporters.
If you can’t trust a German based instance that espouses fascist ideologies then who can you trust?
The only problem I have with the evidence presented is the wayback links only show how it looks now rather than the time of the incident. It would be really shitty if they doctored the image to stir up some shit and divide us even more. I think so many people found it believable because of how toxic some folks can be. Let’s remain vigilant so that nazis don’t feel welcome here but we absolutely should not overreact without sufficient evidence.
The site appears to indicate edits. The first post shows edited a week ago.
I don’t know how hard it would be to manipulate that at the admin level, if it’s even possible, or if any of the users in the screenshot are admins. Maybe someone that knows more about whatever platform they’re using can help.
Edit: You can go to nicecrew.digital, where a couple of the posters are from and without signing in, hit explore, search posts for the exact wording for Classic Tyler’s first post (I’m sending Johnny an invoice), and you’ll get this thread.
You only get the nicecrew replies, the rest won’t load, maybe because poa.st, where the OP is from, seems fucked up right now, maybe due to all the traffic caused by this investigation, lol.
Nicecrew.digital indicates edits with an icon. None of these posts have the icon.
Unless this is a coordinated cover-up by admins of multiple instances removing indications of editing (and I don’t even know if that’s possible) what you can see right now on wayback, annihilation.social, and nicecrew.digital is legit. The feddit screenshot is a fabrication.
Edit#2: You can also go to detroitriotcity.com, search for alexmussolini88’s (jfc, these people) post, and get the whole thing. Again, with no indication of edits outside of the OP.
Also note that the feddit.uk which originally posted this screenshot deleted itself when this was found.
And that account was created a few days before the .org account who reposted this.
That account was also inactive for basically 6 months with only a handful of comments when it was newly made.
And all the upvoters in the LW community thread were 6 month all accounts that recently became active again, that only had a few comments in ! showerthoughs beforehand.
Wouldn’t it show if it was edited? I’m not familiar with the nazi platforms software though tbh.
I think it’s a bit much to expect the person debunking to supply a Wayback screenshot from before they started debunking.
The Wayback machine only archives on request for sites like these, it was a way to keep proof since the whole problem is that screenshots are easy to fake.
I think the nazi site is unlikely to be edited as a cover up, I have no idea how their platform works or how trivial it would be to edit the database, I was just pointing out that the wayback is presenting the current site. Just as OP is complaining we took the original post at face value we should acknowledge that the new evidence is not perfect either.
It shows what it looks like when I found the thread, seems impossible to archive a link before you find it no? Here is the original incident and my overview of it, don’t know why it didn’t get linked. https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/20274296
So what you’re saying is that this is just Reddit 2
this, it’e like being around teenage children
Fedilectric boogaloo
Many lemmy.org sucketpuppet accounts to talk trash about dbzero are getting removed. How does feddit.org tolerate this?
I think one of the lessons we can learn from this is that public admin logs should probably become a condition of federation in responsible communities.
