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Only if you aren’t a right-wing retard.
I think the real issue is that the laws for citizens and consumers are enforcing green policy while letting corporations and the wealth elite largely escape consequences.
Force companies to handle EoL for their plastic pollution, for example, instead of forcing that responsibility solely on citizens and infrastructure. Recycling is largely a scam.
Make public transportation so cheap that driving a car in the city is impractical by investing in good infrastructure rather than increasing cost for ownership that largely benefits manufacturers and government.
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Politicians work for oligarchs in the world
Always great to see someone with a solution.
what is your solution ?
If the problem is politicians, then Liquid Democracy is a good solution.
That when you put the politicians in a blender?
Incoming another few decades of debate over what should be done, until everyone cooks alive one summer and the debate is finally over.
There is no debate. Just facts and people in denial.
The main issue is that the “3 Rs of Sustainability” are supposed to be in priority order
And fucking every gov is focusing on the least important of the 3, and passing the buck on to the consumer instead of taxing and fining the producers
- Reduce - Reduce the amount of waste created in the first place
- Reuse - Make it so what cannot be recycled it’s designed for reuse, and provide facility to do so (don’t sell a plastic bottle of detergent, have places people can refill their own containers and sell by the liter)
- Recycle - Recycle it
But mister green chief the green private jets are not going to fly themselves!
Do we really have a problem with deniers?
Don’t we actually have an issue with decision paralysis in eu?
Both. The deniers vote in deniers and bad actors who then are another sledgehammer on glass dome of carbon neutrality
But really how many are deniers? There is probably only a couple in the EU parliament even in national parliaments. That’s not a real problem.
It’s definitely an issue. And the fossil fuel industry is working hard to sow doubt. And doubt always works in their favour.
it is a real problem tha AfD in germany has climate denial written in their program every year and they are the 2nd strongest party in the bundestag
“Electric car mandate is ideological madness”
“Biofuel should play a role in the energy transition”
Those are from the prime ministers of the first and third EU country by population. It is better I do not quote opposition parties because starting from “CO2 is good for plants” there is a giant collection of deranged statements on the topic.
Definitely deniers. They are being influenced by the oligarchy to keep their outdated industries alive. They don’t give a fuck because by the time this world becomes unliveable for the plebs, robots will be doing their bidding why they sit in their air-conditioned homes and shit. Climate deniers and greedy cunts are just useful idiots.
We have both unfortunately
No, I don’t think it’s decision paralysis. There are two separate issues at play here:
- Do people really think climate change is an issue?
- Who should be responsible for fixing it?
So obviously you have stupid people still thinking it’s all lies and we don’t have to do anything.
The problem is that even people that agree climate change is an issue and we should do something don’t want to be the ones that will have to sacrifice anything to fix it. They will say that we shouldn’t do anything until China becomes 100% green or that the rich should first stop flying in their private jets. EU can’t force China to do anything and doesn’t want to tax rich people out of existence so normal people oppose any policy aimed at limiting emissions. But EU is doing things. They slowly improve energy mix and push green transition. They simply have to move very slowly because if they do too much they will hand over power to populists.
My guess is everyone (politicians and elites) simply hope general public will get desperate, give up and accept they will have to pay the price of the transition. Looking at this summer we’re not that far away from it.
I would say the real problem is people trying to appease climate change, which obviously doesn’t work, you can’t negotiate with climate change. These are the people who say climate change is real and then block or weaken any legislation to reduce the impact of climate change. People like the current German government who advocate for gas heating and combustion engines.
IME, the “deniers” are the ones too old to suffer through the consequences. Infighting is the EU’s biggest problem. Always has been
What’s up with the quotes on the ‘lies’? 🤨 Is there a doubt they are indeed lies?
People can’t even agree if the earth is round or not.
It indicates that that is the literal word that Ribera used, i.e. it’s a quote, not a paraphrasing.
There’s a doubt whether they could write it without being prosecuted by the incredibly wealthy people who are lying and the companies they are lying on behalf of.
No shit?
I haven’t met anyone who denies climate change in over a decade.
The problem is that the powerful don’t have enough incentive to do anything about it, and average people aren’t angry enough for some reason.
Good for you, I am fairly certain around 40% of my county either outright deny man-made climate change or believe the EU does not have to change, because China and the USA havn’t changed.
Which country would that be?
County, Vorpommern-Greifswald in Germany. Most north-eastern county in Germany
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The problem is that the powerful don’t have enough incentive to do anything about it
They did proceed to deny the importance of doing something about it. Which is an untruth.
And next, they will tell you that it’s too late to do something about it - another lie.
