Obligatory fuck brave. What’s wrong with nord exactly?
I don’t know much about Nord’s quality as a service, but I know that they really spearheaded the effort to spread misinformation on how Internet security works (claiming that a VPN would protect the information you enter into a website when HTTPS already does that) via YouTube ad reads. That alone is enough to make me swear off ever using them.
Urgh. I use Mullvad, it’s just 5€ per month and so far works great. I hope there’s nothing bad I don’t know about it. lol
Mullvad complies to all legal requests!!
Which doesn’t matter since they’re properly setup for there to be nothing law enforcement can get out of them.
The only true and tested nolog VPN provider ever.
I thought PIA had ownership issues but had also been audited the same way?
Audits don’t mean shit IMO, mullvad got raided by Swedish police and the police were allowed to see the logs and stated there’s no logs on the servers.
PIA has been through that multiple times, too: https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-claims-proven-true-again-in-court-180606/
They are the only VPN company with a clean record but personally only VPN I would trust is onion, garlic etc. kind of networks.
How do you define “with a clean record”?
Also they’re spending just wayyyyy too much on advertising for my taste.
I’m under the impression https can be defeated by a man-in-the-middle attack if you’re not paying attention. Haven’t looked into it recently to be sure if that’s still the case or a solved issue, though. But that was one reason to use a VPN while on untrusted wifi, supposedly.
if you are using http yes, any modern website uses https, in most cases vpn will at least prevent dns hijacking (since unecrypted dns is still the default)
No, I’m definitely talking about https. Could be this is no longer a thing tho, I need to look it up.
afaik there is some metadata leak with https unless you use ECH which most websites do not support
I think I was thinking of situations where the wifi owner redirects you to their impersonation site with their own cert, but a normal browser will pop up a big warning about that. Also if the site properly uses HSTS and you’ve been there on that machine before, then you’re protected from being directed to a http impersonation site. A VPN will protect you from both (assuming the VPN us trustworthy), but if you’re savvy you don’t need it. But then the type of person who needs the kind of simplified explanation for “why VPN” that you get in ads is not savvy.
NordVPN is good for getting around geoblocks, not so much for privacy
Nord is a company that spends a lot of money on ads. They pay a lot of youtubers. In general, when a company uses most of their money on ads, they tend to get as much users as possible while not spending a lot of money on quality. I don’t trust those companies.
Friends of mine say it’s fine. But they don’t have anything else as reference. I can’t say for certain, but Nord isn’t the safest and most private VPN out there. Also some VPN providers log traffic, which can be confiscated with a court order. Again, I’m not sure if this is the case with Nord.
I myself use Proton, which is completely privacy based. Their company changed to become a foundation to ensure their privacy focus no matter who might be in power in the future. Their prices are fair, their services are good. They don’t spend money on ads, they spend all their effort and resources into making internet a better place.
As soon as companies are sponsors for many youtubers, I don’t trust them.
For instance, opera used to be an awesome browser made by a Norwegian team. They sold it to a Chinese company that provides predatory loans in poor African countries, completely destroying family’s lives. They promote the shit out the browser, while it also saves your data and uses your machine to farm crypto. Evil as fuck.
While the original creators of opera started a new browser which is how they believe it should be: private, your property, full of personalization, no bullshit. It’s called Vivaldi. But they don’t promote it like Opera does. Because they are honest and don’t want to waste resources while they can better use that for improving their product even more.
What’s wrong with Brave?
It’s backed by fascist psychopath Peter Thiel and it, at least for a long time, promoted a crypto scam as a main browser feature.
First time I hear of this. What alternatives would you suggest? I have brave on my PC because it’s pre-configured and comes with a Tor addon
Waterfox/Librewolf/Zen Browser for normal browsing and Tor Browser for Tor. Ungoogled Chromium if you absolutely have to use chrome.
Any idea how helium stacks up against ungoogled chrome
Additionally to the other two replies, Brave also injected referral IDs to an URI when you directly typed it in. Allegedly it was a mistake and they put it behind a toggle:
- Article: https://www.technewsworld.com/story/brave-browser-caught-redirecting-urls-for-cash-86701.html
- Their blog: https://brave.com/blog/referral-codes-in-suggested-sites/
Also, per default the new tab page shows advertisements in the background. Firefox does also show ads on the new tab page in the link grid, so it’s a bad thing both do and you can disable it on both. But with an almost-full-window sized ad Brave managed to make that worse still.
Aside from the homophobia, Brave also runs an ad network. I am skeptical about their privacy claims when they profit off the data to sell ads.
lol Brave respect from ML
best browser in the world right now
If you like fascism and crypto
Yes, Google Chrome installs AI locally
without consentautomatically, Brave forces you to use their cloud services.… and Brave is also basically a marketing scam
Consent? What’s that, huh?
Do you know what consent is?
- Yes
- Remind me in 3 days
Can you tell me more about brave and what you mean?
When you launch Brave for the first time, it will push a lot of services like Brave News, Brave AI, their video call platform etc., all cloud services. Technically, they’re all open source, but I wouldn’t trust them. They have released a separate version, though, which keeps all this things disabled, which is paid on every platform except Linux builds.
Still, Brave is a whole lot better than Chrome, but I wouldn’t trust either.
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You can do better than chrome with Edge. That way two companies are keeping your data secure instead of just one!
Yk what thank you, there’s always room for improvement
always lol @ brave
What’s the thing you replaced with NordVPN? Just so I know to avoid it, of course.
Also, I’m not sure if you’re doing the same, but I collect all data about myself, including metadata, and mail it directly to the NSA. Just saves them the hassle.
Finally, finally, I can answer something. I recognize the logo.
https://obscura.com/Is this better than mullvad? I’ve had nord for a while but finally cancelled and am going to get a new one when my sub expires.
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Seems like Obscura uses mullvads exit servers so I would imagine it would be a similar level of anonymity. Can’t speak on feature parity though, that will have to come from someone who has used both services.
I’m on the same boat as you. Have had Nord for 2 years and 10 months, out of which the 10 months has been from me just sharing my link to people that wanted a VPN. I used to like them, then they started pushing bullahit on Android like not allowing me to just refuse notifications. Granted, after a shotload of complaining they finally gave me a link to an apk that did allow me to keep it’s notifications off without constantly nagging me to enable them, but that was the last straw. My subscription finally ends on May 13th. I’m on a family plan on Proton, so now I use that. The only benefits of a VPN for my needs are geoblocks and if I ever need to use a public Wifi, and even then, o usually just VPN into my home via wireguard anyway.
Thank you very muchissimo!
Its either mullvad or nothing all day everyday
What’s the issue with Signal? I haven’t heard of any actual vulnerabilities from their end, just standard phishing on the user side.
There’s no issue
Unless you’re the government, then the issue is just that it works
Unless you dont know how group chats work and add random journalists.
But… but I declared that we were clean on opsec!
They don’t invade your privacy or share data with third parties or even use your data to train AI. Yucky, no thanks
I find this to be 100% accurate and every one should follow this guide to maximize their security
whats wrong w Nordvpn
Nothing. It’s rumors and hearsay. Probably the only negative is an alleged data breach, but that is not confirmed.
…thanks for replying
Whats the rumours and hearsay?
Some people claiming they log data, but they’re mixing it up with other VPN services that actually have been caught logging data. Some people have a problem with their refund policy, but they’re trying to get one after like 6 months or something stupid like that… come on.
Stupid little things.
Thanks - appreciate you taking the time
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How is NordVPN expensive? I had it for almost 3 years and turned out to be about US$2.80 per month for me.
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Ah, wait, you’re right. I never saw that because I usually get services for 1 or 2 years. Those a ridiculously high prices man. Damn!
It’s a corporation. It is inherently not private. Your government will always be able to get its data. NSA can be presumed to log its activity, whether or not the corporation itself does.
Nord was headquartered in Panama specifically so they wouldn’t have to comply with data requests by intelligence agencies.
Not sure on their current status though.
whats the one above nordvpn?
its obscura, basicly mullvad with a relay for making it impossible to log who you are, if i understand correctly
i also didn’t know what it was credit
Just use mullvad vpn
That’s not an aswer though.
That is an answer, maybe not an answer you wanted, but still an answer.
Nope. It’s a response, but it’s not an answer.
Now you’ve got me wondering 🤣
Answer to a question nobody asked?
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You’re glowing
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