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    This.

    I know Harris and Clinton are controversial but they were two of the most qualified candidates to ever run, who happen to be women. Yet, somehow, the biggest moron on the planet defeated both of them. That moron only lost to the oldest man to ever take office, up to that point.

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      Careful, there’s a lot of morons on lemmy that would rather live in a fascist state than vote for a candidate that isn’t 100% perfect.

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          I mean… we were doing much better than everyone else. Changing nothing is preferred to whatever the fuck this is!

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          Hey buddy, you don’t like the word Fuck, but you’ll call everyone else a moron? Maybe look in the mirror and stop being a dense fucking idiot.

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            As the saying goes:

            If you find yourself constantly surrounded by assholes…you might be the asshole.

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          But if she said she would have done things differently, it would have been played as disloyalty and the media would have a field day accusing her of hating her former boss and admitting to doing a terrible job. It was a lose-lose question.

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            Shhhh, we don’t like this kind of rationality here

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          So vote for the guy who doesn’t even know what the word ‘grocery’ means. That makes sense.

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          Inherited a nearly crashed economy partly due to the absolute inept bungling of a pandemic by the previous orange turd, and they had to spend 4 years getting the country and economy running while simultaneously trying to rebuild the US’s reputation on the world stage while the reds did absolutely everything they could to prevent Biden from passing meaningful legislation for the sole purpose of making him look bad.

          But yeah…blame her for not doing anything different.

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            Oh I will.

            That’s what a reasonable person does when a leader spends four years ignoring a cost of living crisis.

            She and Biden made sure Israel got their aid and their WMDs though.

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              when a leader spends four years ignoring a cost of living crisis.

              Are you talking about Biden?

              The U.S. was recovering faster than other 1st world nations under Biden. Dude invested heavily in clean energy. He had a solid job creation record. He was forgiving student loans. He was trying to get medical debt off credit reports.

              Were you asleep during his presidency? Cuz it sure seems like a significant number of Americans were.

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        I voted Harris. Techno feudalism is better than outright fascism, sure, and that is why I voted for the techno feudalist party that Harris represented. I wanted my neighbors to have food in their belly if it meant being surveilled and controlled and monetized and wage-slaved for the rest of their lives. I would rather have a few people snatched off the streets than the many that the fascists wanted.

        I wish leftists took over the democratic party, though. They are techno feudalists who only have the argument of “at least we’re not fascists”. At least leftists care about my neighbors beyond making sure they have an employer to wage slave for and sustain the 1%.

        The best democrats are the ones that are not at all like Harris. Make that make sense. The only redeeming quality about her, IMO, was she wasn’t a fascist. I didn’t find her annoying, but I just imagine her as a sock puppet for whoever tells her she’s the bestest person ever. After being around children and watching them develop, most politicians are just adult-sized babies wanting to be told they’re the goodest little boys and girls and are saving the world. Leftist politicians are not that, typically. They, typically, act like the adults in the room. Harris was the adult in the room full of fascists and is why I proudly voted for her. She is not an adult in the room full of leftists. She is a toddler and infant that is smarter than Trump because at least she wouldn’t believe she’s the best thing since sliced bread in a room full of adults actually smarter than her, which is not that hard at all.

        She and everyone like her in that party needs to get kicked out and create a new “big tent” Liberal party which argues in favor of liberal ideas like free markets and a strong NATO and a strong Israel which will attract all of the non MAGA republicans (which is a strong sign that liberalism is a fucking stupid thing to desire IMO—that’s what “working across the aisle” means to a liberal Democrat), and leave the Democrat party to leftists and people who actually want to work for the American working class. “Benefit the working class over the rich” is what people think is “perfection being the enemy of good”. As if. That kind of defeatist attitude is what lets my neighbors suffer and get bent. But people don’t care about my neighbors apparently, and therefore allow the democrats to get away with it for the past two decades. At least that way I can keep voting democrat without knowingly hurting my neighbors more than they should be.

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          The ones for techno feudalism like musk, thiel, yarvin and others are on trump’s camp.

          That’s what dark MAGA supposed to be.

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            The ones for techno feudalism like musk, thiel, yarvin and others are on trump’s camp.

            They were for Democrats before trump. They go to whoever is the winning party and democrats played their part during the Biden era.

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              The only way you could represent musk and thiel and yarvin as “democrats” is if you had never thought about it for more than 5 seconds

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                Do you not understand how little voters think about it? Yes, even democrats. I hate to break it to you bud, but you are absolutely correct, but that means you do not understand how little people actually pay attention to things.

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                  Oh no, I get that. After all, 50% of the population is dumber than the median.

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              That’s the standard corruption (which politicians involved obviously should be punished). With trump they finally cut out the middle man.

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          If the genocide was already ongoing under a Democrat, then it’s not fascism, it’s just sparkling authoritarianism.

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            Stop calling my team pro genocide. I hate being called a genocide enabler. Stop calling me and my party that! We are not genocide enablers!!!

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      But but but both sides! Kamala would have been worse than Trump in every way shape possible. Because… both sides!

      /s I really hate people who argue both sides are the same. It just reduces voter turnout and republicans win when less people vote.

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        Oh, Kamala is better than Trump. barely. She’s as useful as a wet noodle, and wet noodles are more useful and better than Trump. So of course she’s better than Trump. Anyone who argues otherwise is a moron. But anyone who argues she’s better than any other free market advocating, NATO loving, Israel supporting liberal is also a moron. Leftists do not advocate for free markets, NATO, or Israel.

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          Nobody ever argues that they’re the same. Someone points out that neither is all that great, which is accurate, and a dozen idiots come out of the woodwork to shout “both sides!” at them. I suppose you want people to pretend that one of them is good, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

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                Who the fuck cares?

                One WILL be in control. That WILL happen.

                Only a moron would do anything other than vote for the lesser of two evils if it is GUARANTEED that one of the two will be in power and control our lives.

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                  Who the fuck cares?

                  I do, and you should.

                  One WILL be in control. That WILL happen.

                  And that means I have to be happy about it?

                  Only a moron would do anything other than vote for the lesser of two evils

                  We’re not talking about voting. We’re talking about people who drag out the old “both sides!” bumper sticker slogan anytime someone dares to criticize the Democrats. What’s your suggested alternative? Should I pretend to like them?

                  Hooray for me! I voted for evil!

                  if it is GUARANTEED that one of the two will be in power and control our lives.

                  If my only choice is between losing a finger or losing an arm, I’m going to choose the finger. That doesn’t mean I have to be excited about it.

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                I don’t think voting actually changes anything federally because I don’t think voting matters while we have the electoral college in play there. That being said, voting is a form of harm reduction and the democrats aren’t fascists.

                I don’t judge people for not voting, I do judge people for voting republican, though. I would rather people stay at home than vote republican.

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            It depends on what scales we’re talking about. I don’t like liberalism. I think liberalism is a stepping stone that will be left behind soon enough. On the scale I’m talking about, any liberal is barely better than a fascist because history has shown time and time again: Republics turn into fascistic dictatorships. It happened to every republic ever since Rome happened.

            I would like to move beyond the cycle of Republic -> Empire -> Republic -> Empire we seem to be in. Liberalism and universalism is the one thing that changed since the holy roman empire fell, but it’s not enough obviously. There has to be something more than liberalism, and I think it’s socialism and collectivism. That’s just me though. Liberals are barely better than fascists because they beget fascists.

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      Qualified how exactly?

      Harris couldn’t make it out of Iowa when she tried a legitimate run and Clinton had to rig primaries to win against Bernie. (A practice Dems were later forced to defend in a public court proceeding.)

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        You’re mixing up qualifications with elect-ability. They are not the same thing. Both women were very qualified for the job. That has nothing to do with whether or not people like, or are willing to vote, for them. Given your other comments, I’m guessing this isn’t a mistake on your part, but run of the mill disingenuous internet troll behavior.

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        You fuckin people still going on about how it was rigged when you just don’t understand either how it works in the first place and also that Bernie overwhelmingly lost to Hilary because he’s not a fuckin Democrat, of course Democrats are going to pick the Democrat to represent the Democrats, and the primary was legit and it wasn’t remotely fuckin close. Progressives don’t vote, and they didn’t show up or register to vote for him in the primary and he fuckin overwhelmingly lost. Take your russian republican propaganda bullshit and fuck off fuckin fascist supporter.

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          I respect the shit out of Bernie, but I’m beyond fucking tired of people whining about him.

          He lost the popular vote in both primaries.

          He wasn’t as popular as the people still whining about it think he was.

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            Shit yeah, I campaigned for him and voted for him in the primary and still wasn’t surprised that he overwhelmingly lost, like it wasn’t even close. That was democratic primary voters that picked Hillary, any finger on the scales the DNC had wasn’t making a significant difference. DNC could have backed Bernie and he still would have lost. Democratic primary voters are almost exclusively liberals, I’ve already mentioned a thousand times us progressives mostly don’t vote.

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        What do you think qualifies a person for office exactly?

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      Qualified for war crimes and genocide? Yes, overqualified. Now downvote me, bend over and spread your cheeks, October is coming. You need to be prepared.

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      two of the most qualified candidates to ever run

      That’s the problem. The qualifications are literally being a piece of shit.

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      Clinton was certainly qualified. Senator and Secretary of State make great qualifications. The other one eh…

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      That’s because the issue isn’t just candidates not adequately reaching voters. It’s that American voters are fantastically stupid and, in many cases, also fantastically bigoted.

      So take a candidate that’s open to being publicly bigoted and throw in some pretty obvious propaganda and watch the drooling masses perform a historic blunder.

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      I’ve long held the belief that we’ll get over racism before we get over sexism.

      I will admit there were a lot of things that went into those elections but sexism was definitely one of them.

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    Pretty sure the right wouldn’t give a shit as long as she was fucking with minorities as hard as the Trump admin is

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            When you do work to get republicans elected, like you’re doing right now, then yes it’s your fault explicitly. Being too stupid to understand that cause and effect does not absolve you of your responsibility.

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            Yes. Let’s keep absolving voters for the most obvious voting blunder in American history.

            Let’s keep absolving voters for going with the twice impeached convicted felon and adjudicated rapist with one failed presidency under his belt instead of the highly educated non-criminal but admittedly milquetoast alternative.

            Voters don’t have any responsibility, right?

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            I mean Harris’ policy did explicitly address most of the concerns everyday Americans have but the overwhelming majority of them, including apparently you, don’t have any idea what her actual policies were, they just repeat what fox news told them to think.

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              I haven’t watched Fox News since the early 90’s. Wanna cool up a new fantasy about who I am again? It’s very entertaining for me.

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          Congrats on being on the extreme minority that thinks killing and raping children is morally justified.

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              I voted for Harris, I’m not campaigning for her literally years after the election though like you are, only a literal pedophile would do that.

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                You are a petulant child that is complaining that they didn’t have the choice they wanted, years after the fact. Also you are campaigning, therefore you have admitted your Epstien ties.

                I don’t campaign for anyone. My beliefs prohibit me from joining a political party. I vote for the lesser evil, as I am an adult who understands that is the best option I’m going to have.

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          This isn’t the flex you think it is. You think you’re saying how much smarter you are to not be tricked but what you are really saying is your leaders can’t win without help from the people you despise.

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            I’m not flexing. I’m saying most Americans are incredibly stupid. I’m saying a full third of us are outright bigot fascists that actively want to say slurs in public and hate crime minorities. I’m saying another full third of us (you’re in this group) are too stupid or self absorbed to acknowledge that third party and non voters directly contribute to republicans getting elected. Of the remaining third, most don’t vote in Dem primaries so we have no progressive condition. I’m saying that the American Federal government is largely representative of the average American that is too stupid or mean to just vote in their own best interest (which yes for my entire life has meant explicitly voting democrat in every election). You are the American that has earned and deserves Trump. Reevaluate your priorities.

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              I voted for Harris, try again. I am at least willing to recognize where her campaign could have done better, because like you, I recognize we need those voters who went 3rd party (or stayed at home) in order to win. Unlike you, I hold leadership accountable for failing to inspire an electorate large enough to win.

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                Register if needed to vote in the primaries and get everyone you know to do that too and always vote for progressives in the primaries. That’s how you hold leadership accountable, by gaining the actual power to replace it. The democratic party is not a coalition of leftists and progressives. It’s a big tent party filled with everyone from nazi adjacent to the closest thing to a socialist American politics can muster. If all us leftists and progressives actually fuckin voted and otherwise engaged in the electoral process we’d have an actual opposition party. Till then the political reality is that every vote that isn’t for a democrat is explicitly for maga, and repeating fox news criticisms of democrats helps elect republicans.

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                  I vote in the primaries but last I checked there was no primary for harris to be POTUS in the last election cycle. And no, repeating valid criticisms of democrats does not automatically mean you are helping Republicans win. To think that requires a staggering amount of cynicism towards voters that one wonders why you are even trying to reason with said voters

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              Whats a "D next to a candidates name even mean anymore? Besides limping a system along which doesnt care about any of my issues and sends my taxes to a nazi theocratic foreign country to shoot little starving kids in the head for sport. We need to keep all this going in its current form you are saying, cant allow it to change or fall apart or we’re …bad voters?

              Well I’ll be sure to hustle to the polls and make sure I cast my vote for all the “D” branded genociders. Blue no matter who right. Because that will get this system working for me for a change, right? That will get the bribe-taking DNC centrists who have been utterly ignoring the voters to care about their voters again? if we just shut up, sit down, demand nothing, and do what we’re told?

              edit: Yeah thats right, downvote and run away. Theres at least a shred of honesty in your lack of response, if not your original posting.

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              …too stupid or self absorbed to acknowledge that third party and non voters directly contribute to republicans getting elected.

              yeah, don’t all those gun-toting, small-government Libertarian voters know that they owe it to the Democrat party to vote for their candidate so their evil Republican enemy can’t win?

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                I mean unless you’re stupid you learned that’s how it worked in high school. But you have to be stupid to take libertarianism seriously in the first place.

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        It’s ironic that you can’t resist using misogynistic language even as you deny misogyny was a factor.

        Imagine someone denying race was a factor while calling her the nword.

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              There was essentially no policy to help with cost of living. That’s what I’m trying to point out. That was one of the bullshit policies she was running with. And I fuckin voted for her lol

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                And I fuckin voted for her lol

                Good. You did the least stupid thing you could have done in the last election.

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                  Sometimes that’s the way you have to play the game.

                  Most voters decided to play it stupid. And now here we are.

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                well policy wise, she did talk about praying and loving her glock. Centrists like to pretend that never happened. She could reach out to the republican-lites about what they wanted to hear but she had not a single care for the priorities of the massive number of progressive voters. And for all that bending over to the “independents” she got almost nothing for the effort and lost massively from her base voters.

                Clearly the DNC plans to try that again, and they will lose again. To Rubio, Shapiro or eric trump …or someone else who is almost comically unqualified and impossible to lose to.

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          “Concept of a plan” is way better than whatever was in the Dems election program.

          People can’t read, intelligence is on a normal distribution. You know where that poster above you is on that curve.

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        She did, Biden did too - that inflation wave after covid was inevitable after reopening from covid, and then they got it under control but for some reason everyone ignored that and voted for trump saying “lower prices on day one”

        Another one kamala had no platform besides not trump – also not true she talked about all her policies she has the website with like a thousand different policies – but nobody wanted to see that the media just made the election about trump.

        At the end of the day, trump is the president we deserve as a people, we love wrestling and crypto and gambling more than we love affordable housing and healthcare. Maybe not you specifically, and me certainly not, but the average american, that’s what they want. this whitehouse ufc event is gonna do bigger numbers than any Mayweather fight ever. That’s what the people chose.

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          Trump literally ran without a platform both times. The RNC basically said, “Whatever he wants is our platform.” So it’s understandable why Dems thought Kamala could get away without talking about the party’s platform. They were trying to match the vibes-based campaign model.

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            She talked about her platform a lot, if the media only highlighted a 15 second paragraph about trump, that’s not on her. That’s on the media and the people being obsessed with trump, positively or negatively.

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          “I have no empathy…no empathy.”

          “No you’re only getting 600 because we decided to include the last payments which ads up to $1,200 so we’re keeping our promise technically.”

          That’s pretty much what people remember about Biden’s concern for their financial woes.

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        Nope. You’re wrong.

        There’s alot of factors that led to where we are now.

        It’s not simple at all actually.

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        Because anyone paying attention knows that Democrats are always better for our economy. So anyone bitching about the cost of living had a really easy decision to make in 2024.

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          Democrats may be better for traditional markers of the economy, but 50 years of neoliberalism from both parties has resulted in a K-shaped economy. One that is great if you already have wealth (which is what things like GDP and inflation tell you), but one that is terrible and getting worse if you are a regular person. Neither party has done anything to actually fix the systemic issues that caused this, so when status-quo Dems claim to be better for working people, we can all see that for the lie it is.

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        it’s that simple

        Sure thing bud

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    '…all while swiping huge piles of money out of uncle sam’s wallet"

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    Harris said she wouldn’t be any different than Biden, meaning she doesn’t have a spine and would have let Bibi Netanyahu and the Israeli government dog walk her with little pushback.

    Genocide is an unforgivable crime that must be rejected by everyone at every station in society.

    Fuck Joe Biden for not dropping from the race earlier and withholding primaries from us. Genocide Joe will earn his keep forever with that decision.

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      Her support for genocide was certainly a glaring weakness, but what really lost her the election is that the majority of left-leaning voters are sick of status quo corporate policies. Democrats keep trying to court the Sunday brunch crowd, when the economy is so bad that the brunch crowd doesn’t even exist anymore. The Dems have alienated the left-wing so completely that they ran fucking Liz Cheney as VP. But even that strategy was stupid because why would right wingers vote for Republicans-lite?

      The veil is starting to fall on US politics, and the people starting to realize that American Democracy is a dream, not reality.

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        Democrats spent the 2024 Presidential Election courting Republicans, even far right Democrats, instead of banking on a populist leftist platform of people over profits.

        The ultimate manifestation of the base rejecting that ethos was in the Palestinian freedom movement.

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      That is pretty valid. Him not dropping out did rob us of our primaries and our choice. I wonder if that was their plan all along.

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      Former President Biden failed in regard to the Middle East, but the MAGA fucknuts shit the bed on a greater scale.

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      Yeah… Nevermind all the good shit people do… Lets focus 200% on this single issue and then vote for a convicted criminal with lots of rape accusations.

      The problem is that the right wing supported Trump (because they believed him). And, then, there were people on the left wing who attacked Harris, and drowned out their good policies.

      Either Harris nor biden are at fault. It’s people like you.

      So, instead of electing someone who is a bit shit, you elected someone who is 1200% shit

      Congrats on making racism a thing again worldwide.

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        I agree with what you’ve said but I don’t think this person actually voted Trump.

        If I were to guess, based on their message alone they probably didn’t vote, or cast it for some random with no chance.

        You could argue that not voting, or wasting the vote, is akin to voting for Trump. But regardless, I agree that people with the OPs mindset helped trump her elected and made everything worse for everyone… Except billionaires

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          I voted for Kamala.

          I didn’t endorse her, and I criticized her until the very last moment. But I swallowed the pill because she was a better choice than Trump.

          She had every opportunity from when Biden dropped to Election Day to ride her hype wave to success. But instead, she told Walz to shut up with his populist leftist speech, told everyone at the DNC that she wants the “world’s most lethal military”, said she’d be no different from Biden, and all the while wasted 1 BILLION DOLLARS IN THE PROCESS.

          Kamala’s campaign was the worst fumble in recent political history. It mocks all the effort Bernie Sanders had to go through TWICE.

          Waste of a candidate, and waste of an election.

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          In the current US voting system, not voting Harris was functionally the same as voting Trump. You always need to vote for the lesser evil unless you want the greater evil in a two party system.

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    Oh yes.

    Love it when people pretend that Democrats support something because they offered a sound byte. 🤟😎

    What mattered was that they didn’t do anything meaningful to solve the problem.

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    Trump is femme/queer coded as hell.

    The jazz hands, the makeup, the camp interior design.

    The beautiful younger wife whose main purpose is to symbolise traditional heteronormative stability, but clearly is not romantically involved.

    and yeah the ballroom

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    Depends.

    Is this woman overtly bigoted and does she constantly demonize half of U.S. citizens?

    If so, then she’d have staunch support of all conservative voters regardless of what else she does.

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    Imagine if Biden and the DNC had the brains to back a capable woman with the actual skills to do the job instead of a puppeted genocidal failure who stood for nothing, can barely manage to stumble through a speech, and couldnt lead her way out of a paper bag. There are lots of capable women who can do that job. The DNC screwed everyone with that and we lost to one of the lamest republicans anyone can imagine. The party is ready to implode at this point due to incompetence , spinelessness and bribery by genociders.

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      She was still a better pick than the turd in office right now. But Americans are too brainrotted to accept and correct their own failures.

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        you keep trying this “lesser of two evils” “lets court the middle” “strategy” and it never works. When will you learn this. Your strategy wont win future election, its practically designed to lose. The last time you tried you eroded the base in every measurable demographic except 1, did you even notice that? If you lose in every demographic with a strategy, how will you ever have the votes to win any election? By making up votes from independents and converting republicans, Schumer famously said. But that keeps being tried and it keeps failing, time after time. Its factually proven to be bad strategy and you have to learn to win. Whats it going to take for you to choose not to lose?

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            Did you vote “uncommitted” in the primary to show your party that supporting War Crimes was not a negotiable to you? I did.

            I suppose you went with voting Biden then Harris-- despite their issues,zionism sellout, and low approval-- signalling you’d sacrifice literally everything to do what you’re told (become a party to the DNC sellout of all of our votes, and become utterly owned by foreign genocidal fascist theocrats) and then you lost anyway after you whored yourself to them with some failed lesser evil strategizing that sounded smart to you at the time. How did that pan out, did you win? Was your strategizing validated? Did you get the dems to support what you feel is important to our society? Maybe I’m wrong and yours was the path to winning?

            We’ve all done this same conversation before right-- Heres the part where you try to “blame” me for the fact that you sold out and got nothing, and then I tell you that I owe you nothing, that you disgust me, that I dont care about your complaints, and that we’ll do this again for every election from now on until you REALLY understand that lesser evilism + pivot rightward for votes strategy will never win. By that time my strategy of accelerationism will have kicked in-- those destroyers of our civilization do work fast! and we’ll go hunting fascists together. We’ll get along fine then. Looking fwd to it.

            You and I both want the same things, but we disagree on the path to getting them.

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              that’s a lot of words that, ultimately, didn’t answer the damn question.

              In 2024, Americans were presented with a basic IQ test. Who did you vote for?

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                I told you supporting war crimes was non-negotiable and not for sale, so use your noggin and do the math, who did I vote for? And who will I vote for going forward? This isnt complicated. It never was, and it never will be.

                You talk of basic IQ tests, lets see if you have basic reading comprehension. Go ahead, the information is all there already.

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                  Ok, so clearly you failed the test.

                  Did you get what you wanted out of this? Has the genocide been stopped? That one issue that prevented you from using the rest of your braincells?

                  I can straight up tell you right there right now, we are not the same. We don’t want the same things. Not even remotely close.

                  I share nothing in common with stupid people who looked at Trump, looked at Harris, and thought “wow, i’d rather have Trump.”

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      It’s by design. It’s not that they can’t find capable candidates in a population of 340+ million people, that would be rediculously incompetent. Their candidates are just exactly what the DNC wants: status quo. The DNC is nothing but conservative at this point, and they’d rather lose, than risk a socialist candidate who will break the status quo.

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    Pretty sure that further impoverishing people and expanding the MIC was her platform too.

    Bi-partisan support for attacks on the oppressed.