Let me ask Facebook how credible this study is…
@Grok, is this legit?
Tap for spoiler
/s
*grok speaks against the favor of petroleum industry and is taken offline to be lobotomized yet another time*
What we really should have done is made the Car Talk guys president. If there’s one thing I know for sure, it’s that those two would never have forced me to listen to what some MIT grad thinks.
Absolute gold! (The hosts of Car Talk were both MIT grads)
MIT Study VS Facebook posts. Hard choice.
Well the Misinformation Institute of Technology just cannot be trusted. It’s in the name!!
Everyone who was around during the pandemic knows that facebook is gonna win
Look at everything the MIT has done for us!
Well the headline alone is misleading disinformation.
People shouldn’t blindly trust that MIT is somehow immune from the failures of capitalist science. It’s literally the heart of the MIC. Endless bullshit coming out of there.
Yeah but I heard this one scientist said one time that EVs actually cause more cancers and make trees grow less leaves
EVs beat me up and killed my dog.
EVs stole my wife and shot my kids.
EVs turned me into a newt!
A newt?
I got better?
You got cybercucked
No, that was a cop.
Trans trees! And bushes! Trans nature!
Is that what you want!?
The solar panels on my roof that I use to charge my car suck up all the sun and stop my grass growing
Was that a scientist, or scientologist?
Maybe someone with a political science degree?
Science back then: after long work we were able to create a vaccine, and we managed to eradicate small pox completely.
Science now: we did a study to prove something on Facebook isn’t true.
To be fair the scientists only invented the vaccine, and modern scientists are inventing plenty of vaccines and medical technologies today, including vaccines for infamously difficult to stop diseases like HIV.
Eradicating smallpox was a feat of international cooperation and administration. If we put in the effort in those areas today we could eliminate measles or polio. Or in the near future we could begin the process of eliminating HIV (it would take a long time because it’s not a death sentence anymore). Now I’m mad we aren’t engaged in a global fight to eliminate HIV the way we did for smallpox.
Speaking as someone who has worked on plenty of gasoline powered cars… Duh. The most obvious waste product an internal combustion car makes other than the exhaust is the used oil. Have to do something with it. Have to make sure the engine isn’t leaking out into the environment when it’s running.
Even if you are charging your car from a coal plant, it’s more efficient. A coal power plant runs at one speed/output all the time. Gas cars have to throttle up and down. Each gas car has to be maintained by the person owning it, while the power plant has a maintenance team and inspections.
Also to the throttling up and down, the power plant, or even a gasoline generator sitting in the car itself, will always run at peak efficiency. Even a gasoline car sitting on the highway for 4hrs isn’t running at peak efficiency and a lot of that energy is lost in heat through the transmission.
I can tell you that keeping an existing decent ICE is better than buying a new EV. But once you have to buy a new car anyway, and an EV fits your usage pattern and operational environment there are no reasons not to buy one.
Yeah, it’s a bullshit clickbait headline to ignore this fact.
So that’s not what the article was saying
The batteries do contain rare minerals like lithium but these can be recovered and recycled. EVs can be charged with solar, wind and other renewables even tho many places in the USA still burn coal or natural gas.
Once you burn gasoline in your ICE vehicle then it’s gone, it turns into gasses that go into the atmosphere and can’t easily be recovered into anything of much use.
EVs are the future and we all know it. Gasoline will continue to become more expensive and more difficult to extract.
I’d argue with the level of shit were in with the climate, the no cars lifestyle should be the future.
It might be in a few nations with strong public transit already like Japan and a number or European nations but honestly idk if it will ever happen in the USA at least not in my life time.
We went from zero cars to everything covered in cars in a lifetime, we can go back in a lifetime.
Attitudes around public transport have to change. It’s seen as a thing poor people use in some cities so the affluent kill expansion efforts. And even where it doesn’t have that stigma, nobody wants to pay for infrastructure.
It’s so neat to have a problem that combines poor numeracy with not being able to see two steps ahead. Yeah, if could somehow grow the Venn diagram of people with those two skills that would be great.
OK but that’s about as realistic in the next 40+ years as genetically engineered flying pigs.
Incremental progress is good.
Then I guess surviving the climate collapse will be just as realistic.
Incrementalism is what has killed us. Incrementalism plus crony capitalism equals absolute zero.
worst part of getting old is watching everyone around you gradually get dumber
The only “everyone” are trolls, paid or otherwise, the ignorant, and right wingnuts parroting the trolls and ignorant.
And there are a shitload of them who all seem to want to show off that opinion.
Half my family believes this it’s one of the major reason they don’t switch to EVs despite being believers of climate change.
Pretty insane how well that disinformation works. If you are worried about nickel, mangan and cobalt, just get a car with an LFP battery, which doesn’t need those heavy metals (it is based on lithium and iron phosphate). The only other critical resource in appreciable amounts is neodynium for permanent magnets. We are talking about 1-3 kg per car.
If you think that makes EVs worse for climate or environment than ICE vehicles, think again.
That does sound like everyone on Facebook
You reduced it to about 70% of the population.
And idiots who spend lots of money on overpriced ice cars to impress their mates
That’s why they are so concerned about the resell value in a years time, because they’re not buying the car they want, only one that is fashionable
Hey, I did my own research!!!1!1!!
How do you discover new things or form opinions?
How do I wat?
What are opinions?
Yeah, I have only facts, non of those opinions.
Theys easy to find. Opinions make you cry when you cut them.
No, you’re thinking of onions. Opinions are American marsupials known for confusing predators by pretending to be dead.
No, you’re thinking of opossums. Opinions are a class of pain medications that are now tightly controlled due to the high likelihood of addiction.
I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of opioids. Opinions are animals that regularly consume both plant and animal matter.
I didn’t realise anyone still uses facebook. Like in developed countries I mean.
I live in Atlanta and when I turned 21 (a couple years ago, but post 2020) I was kinda irritated because literally everything in the entire city was planned on Facebook Events, and I hated using Facebook.
It’s overwhelmingly popular, especially in the 30+ crowd, not even restricted to your 55+. Genuinely everyone would create Facebook events (before Partiful got popular) to invite people over on a Saturday
Edit: spelling
Hey you keep us 30 somethings out of this. I don’t know anyone my age still on Facebook. We’re leaving Instagram too. Fuck social media and fuck platforms owned and controlled by billionaires.
I’m still on there, primarily because a band I’m in uses it for events invites and uses Messenger for coordination group texts
Burning petroleum is one of the most destructive things you can do and it is absolutely common to do it. Everyday a single vehicles emits enough pollution to kill countless people. It gives them cancer and when combined with lead has resulted in hundreds of millions of deaths. It is absolutely insane people continue supporting this technology.
Everyday a single vehicles emits enough pollution to kill countless people.
Considering that since there are over 1.6 billion cars in use worldwide, I think if each one killed more than one person per day there would soon be none of us left.
Collectively they do cause some 246,000 deaths each year, from pollution alone, with several times that figure being attributable to motor vehicle collisions. So I do think the regular use of fossil fuel vehicles needs to be phased out, along with a drastic reduction in personal vehicle use in general in urban areas and the implementation of systematic safety principles in road design.
Try seeing how long you can suck on a car exhaust and live? My point stands.
Lead in gas in cars wasn’t even phased out until 1996 and only in 2021 was is declared officially over. Meanwhile the entire planet has been blanket by lead leading to startling facts like burning wood releases a ton of lead.
Our entire ecosystem needs a EPA style Superfund cleanup. Hundred of millions of people have already died just from lead. The lead left over in our environment, mostly from gas burning, kills anywhere from one to five million people every year to this day.
That means thirty years since leaded gasoline was first banned we have lost anywhere between 30-150 million people. This lead is not going away as demonstrated by the trees.
I swear we have lost close to a billion people from pollution in the last 50 years or so. Lead is only an additive, we haven’t even gotten into all the problems with the rest of it. Petroleum is a huge part of this loss of life. This is the true cost, a future of environmental degredation.
Try seeing how long you can stay underwater and live?
Every water kills billions per water!!!
Please try to stay on topic.
Please try to use your brain.
Don’t be jealous that I have one.
I admit that I am. That makes it even more embarrassing for you though.
Try seeing how long you can suck on a car exhaust and live? My point stands.
And you’d sink and down pretty quickly if the world were made of pudding.
Are you okay?
that college buddy who dropped grad school to become a chiropractor
Gold.
A second hand ICE car is still better than a new EV though.
We kinda solved cars 15 years ago as an ICE car from 2010 is almost indistinguishable from a new one. I’m waiting for my 2008 toyota to retire but it just keeps on going to the point where I think it’ll last me 10 more years. I don’t drive much but it takes e20 as fuel (heavily dilutated gasoline) and with CVT gearbox it’s super cheap to maintain so I really don’t feel like me upgrading to an EV would make any difference other than promote EV infrastructure.
My next car will definitely be an EV though primary because I expect battery tech to be much better by then.
A second hand EV is better than a second hand gas car though, so… What’s your point? What’s with this entirely outdated talking point at all? There are EVs old enough to vote.
Sadly the second hand ev market doesn’t exist everywhere.
Yeah I guess India where they’re still working on adopting anything that isn’t either a moped or 2 ton diesel, but pretty much everywhere else you can get a second hand EV. Even in the rural US.
Source? Cause the world is bigger than USA and India. You are just an ignorant biggot.
Sure, Chinese EVs have been popular in Africa, South America, Russia, and South East Asia for the last five years, which covers 75% of humanity.
The Racist Anglosphere and the underdeveloped slave capital of the world India are the ones far behind the curve, but Europe seems to be coming to their senses so that really just leaves India and the other developing country of the US.
Everywhere there’s a strong primary sales market, there’s a strong secondary sales market.
Also it’s not bigoted to point out India’s massive internal failing to develop even close to the same pace as China despite having a twenty year head start and much more western investment. The country in taking after its western masters decided against communism (for the most part) and has obviously suffered greatly for it. But hey, they get to be the underpaid call center workers of the western world, hurting western countries and bringing in so much… oh… oh no… what happened to all the money.
last 5 years
5 years enough to develop a second hand market? I double dare you to go on any 2nd hand market website of these countries and prove it to me. Lmao what an utter bafoon you are.
You can buy EVs secondhand. You’d be hard pressed to find a sub 10k EV “beater” but there are plenty of used EVs in the 15-25k price range in my area, and are equivalent in features to used cars in the same bracket.
You can’t really. The world is a bit bigger than you think and mass adoption global cars like byd dolphin etc. Only started appear 4 years ago. So how can a second hand ev market develop?
Huh, I didn’t realize you can’t buy second hand EVs. Gonna have a tough time explaining the my wife why the Mustang is gone.
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You know other countries have had EVs for just as long as the US?
Nope, prove it then. Show me the numbers I’ll wait. 2nd hand ev market is basically non existent still.
Maybe just try googling it? Nah, you’d probably whine about being told to do that…
https://www.theparking.eu/used-cars/#!%2F%3Fid_energie=2&id_pays=23
Took less than 2 minutes, and there you go, looks like you can view used EV listings in ~60 different countries on that site alone.
What a small world view you must have, to think that used electric cars only exist in the USA…
I feel you. My 20 year old Honda that I bought for $3k cash 3 years ago is reliable and easy to work on.
I do like the idea of not ever buying gasoline again, but I also like the idea of a $32 a month insurance payment and no car note, too…
A second hand ICE car is still better than a new EV though.
It’s amazing how this article ignores this obvious fact and even more amazing that people downvote it.
car from 2010 is almost indistinguishable from a new one.
Don’t forget the shitty electronics and spyware in newer cars.
