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When I went to Japan I didn’t tip because it was rude.
If I’ll go to USA I won’t tip unless I want to because expecting tips is rude.
Man europe hates Americans as much as they hate Romani people
America has entered the smug European fucking over the locals phase of being a third world country
Fun fact: These states require tippable workers to be paid the full minimum wage:
- Alaska
- California
- Guam
- Minnesota
- Nevada
- Oregon
Source: Department of Labor - Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees
If you can’t tip, don’t go to the restaurant or bar. Those workers depend on their tips. And the restaurant or bar isn’t just gonna make up the difference for the server just because you decided not to tip.
Those Europeans are being dicks.
- Company refuses pay worker enough. Expects tips to cover the gap.
- World Cup visitors refuse to tip. Says company should pay more.
- Worker gets f*cked over from both ends.
- Company still gets their money so they going give a f*ck.
- World Cup visitors get to feel self-righteous.
- Worker is still f*cked over, can’t pay their rent or buy groceries.
Seems like you’re just being cheap assholes to me. A couple idioms come to mind:
- two wrongs don’t make a right.
- when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Do waiters in Europe get paid a living wage and live comfortably? Serious question
Will never happen. All this will do is fuck service workers over.
This is hilarious. If you thought the American capitalists were greedy, pig headed assholes who smugly step on anyone they perceive to be under them while acting like they are helping them, here come the European football fans.
This is a race to the bottom of capitalist assholes trying to get one back on America by further exploiting their proles.
What a gross thing to be proud of!
Self-righteous euro-trash deprive workers of pay they know the workers deserve, in order to stick it to management, who is unaffected by this action. Great work, guys, way to attack the victims of a bad system by making whipping boys of them, I’m sure that their bosses rolling in money from all the extra business are VERY upset. What a bunch of assholes. I’m sure these same pieces of animated fecal matter get upset when tourists to their countries ignore all the local customs and mistreat the workers.
But Europeans do tip. It’s considered good manners to round up the bill (5-10%).
Wow keep it up
We love anti worker Europeans.
If you don’t like tipping culture, don’t screw the worker while inconveniencing the restaurant not at all. Boycott the restaurants unless they pay fair wages. Go to the grocery store. Plenty of good meals to be found there.
If a waiter does not make enough in tips for minimum wage, the businesses is legally required to cover the difference. So let’s stop with the guilt trip. Part of the problem stems from the same servers that oppose doing away with the tip system because they make so much more from it.
If a waiter does not make enough in tips for minimum wage, the businesses is legally required to cover the difference. So let’s stop with the guilt trip.
OH YEA, cuz that worker who gets paid $2.13 per hour is totally going to be able to afford pay a couple thousand in legal fees to take the billion dollar “Mega-Restaurant Corp” to court and wait the 6 months to several years to get judgement and gather their back pay of $200.
Ha.
I’ve served plenty of time in the food service industry and I can tell you that the number of restaurants who actually “make up the difference” to minimum wage in the absence of tips is zero. Even though it’s a legal requirement, I’ve never set foot in a restaurant that actually does this.
No one tracks cash tips. And yes, the servers like it that way. Because cash tips are money under the table and they’re not taxed. But your boss ain’t paying you jack shit over that $2.13 an hour because who is going to prove it?
I believe you when you say this.
But why is that the customer’s problem? You have legal protection should you wish to pursue it. The fact that you accept the situation shouldn’t mean it’s on everyone else to support it.
I grew up in the US so I’m annoyed by tipping but personally wouldn’t boycott it. But i would also have no issue with those that do. My biggest gripe is this push for 18-20% as a new normal.
…it’s only the customer’s problem if they exploit commercial arrangements where gratuity is expected: 15% for table-service ±5% for quality of service…if you don’t wish to engage that system patronise another restaurant; there are more counter-service options available than ever before these days, no gratuity expected…
…for those stupid card-swipe gratuity options, just ignore the recommendations and do your own math, or manually enter zero if it’s not table-service…i can understand foreign travellers feeling overwhelmed by POS systems proffering gratuity at every turn, but that’s a UI problem which can be completely ignored in every instance other than table-service or similar concierge arrangements, and if someone’s patronising the latter sort of establishment they already know where gratuity is expected…
“not only is this a gross system of exploitation, our law and order government is also completely ignoring the few rules they introduced to lessen the suffering”
Yep, that’s exactly the size of it.
$7.25/hour isnt enough to live on. Servers still need the tips to survive. That’s $1,160 gross per month with 4-40 hour weeks.
Sounds like we should raise minimum wage.
and it’s federal law, so applies in all states
If it were enforced, it would
unenforced laws in a country are nobody’s problem but that country’s. One can’t blame tourists for one’s own lack of enforcement.
You seemed to say that federal law provides protection for underpaid workers, and I pointed out that it doesn’t provide that protection. You then blame the country for the lack of protection, which seems tantamount to victim-blaming here - you seem to imply they shouldn’t be working where they are.
I agree that the tourists are not the cause of the issue - but are places that engage in this practice places you want to patronize?
Even if it was enforced to the letter of the law, that’s still only $1,160 gross wages per month (assuming the employee got a full 40 hours for 4 weeks). Federal law stipulates that workers are paid at least US minimum wage which is $7.25/hour. Federal law doesnt say anything about guaranteeing the raised minimum wage rate set by any state legislature.
again, that is your country’s problem, not mine. You’re a first world country, supposedly.
But that requires a personal inconvenience instead of feeling good while saving money.
Visitors staying in hotels also don’t have the luxury of a stocked kitchen to cook meals
If you can’t afford to feed yourself without helping somebody get robbed, then you can’t afford the vacation.
Sounds like the workers can’t afford to work at a restaurant. General strike or find a better job. Tipping culture is cancer.
Boomers in America say the same thing, except to vote harder instead of general strike.
Imagine going into a restaurant and telling the employees there that they’re enjoying a luxury they can’t afford, and should simply get better jobs. And that it’s their fault for not general striking, in a country that fights tooth and nail against unions in ways you don’t understand. American corporations have murdered the families of strikers. Anyhow, that’s why you get this nice cheap holiday.
I bet you had a simple solution for the workers of the 2022 World Cup too.
Time to fight back harder, I guess. Or continue doing nothing.
Username checks out
that’s just moving the responsibility to the masses as usual
How about “I will pay you 100% of the bill in cash, you pocket it and I walk out. And promise me you rise up against those bastards.”?
Give the line cooks free drugs and the waitress iww pamphlets.
The grocery store also exploits.
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why are servers special? what about all the other people making minimum wage?
Be honest; No one that would travel from Europe to the World Cup cares one bit about social issues.
Of course not, the tip is just viewed as an additional surcharge and they don’t want to spend that money. The social issue is very likely, if at all, just an after-the-fact rationalisation/justification.
We’re coming to the US to see the fall of rome, my dude.
The collapse of your nation is our spectacle.
Smile, you’re on TV! :)
If you’re going to the US, you’re supporting whatever is going on over there. It makes you worse than the many people in the US that were born there for no fault of their own, now trying to work against it.
Schadenfreude, while very natural, is bad enough by itself, actually increasing the Schaden is even worse. So I’m not sure exactly what you’d be celebrating, except your own shittyness.
And I’m not from the US, so “my” nation isn’t even the one you’re talking about.
They are only supporting the kind of people who vote Trump. Fuck Europe.
It’s rough seeing how smug europeans are about american fascism when every time you look at european news you see their own fascist splinter groups gaining more political traction with none of them really doing anything about it. Maybe worry about yourselves before worrying about us, right?
Unfortunately, the US regularly intervenes in foreign countries’ affairs, so it’s not possible and geopolitically pretty stupid to not worry about the US. You can worry about both, though.
You can worry about both, though.
The issue is they aren’t. They just complain about the US and ignore their own country moving down that path. When they have the best ability to prevent it from getting bad early.
You know that almost all far right parties in Europe get money from the MAGAts, right?
And MAGAts got their money from far right Europeans. What’s your point?
Uhhuh sure buddy. Lets pretend its spooky secretive europeans funding the american fascism parties.
Yeah. It’s interesting they all working together (despite being nationalistic) sending each other funds, and they all have a very positive view towards Russia.
I’m surprised there people who believe it is all organic.
About a decade ago, Steve Bannon very overtly came to Europe with money from the Koch Foundation openly to “Fund Far-Right parties”.
In many places in Europe the rise of the Far-Right happened after that.
Similarly, in Britain it turned out that most of the social media manipulation in favor of Leave was done by Cambridge Analitica, a British company which was being paid to do it by wealthy Americans.
America actively funds the Far-Right in Europe, especially the anti-EU crowd since EU member nations were a lot easier to push around by America and American interests individually, than they are grouped into the EU (even if parts of the EU, such as the EU Commission, have pretty much sold themselves out to large American companies)
Funded by not Americans.
No being a fucking billionaire South African who can go wherever he wants isn’t an American. There’s multiple of those people, even!
Yeah they love pointing at European fascism but being remarkably blind at drawing the connections themselves.
You are not wrong, but fucking all american shit comes here with a 10 year delay for some reason (obesity, economic crisis, far right/proto fascism, anti vax, neoliberalism, the list goes on and on and on) so maybe that’s why people like to have a go at your country when it looks like you’re beating up yourselves while making it a spectacle.
I hope you’ll finally figure it out, good luck!
So you should see it coming and stop it.
Your country started that. And because your double agent of a president is Putin’s pawn, guess what? Putin received leeway to muddy Europe’s water too, with an unstoppable hybrid war. Every news article, every forum, every community I used to visit is now filled with bots that, as soon as politics is mentioned, chimes in about the “rapist immigrants that are stealing your job” and how “Europe is a failed continent that’ll turn your kids trans/gay”.
It’s hilarious, isn’t it? US and Russia shit on ME and Africa, which causes a huge wave of political and war refugees/economic immigrants to run from the horrors that YOUR country is responsible for.
And instead of us trying to think how to handle the piece of shit to the East, and how to protect our borders from illegal immigration, we have an ex-ally to the West, who is eyeing sovereign European territory.
And you have the audacity to call us smug? No, we are just familiar with history and evil men in power.
And so you take it out on waiters?
I don’t.
Europe invented fascism I don’t care :)
Now, the standard American reply. A snide remark.
Your ignorance is astounding.
Stop with this nonsense Trump is a continuation of a long tradition of American imperialism not a “Russian puppet”.
Yeah, you might be right. Team world police. Look how upvoted the American comment is, but as soon as you point out that they’ve been bombing brown people for the past 60 years, they get cunty
Yeah but then they don’t get to circlejerk about how superior they are.
The problem is that the 340 million people there are incredibly diverse. While a large part would circlejerk about how superior they are, another large part wouldn’t. It’s easy and fun to lump all Americans together, and even mandated by our brains inability to process such large numbers, but doing it always unfortunately alienates the ones that do not exhibit the traits you ridicule.
It’s so much better (and useful) to just ridicule the traits/behaviors themselves instead of the relatively unrelated nationality. There’s nationalists and smug superiority everywhere.
We don’t circlejerk about how “superior” we are, even if it feels that way.
We’re usually dunking on you for being a bunch of violent, dumb fuckheads.
I wouldn’t go there because I don’t have an X or twitter for them to interrogate my opinions… and I’m far too jokey to not upset people and get myself in trouble with people in “authority”.
I’ve gotta wait out the American decline until some time after Balkanisation and they start removing some of the guns. Honestly, it seems about as sensible as going to do tourism in the congo.
Join in with us, pass the popcorn then.
You won’t see less guns following a civil war.
Why’d you assume he’s from the US?
Jesus Christ you clap for your own demise.
Sounds of cheering when the America is glassing the sandbox
The boomerang is coming home and the schadenfreude is too enticing.
Not a single one?
Can’t support corrupt organizations and regimes and also claim to be socially aware. Mutual exclusivity.
No ethical consumption under capitalism. Can believe workers should be paid by the business owner and not by patron tips and believe that going to a world cup match to watch your country play your favorite sport is no worse than shopping at a big box store or paying your landlord.
It’s a big world mate and I can’t always be aware of every shitty thing going on at all times. Not only for logistical reasons, but also for mental health reasons.
I didn’t state that you must know everything, but you can’t claim to be aware of social issues if you’re willfully ignorant.
I don’t think the definitive no one is true. While a lot of them couldn’t care less. I’m sure there are some that do.
