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aaaaaand he defended labor camps
didnt this guy send gay people to concentration camps?
Everyone forgets that Che was a collage educated upper middle class yuppie who got radicalized on a road trip while trying to “find him self”
So, like, this is basically his crowd when he was younger.
That was his origin, but his history shows that it was kind of irrelevant in the sense that he spent his life supporting revolutions in Latin America
I don’t think it is irrelevant, I think it shows that background does not preclude people from dedicating them selves to causes they believe in. And that ideological purity tests based in social background are counter productive.
Yeah that’s what I meant ^^’
My bro Ho was a cook.
I don’t think Che was the type that would be impressed by somebody who makes memes.
Memes aren’t agitprop?
You call this agitprop?
This is posted on Lemmy where you reach the masses, don’t underestimate that.
Oh buddy. There ain’t no masses involved. Lemmy is where you reach the dozens.
Your comment alone has more than a dozen upvotes. Think about that.
Should my thinking include the possibility that you don’t know what plural words are?
Plural is when more than one
where you reach the masses
That doesn’t make this any better - in fact, it makes it worse.
Famous politicians tend to be narcissistic sociopaths, and looking for validation from a narcissistic sociopath is a dead end.
Imagine using AI as a reference
Imagine worshipping a homophobe during pride month
worshipping
And who exactly is doing this?
Stop peddling horseshit.
That’s what you are… a peddler of horseshit - you know, because that’s what you are doing… peddling horseshit.
Kindly stop that.
I don’t understand the consternation with accepting Che was homophobic.
He was a product of his times.
Is it really that shocking that a man in the 1950s has homophobic views?
You linked a source saying this; he called a gay man a pervert.
Why die on this hill?
Is it really that shocking that a man in the 1950s has homophobic views?
Yeah, I mean, even FDR personally murdered dozens of gay people with a chainsaw.
Oh wait! I made that up! But I bet I can find some problematic statement he said at some point in his life, so I guess that’s fine that I said that.
wait wait wait, i thought the whole point of this was the insinuation that he was homophonic and is blamed for creating gay work camps and committing human rights violations against gay people. this person lays out a detailed rebuttal on the major talking points that would back the accusers assertions… but now it’s “well everyone at the time was homophobic!, so i am still technically right!”
so you do know there is a difference between someone who uses the word gay to mean bad or gross, and someone who commands the creation of concentration camps to commit human rights violations against gay people right?
it’s a little dishonest. is this moving the goal post?
so you do know there is a difference between someone who uses the word gay to mean bad or gross, and someone who commands the creation of concentration camps to commit human rights violations against gay people right?
The latter relies on the former to attain power. We should tolerate neither.
so you don’t recognize the difference then. and your entire point is meaningless.
and i would think you would be happy to know that he hasn’t used such language in quite a few years.
so you don’t recognize the difference then.
Translation: “I want to normalize but not reclaim a slur. How do I spin this so it doesn’t seem so bad?”
you are inventing an enemy of your own choosing instead of being honest with this “discussion”
i never said that, but i can see why you would rather argue someone who acutely believed that then admit you lack the bare basic nuance to separate hitler from an edgy 90’s tween, due to not wanting to actully defend the argument against Che after, from what i can see, is a very reasonable rebuttal.
you must have something against Che, but are unable to articulate why he is bad
Is it really that shocking that a man in the 1950s has homophobic views?
Is that the problem you see here?
Really?
A shitlib waddles into a leftist space, does what every shitlib does whenever Che’s name gets mentioned and craps out the standard shitlib disinformational propaganda about him they always do, and that’s the problem you see here?
You linked a source saying this; he called a gay man a pervert.
I hate to be the one to break it to you… but LQBTQ people get to be perverts too - just like the rest of us.
Oh yeah, he was probably being sex-positive when he called homosexuality perversion /s
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Like honestly, how many dudes born in the 1920’s had any sort of positive view on homosexuality? Crazy how hero worship whitewashes people who weren’t heros.
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>canned yerba mate
What the bloody hell.
fwiw that stuff is waaay more caffeinated than the stuff you make yourself
See, there’s stuff that’s clearly wrong, like:
- Paraguayans drinking it too cold
- folks in northern Paraná drinking it too hot
- Argentinians roasting it too much, until it’s brown
- Riograndenses milling it too thin
But canned yerba? That isn’t just wrong, it’s abomination! Refer to Dante’s Inferno: the 8th circle is for the fraudsters who put cheese on garlic-and-oil pasta and ketchup on pizza, but the 9th one is for the ones who drink canned yerba! It’s treason!!!1one
(I think it should be clear for anyone I’m joking with the fake outrage. Specially given I quite like tereré, i.e. Paraguayan style cold yerba. And unlike Che I’m not some boomer to tell others to stop enjoying what they enjoy. But seriously, I bet he’d be mad at the canned yerba. And most other things in the meme.)
Anyway, it isn’t just about the caffeine content, it’s all that nice ritual and the flavour and everything else.
oh absolutely. my statement was not an endorsement. half a can of that stuff will give you severe jitters
I have no idea what this means, but I like the guy with the shirt of the same drink he’s drinking
This is the alternative timeline where, after meeting Emily, Che became a national socialist.
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