I personally do, he actually risked his life to release information about the government spying on people. And there are for sure more advanced ways now. Even your phone is listening.
What Snowden did was objectively good, and he did so at great personal cost, but you should be cautious about making any living person your hero. His politics seem to lean closer to libertarian nut-job than anything else, and it’s very possible he will disappoint you in the future. Case in point, Glen Greenwald broke the Snowden leaks, and I considered him one of my heros for a time,.but these days he sounds more like Tucker Carlson than anyone else. The point is, admire heroic actions, but don’t make people your heroes.
Guy gave up his life to show Americans (and the world) the truth, and we as a society just ignored him.
ignored him.
No we hunted him and he had to hide in Russia.
I’m starting to think the world isn’t even worth saving, since this is how the world treats those that want to save it.
Only a few hundred billionaires. You can take a meaningful percentage of revenge if you’re just careful and get all your ideas 9f effectiveness from anime and ubisoft games.
Need to just let Dalamud fall already and embrace the next umbral era.
We got the GDPR
It’s hard to say he’s a hero, but, what he did was undoubtedly heroic.
If doing something heroic does not make you a hero then what does?
Nope. You can do a great deed and still be a shitty person.
Are you saying Snowden is a shitty person? If so, why, what’s he done?
Nope. That goes for everyone.
I would say inspiring people. Not that anyone should be held to that standard, mind you; I don’t begrudge Edward for fucking off to Russia. One heroic deed is certainly more than most, and I think the world would be a better place if more people rose to the occasion. But to call him a hero? Idk. I personally wouldn’t.
Can you give an example of someone you would call a hero?
I’d say a well known example is Greta Thunberg. She’s consistently stood up for good things at the cost of her health and safety, and while (no offense) nothing has been at the level of exposing a global surveillance apparatus, she has consistently engaged with the world, rolling each action into her public persona, only to use that persona to garner even more attention to her next action. I know Snowden clearly performed an extraordinary act at the cost of his own health and safety; truly a heroic action. And again, I mean this as no slight, dude did more than most; dude is well within his rights to go live as he wants. But, while I would say that Snowden has a consistency to his message, I wouldn’t necessarily say he has consistency to his action.
You think him fleeing to Russia is inconsistent? It seems to me that the organizations he’s exposed are the sort of outfits that would murder someone like him, so in order to stay alive I don’t know what other choices he would’ve had.
Agree on Greta btw, but to continue with the same example, I would say that killing a little girl is less likely, because it would create a martyr. And if she were ever in danger I wouldn’t hold it against her if she chose to disappear somewhere. She’s already done more than enough.
My point being, I don’t necessarily see the difference, and I’m a bit confused at the apparent hesitation to label Snowden a hero. Tempted to assume that the smear campaign is working even in these circles.
Bro if you’re just looking to pick a fight, I’m not engaging
I’m genuinely asking wtf?
Yes. Unequivocally.
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before the transition* or before they transitioned* (not sure which one you meant to write)
And before SHE went to prison, I see no reason to say he other than being a anti-trans shit stain. The timing of the transition doesn’t matter at all, a person who is transsexual should be called the gender they know they are independent on if someone is talking about before their public transition. A person is the gender they feel they are and should be called so for any time in their life unless they have specifically said that they want to be called their biological/sexual gender when others talk about them before their transition.
Transgender is the preferred term fyi.
Was going to write these exact words.
He told the truth about the US spying on it’s citizens. I got nothing respect for him.
No he provided evidence. There were people around the globe who knew about the nsa before Edward Snowden and told the truth. There were articles and videos back in 2008 about the nsa backdoor into windows. The only main difference is he, “proved it.” like you know how someone goes, “yeah! well prove it!!!” He did.
There were people around the globe who knew about the nsa before Edward Snowden and told the truth.
There was a whole fucking Will Smith movie about it in the late 90s. With Gene Hackman, and young Jack Black and Seth Green. Enemy of the State.
But yeah that wasn’t proof, either. But it was the closest to people shouting on the rooftops that this kind of thing was, in fact, happening.
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I think about where we’d be without him, and I think about where we are.
Oddly enough, it’s the same place.
It is not his fault. He raised it several times and proposed alternatives, but the flock continued to choose the same butcher.
There was a site a long time ago called behind the truth. There was an article from somewhere else that explained about the nsa backdoor files that are hard code installed on every windows pc. I knew back in 2008 that the nsa was spying on me.
When the Snowden thing came out I yelled BOUT TIME!!!
conservatives have a wierd obssesion of him being a"traitor" guess exposing conservative hypocrisy is traitorous.
That’s because conservatives think they’re not going to be treated like ‘the plebs’. They think if they’re loyal to the empire, they’ll be exempt from the imperial boomerang when it comes back (it’s here).
Damn right he is. He risked his safety and his life (and still does) to make sure we all know more about how the feds are spying on their own citizens.
He’s a true hero of the American People, that one, make no mistake.
And Europeans, even though many don’t know him, he’s shown how much the US spies on us too.
Seeing how little we actually did, I often wonder if he regrets coming forward.
I don’t think you remember https before. Snowden’s revelations kicked off LetsEncrypt and the much broader deployment of https.
https://www.standwithsnowden.com/news/lets-encrypt-and-snowden.html
I think he is a very sad man. He thought americans cared, he thought if americans knew they were getting fucked over they would do something. He thought american democracy is worth fighting for.
He was wrong.
That should make everyone sad tbh
Americans look happy.
Ignorance is bliss.
that’s because you can’t see their bank accounts.
What do you mean? All that information is available in the next data breach
Yes. You’re a bootlicker if you say otherwise
Exactly. I think FEDS are in here now. One dude was saying he isn’t a hero and a criminal, lol.
What’s the point of asking for opinions if this is what you think of opinions different than yours.
it’s called no stupid questions, not no stupid answers 😂
This, a very good observation, lol!
If people post online they have to have tough skin. Being hidden from the mob you can have the base digest your ideas to see if you have holes in your takes. Negitivity should be welcomed if productive.
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Anonymous_Leaker == SBD - Silent but deadly 🤣
“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”
A real name with a general location can do wonders.
A 2 day old account with that name immediately vague-threatening anyone who answers incorrectly to an opinion question?
The vibe is off
Nothing was threatening, that’s slander. Perhaps, it was misunderstood. I was just giving tips on what not to do. How about a fresh start?
Confirmation
An opinion based on falsities is not really an opinion, like a favourite color, or food and such.
well the timeline we live in has pushed many to spaces where there is a common understanding of the nature of our state. Red flags and normie takes. We don’t all agree on everything but more than not. Welcome to the fedi. Welcome to the fringes. Or the shad ball of deplorables.
People should own their own shame they create based on their ability to compehend their actions… It should motivate their change anything else is kinky. You should not accept shame like a nasty little gift. criminal, was ist das? well sheet I am a criminal too… who isn’t? Straight Thuggin
Lol, gang gang.
I would argue that praising soldiers for their bravery and calling them heroes is a bootlicker thing to do.
I think he blew up his life to reveal something the general public probably should be aware of, but ultimately didn’t care about.
Idk if it was heroic, but it certainly was interesting how he released the info slowly to get catch the government in numerous lies attempting to downplay the truth of the matter. One of the Obama administration’s biggest blights.
the news quickly buried it and allowed propaganda to trash his name, usa surely dont want more shit to come out.
His demand to return to the US and give himself in was if he got a public (non military) trial.
The government’s offer under Obama was that the only guarantee they would provide was that he wouldn’t be subject to torture.
Even if he had negligible effect on state level surveillance, the documents he shared provided some insanely valuable perspective into the capability and power of nation states in the cybersecurity space.
Anything the NSA is or was doing can also be applied to other major countries like China or Russia, and the capability + compute power has only grown in size since.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_disclosures
EDIT: Also in true American foreign interest memery, the top two most heavily surveilled states are Iran and Pakistan.
The USA has stretched ‘technically not torture’ too far for that to be comforting.
Yes, at minimum a martyr.
Watching his disclosure real time while everyone around me ignored it was something else
Yes, at minimum a martyr.
he’s not dead yet.
You’re correct that the word is primarily utilized to describe one who dies but also can be used to describe those who face general suffering or persecution.
Everybody, who puts morals or ethics in front of their own, personal gain, is by default a hero in today’s context. That’s the only weapon we have against authoritarian regimes, capitalism and oligarchy. A weapon, that can only be used once per capita. But don’t be fooled—we are all.
