In this thread. Poor people that haven’t done anything with their lives bitching. My brother and I grew up poor as shit. Homeless for a while, etc. My brother just moved back to our hometown to take care of our aging mother. He bought the largest house for sale in the center of town. Meanwhile I travel the Western US doing IT work. Owning my own company and employe others.
You can do so much. Even if you start out poor. Neither of us got any loans. Neither of us had any handouts. Neither of us come from privilege. But we are both comfortable because we did work our asses off, and we are smart enough to make the right decisions at the right time. I’ll never be rich. But I’m comfortable. My brother, he’s very well of and possibly may retire this year in his late 40s because of the decisions he’s made in his career.
So maybe just maybe instead of bitching so much. Get off your fucking asses and do some shit.
I am happy with your achievement but being healthy to work a lot and being smart (having talent for IT for example) is also a kind of inborn privilege.
I didn’t have a talent for IT. I didn’t know shit about computers until I went to school and worked my ass off the past 20 years.
Luck is a paradox.
A Related family has 600k take home. their kids go to athletic camps with trainers from professional teams in the off season. then go back to school and expectedly run circles around their peers. the difference in skill is always attributed to their work ethic or genetics…
I mean literally you said work ethic. If they’re out in the offseason working out whether they’re being paid to or not and whether people are training them. That literally is the definition of work ethic. Kind of an idiotic statement to make for that. It’s the exact same thing as if somebody were to train as hard as they could in the off-season and continually train and weight lift and do everything else and follow everything that’s available out there. Only difference is they have somebody right there in front of them helping them make decisions.
That’s a huge difference 😂 it’s the same story with SAT scores, private tutoring is going to be incredibly effective compared to self guided study, it’s ridiculous to argue otherwise.
And that’s not work ethic? Jesus Christ.
Self guided study is per definition more work ethic than a tutor brought in by the parents/guardians.
Not really. Work ethic by definition is simply how hard you work at whatever you’re doing. If somebody’s working every single day for hours a day whether it’s with somebody or without somebody that is literally the fucking definition of work ethic quit trying to make fucking excuses because you couldn’t fucking succeed at something.
No, that wasn’t the point I was getting at. There are certainly kids with a private sports coach or tutor that also have a great work ethic. I would hope most of them do to take full advantage of the gift they’re being given.
But it’s important to note the difference in effort required. A coach or a tutor acts like a multiplier of effort. Someone who puts in dozens of hours of hard work with self guided training is going to see worse results than someone with the same level of effort guided by a private coach.
It’s important to note this because it means that sometimes even those that apply more effort end up behind. You could imagine a kid half-heartedly applying himself in private coaching lessons for tennis, because he doesn’t like it that much and his parents push him to do it, and then another kid might try extremely hard to train in tennis on his own, without a private coach because his parents can’t afford one. As someone who believes in the importance of work ethic, you’d probably like to imagine that the hard work pays off and that the kid without a coach still comes out on top, but I think the sad reality is that the kid with a coach is going to have a huge advantage in most cases, even if they didn’t work as hard. Then we get back to the original message from this post; what does the poor kid without a coach hear when he loses? You should’ve just worked harder. With no mention that the deck was stacked against him from the start.
I agree that some people get the wrong takeaway from these circumstances and decide it’s not even worth it to try, and that takeaway should definitely be discouraged. But I think it’s also harmful to downplay these unfair circumstances; we should be striving to create a more fair world. Unfortunately, the people with the most to gain from preserving this unfair status quo are also the people that hold all the power. It’s an uphill battle, but definitely one worth fighting.
I’ve actually seen a whole lot of boomers born poor as fuck that lucked into the most prosperous time to be alive; finding that almost any property they bought, company they started, stock they invested in (etc) managed to not just make money but succeed significantly and make them wealthy by retirement age, have adopted this same mindset.
TLDR: idiots who were born poor blow this tuba just as much as idiots born rich.
My parents are in this boat and don’t understand how the ladder has been pulled up behind them. They see the modest success my siblings and I have and don’t realize that we’ started from privilege that they earned for us, but is no longer available to the people starting today where they started 40 years ago.
Yes, there was a lot of work to be done, but in the sense of keeping slaves working and robbing others, taking everything for yourself and your family for centuries, oh yeah, oh yeah.
I used to ate with this sentiment, and I still do to an extent, but also I realized “sitting around doing nothing and being bitter” would guarantee I would get nothing.
So yeah success isn’t just hard work, but for most of us, unless you put in the effort you’re not gonna get anything.
That’s one of the most idiotic lies I hear over and over…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSJYH9K_nv0
Yeah, we got fucked hard, and have been losing gradually without realizing it.
Rich Kid Speak: “I spent years of my life working my ass off to reach the position I’m in today. You slackers just don’t understand what it takes to succeed because you’ve never even tried.”
Translation: “Thanks to the influence of my parents, I was admitted to an exclusive club that perpetuated a series of brutal hazing rituals against me. Eventually, I got to the point where I was allowed to perpetuate these hazing rituals on others. Then I moved on to a new organization with new hazing rituals, until I internalized the idea that perpetually hazing young people was the key to a virtuous upbringing.”
