Whoever thought that this machine that can predict next word in a sentence, next sentence in a conversation etc. should be used in place of all human intellectual work… should have his elderly care taken over by LLM.
What you have to understand is that the CEOs and upper management of these companies genuinely believe that human intelligence is just a predictive model. They are so divorced from humanity, from actual people, that they only trust each other, and even then, barely. Some psychologist posited that consciousness is in part predictive, then Curtis Yarvin latched onto that half-baked headline and wrote on it, and then these sick fucks all had the same ideas: That they each are always the smartest man in the room, that their genuinely shallow creativity is deeper than anyone else’s, and that if the next guy who they consider almost as smart as themselves says it’s because humans are just complex llm’s then it must be true; that if they are barely smarter than this shittu technology, then all of humanity must be at or below it.
I don’t need to know any CEO to find a person who thinks they are smarter or better than everyone else. Why americans gave so much power to those idiots is beyond me though.
Also - post title is disingenuous. Current wave of AI is an engineering marvel, marketed dishonestly and used haphazardly.
If I had their money, I would just study every subject, using every coach, until I physically can’t learn more.
I think that if you think you are better than other people you are then obligated to provide care and support for those you view as lessers. Then the very greatest that a person could be, and achieve, would be to care for and nurture the most people.
That conclusion requires a combination of empathy and compassion, characteristics people who become CEOs who rarely have.
The ones that do often get outmaneuvered by their peers and get kicked out.
AI is the idea of putting a million monkeys in a room with a typewriter and waiting for Shakespeare.
The smart people already knew the monkeys would just starve to death. The business majors are just now figuring that out.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.
The ten thousandth monkey typed out the word “the” , fund them everything they’ll type out Shakespeare!
Dude, the math says it would be cheaper to fund research into necromancy to revive the actual Shakespeare than this.
Is there a petition?
Maybe a kickstarter or something?
I’ll buy that for a dollar!
To be or not to be, that is…
Yeah no shit Sherlock. AI chat bots are just a way to market and sell a dystopian surveillance apparatus to the masses wrapped in the guise of it will right your bullshit corporate emails and messages for you all the while the government and the corporations are fucking you in the ass.
It was a barely functional technology that provides convenience and laziness well hiding it’s true purpose, Machine learning algorithms for facial recognition license prints tracking making it efficient and relatively economical to spy on and control an entire population.
what makes you think advances in LLMs have anything to do with ML for Computer vision? If you wanted the latter, you would’ve gotten that way cheaper than by training on reddit text.
12 upvotes for this thin conspiracy theory, congrats Lemmy.
If you think those datacenters being built are for LLMs only, I have a bridge to sell you.
ML and LLMs both need massive compute to work with the data sets involved.
He’s sadly right… My wife is Chinese, she watches AI Chinese dramas and she has told me that most of China watch AI dramas. And Gen Z watch AI, Everyone younger than 30 relies on AI.
Now before you downvote me, I’m 37 and I’ve worked in IT since I was 19… AI gives me nothing I can’t find for myself. The only time I’ve used AI was when chat GPT was fresh and new and I told it to be more sarcastic and snarky in it’s answers and I argued with it for 2-3 mins before I got bored.
Humans are much better at arguing with me and being sarcastic to me.
I don’t care for AI, Turn off all the air conditioners and AI burns out.
“AI gives me nothing I can’t find for myself.” True, but that’s the point.
From a worker standpoint, while you’re researching that thing you can find for yourself, someone of equal skill to you that is leveraging AI has solved 3 of those issues. And someone with more skill has solved 10. And someone with lesser has either crashed the network, or solved that same 1.
From a personal use standpoint: is the value of creation in the journey and the learning? For some it is. For others it being able to remove barriers and obstacles to create a new website you’ve been wanting to, or planning out a garden, or brainstorming an idea.
You’ve used it once 2+ years ago and wrote it off completely. Do you also still do your laundry with a wasboard and clothesline? Is the Internet just a fad also?
It’s has value. It also has large risk. But pandoras box is open. Those that refuse to leverage and learn it will be at a disadvantage.
From a worker standpoint, while you’re researching that thing you can find for yourself, someone of equal skill to you that is leveraging AI has solved 3 of those issues.
And I’ve rejected their code for unnecessary complexity and issues they overlooked all three times so actually nothing was solved. AI does not increase productivity. At all. Study after study after study has confirmed this. AI can spew out what sounds reasonable to people of low skill. That’s it.
I don’t use AI, but I’ve watched enough other people who’s intelligence I used to respect devolve into token monkeys who understand nothing anymore.
That’s why was was careful to say engineers of equal skill with and without. I think you hate read and ignored that part. I did not say jreng+claude code is now a principal architect…
No I read that. My experience is that relative skill doesn’t matter. Introduce AI and you’ll churn out slop, not solve problems
You’ve used it once 2+ years ago and wrote it off completely. Do you also still do your laundry with a wasboard and clothesline? Is the Internet just a fad also?
I just don’t get why people like you exist. You guys have the stupidest fucking arguments for why not wanting to use the regurgitation machine that murders the environment and causes people to kill themselves is bad.
But, like, do you still use NFTs? That was the future. It was so the future. Same fucking arguments from the same fucking mouth-breathing dipshits.
And using AI does not even make you faster or better at what you do. It can increase output, and it can cause you to do a shit job, and it can falate your ego so you think you are soooo much better and bigger than everyone else, you big strong muscly man, you. You’re basically just saying that workers can never and should never have any fucking downtime, ever. They cannot stop. They must always, always produce, more and more. And, like, fuck all the way off. You don’t need to output more. You do not need to be faster. You don’t need AI, even if it was as good as people pretend it is, which it is not!
Because AI sucks. It isn’t good at anything other than replicating an amalgamation of the data that is fed into it. Anyone that says it is good at any other thing is just shit at that specific thing and doesn’t know any better. LLMs are just huge giant matrices full of coefficients matching language segments. They don’t know jackshit. They have relatively small context windows compared to even the dumbest motherfucker on this planet and people working on making LLMs better are running out of shortcuts to make them better. The money they have been lent needs to start making it back. And they can’t make money because they are subsidizing everyone using AI with that venture capital because it still hasn’t made a fucking dime yet.
Don’t worry, guys. We just need to keep feeding more data into it! It’s so much better, guys, I swear! This one won’t hallucinate all the time, bro, I swear! Just one more model, it’s so close!
I feel like your projecting. My comment didn’t approach anything close to the unmedicated fantasy in which you seemed to have made up and responded to.
Nfts, no downtime, and anti-worker? Really? Not even gemini would hallucinate that out of my comment.
The world is accelerating faster than most of us are comfortable with. The future is bleak and we absorb utter chaos daily in the 24hr news cycle. It’s exhausting
I’m sorry that pandoras box is open. But it’s not going away.
I’m not naive enough to think we’re going back to a world without a machine that statically produces regurgitated characters that happen to match an exceedingly large class of common problems that people are looking for help with, whether it’s an over burdened worker at soulless corporation, an 18yo with an idea but not the background, a 21year assessing if the lease for their first apartment has red flags, or a mom making a video game based on her son’s stuffed animal named slappy.
Unfortunately, even with their small context windows, useless matrices, and lowly statistical representions of language segments, they are better at debugging, brainstorming, “coding”, and answering questions than a lot of people, let alone “the dumbest mother fucker on the planet”.
Unfortunately, even with their small context windows, useless matrices, and lowly statistical representions of language segments, they are better at debugging, brainstorming, “coding”, and answering questions than a lot of people, let alone “the dumbest mother fucker on the planet”.
That’s why those people do not code or do those other things, and, surprisingly, most of those people don’t suddenly think they are now better than a person who has done… Just… The smallest amount of actual training to become good at that thing.
You got that AI psychosis in you, buddy. Ask your AI friend for the nearest person to get you the hell away from it.
If only telling you how brainwashed you are would actually fox things. Let me know when you have enough tokens to reply to me.
There you go projecting again. Pushing a narrative about how I must feel about people that you push as being dumb.
It is hilarious how a comment where I say AI is pandoras box, aka the mechanism that spawned all of the world’s evil, and conceeding it has risks and flaws, all of a sudden makes me the world’s biggest AI sycophant because I say it has value.
As you grow older, or if you watch the movie Inside Out to completion, you will learn people can have multiple complex feelings about things. Only on reddit, and this place it seems, must someone have the most extreme all good or all bad else they’re the worst thing that ever existed. I truely hope you find the help you most surely need.
I agree its pandoras box but I disagree about the quality of life it brings. What it is creating is larger electric bills that is strangling the lower class, killing consumer low end computers which also harms the lower class, creating a dependency which will likely increase in price, lowering childrens critical thinking (according to studies private schools are not being as affected), killing jobs, oh and the fuck ton of effect it has on climate change which also affects the lower class more.
Yeah but you see, everyone who’s gun-ho on AI doesn’t seem to be bother to give two fucks. It’s bat-shit people are chasing this like their lives depend on it. They don’t give a fuck about the lower class, they never have, it’s a new shiny toy, and until something catastrophic happens, nothing is going to change.
Eat the rich.
Yes. I agree those are all terrible. And I agree with your assessment of almost all of them. But I’m not naive enough to think that we can put the evils back in and switch back to a non-ai world. We live, we grow, we adapt. This is the future, no matter how bleak it is.
I didn’t say it improves quality of life. I said it can lower barriers of entry to some things, and it can improve a workers productivity when you compare two workers of equal skill.
improve a workers productivity when you compare two workers of equal skill.
It makes you seem more productive in most metrics that corporate america seems to measure, but that doesn’t really mean anything. Even if most of what the current AIs produce would be good quality (and it’s not, its mediocre at best), one hallucination costs you more time than everything it saved you.
Hard disagree. Random utility scripts, most, terraform, and ansible, brainstorming architecture decisions, throwing an error log at it and spitting back the plausible solution. All faster. But the engineer needs to be capable of knowing when it’s plausible or not.
I don’t think replacing sr engs with interns+claude is the solution. But many sr+principal engineers can be accelerated on a majority of tasks. That’s why was careful to say equally skilled engineer with/without.
From a worker standpoint, while you’re researching that thing you can find for yourself, someone of equal skill to you that is leveraging AI has solved 3 of those issues. And someone with more skill has solved 10. And someone with lesser has either crashed the network, or solved that same 1.
This is complete fantasy. I’ve personally watched like 10 SEs decide LLMs are the best things since sliced bread and talk up how much more productive they are and without exception they’re all to varying degrees just worse at their job. Same for every other role I’ve observed as well, though I have fewer data points.
For some it is. For others it being able to remove barriers and obstacles to create a new website you’ve been wanting to.
You’ve used it once 2+ years ago and wrote it off completely. Do you also still do your laundry with a wasboard and clothesline?
Okay but one of those is an artform and the other is physical labor.
Programming doesn’t really equate to physical labor like that.
No, but it helps design. How big of a box. What vegetables thrive together. What ones should be kept apart. What spacing. How much root depth. Can ground hogs get at it. Here look at this picture. Looks like a tomator disease, what do you think?
Programming equates to architecture. It equates to system design. You can have good (non-sycophantic) conversations about what, why, push back when it’s wrong, agree when it’s right.
And if it’s for a personal project, then for some people the labor and the learning is the value. For others maybe it’s showing the end product to their 6year old that dreamt of a game where a dolphin was flying in space with ninjas trying to attack it.
Are you responding to something specific from this article? I feel like we might have read completely different articles.
My wife is Chinese, she watches AI Chinese dramas and she has told me that most of China watch AI dramas. And Gen Z watch AI, Everyone younger than 30 relies on AI.
If it’s not that, I’m seeing people almost everywhere hunched on their phones, watching AI-generated summaries of… what? soap opera episodes and whole movies. And those people complaining about the low quality of education when they’re so fucking focused much on getting a piece of paper just to be hired even for a department store attendant.
It is no more different with the gold rushes to California, Oregon, and Alaska, where the real winners are the merchants selling pickaxes and work overalls.
It’s different in so far as we didn’t invest a trillion dollars in giant strip mines that destroyed these states.
Pre roasted coffee took off at this time.
If only the mainstream media would have said this since 2023. We maybe even have dodged the bullet called the Trump second term, but now we’re heading towards a global financial collapse.
Efficiency deserves more attention than hype.
paywall removed: https://archive.ph/J3VLi
Now I can read the Atlantic for free while also DDOSing people. The future is now.
I think ive missed a reference, how does that link contribute to ddosing?
Wild stuff, thanks
For sure, you’re welcome.
Here here! well said!
Many dystopian science fiction books have already become reality. Look at “Enemy of the State” for example.
Heck, back in like what 1971? Enders game predicted the whole internet Influencer concept.
fwiw Ender’s Game was published in 1985. (Based on a short story from 1977, but that story didn’t have that subplot with Peter and Valentine.)
Thanks for that. I’m not sure where I got the idea. It was from the early 70s.
I bet we could find some story in the New Wave of science fiction that presaged influencers. Bug Jack Barron comes close (though it’s about a talk show host).
I’m a little skeptical of the idea that science fiction predicts things, tho. If you have a million stories out there, one of them’s bound to resemble whatever you’re claiming it predicted.
Voice to text strikes again!
Ah, got it! I can remove the link or leave it up for others’ reference. Let me know if you have a preference.
If you want, it’s no skin off my back. This whisper voice to text that I have on my Android is working pretty well, but there will be similar errors in the future.
So far it’s the best one I’ve found. I don’t have to specify punctuation or anything. Basically what you’re reading is exactly what it came out with. It beats the keyboard, which for some reason keeps putting C’s and V’s where I put spaces, and I have to go back and modify everything.
In that case I’ll leave it because it may help someone else. Cool about the Android voice to text. Do you mean you can whisper and it works?
wisper is the name of the ai/tech that drives the translation. there are implementations for other platforms. i got one on Linux, but haven’t really used it yet. it does work when there are other noises in the room.
This is an example of me using it in a noisy bar. The first paragraph was typed because I wasn’t sure it would work. But it works fine.
Cool, thank you!
Man I swear, AI is like astrology, people have strong opinions about it but haven’t done any research into what it actually is. So much more nuanced than ‘AI bad!’
- AI bad
- Astrology 100% superstitious bullshit
And how much research have you done into astrology? Point made.
Burden of proof is on Astrology claiming to be real.
Real what? If you believe in seasons, you believe in astrology
Please, I would love to hear you explain this. I need to hear you explain this. How so?
The analogy you picked really doesn’t match your point at the end, unless you somehow think astrology is nuanced (it isn’t, it’s bullshit).
I see, and what makes you the decider of bullshit?
Well you see I’m a Virgo, and as a Virgo…
How many bites of a shit sandwich do you meed to take before you know what you’re eating?
AI is like astrology
Please keep going.
If Ramsa’s birthday is Capricorn then he does up to 50% more DMG to certain bosses.
Thousands of years of research into a short interpretation
Please tell me more about astrology as a millenary discipline.
Astrology is a millennia-old discipline built from the systematic observation of planet and star cycles and their perceived correspondence with earthly events. It developed alongside astronomy, mathematics, calendrical science, agriculture, medicine, and political forecasting across several civilizations. You don’t have to accept its interpretive claims, but reducing it to newspaper Sun signs is a bit like reducing literature to a fortune cookie
You don’t have to accept its interpretive claims
What’s the value, then? It sounds like its results are correlations between loosely interpreted measurements, i.e. two identical sets of observations may correlate to different events, depending on subjective post hoc interpretations.
Is that what you mean when you compared this to AI? Because LLMs are stochastic parrots?
I think the comparison is that both fields are often misunderstood through oversimplified descriptions. “Astrology is just Sun signs” and “LLMs are just stochastic parrots” are both reductionist summaries that leave out a lot of the interesting discussion. Whether either ultimately succeeds at what it claims is a separate question.
As for astrology itself, I became interested through Carl Jung, who viewed astrology as a symbolic system that reflected recurring psychological patterns and wrote about it in relation to archetypes and synchronicity ( Man and his symbols .) Astrology provides a symbolic language for thinking about cycles, temperament, motivation, and meaning.
I think you misunderstood. I don’t believe calling LLMs “stochastic parrots” is accurate, but I think that dismissing them as such puts them at the same level as astrology, in the sense that both would be useless in order to predict an outcome based purely on their inputs.
In other words, I do think that LLMs have some value to them, even when issues like “hallucinations” will never be resolved.
On the other hand, I don’t think astrology is valuable at all. There hasn’t been a single accurate prediction made by astrologers that could be replicated within the same conditions at a different time. Descriptions of phenomena in astrology are also deliberately vague, so they could be “massaged” to fit the outcomes. Astrology is, at its core and necessarily, post hoc, so suggesting that it is a misunderstood discipline based on actual science is just naive.
And to add, we know modern astrology isn’t astronomically accurate (though people practice sidreal rather than tropical.) Ptolemy (2nd century) knew the equinoxes precessed relative to the stars, but he argued that the zodiac should remain anchored to the equinoxes and solstices because the meanings of the signs derive from the seasonal cycle rather than the constellations.
No, it would be more like reducing religious literature to fortune cookies, which is entirely comparable and an apt analogy.
Large Language Model (LLM) is like astrology, Mashine Learning (ML) is like astronomy. I hate that they both refer to as AI.
Neither of them really fit, but AI is a very marketable term. So basically anything that does stuff on a computer will be labeled that when someone wants to sell it badly enough.
Lemmy is the wrong place to be if you want nuance. Most people here aren’t accustomed to thinking for themselves.
That’s exactly what Baldur Bjarnason explains in his well-researched book “The Intelligence Illusion”. I can highly recommend it!
if only AI companies optimized their AI to run on less compute (in the data centers)
But it’s so good at programming if you already know how to program! Surely that’s worth burning the planet and crashing the world economy??
Actually still no
https://github.com/JustVugg/colibri
Everyone was desperate to be first because capitalism. But we are getting good models without the insane build out requirement. Which will be hilarious to leave the cunts holding the bag. Not that the planet is better for it in the end.
The engine is a single C file (c/glm.c, ~2,400 lines)
That file is almost 6k lines. The style also makes my eyes bleed. Why do people pretend stuffing 6k lines of code with almost no whitespace and meaningless variable names into a single file is a good thing? I’ve seen this a lot recently
Assuming the vars are all really short, it sounds like the same idea behind Webpack’s (et al) minification & mangling to achieve tiny performance gains everywhere it can. Which might mean there’s a dev version that isn’t squashed and ugly, but doesn’t make it to us…?
C is compiled; minification won’t make it faster.
Yeah this article is already outdated and poorly researched
~1 token per second (storage bound gen4 nvme)… Some of us have places to be.
Don’t get me wrong. Its impressive that it can run at all, but honestly the usecase is exceedingly narrow. You’d have better results with a structured quantized gpu-only gemma or qwen workflow. Quality over quantity, rely on validation and a structured process: lots of cross-model review and iteration loops with spec and test driven dev. You could probably get a working alpha by the time colibri set up the environment.
Yeah I’m just beginning my local AI journey on a 5080, tried Qwen3.6 27b Q4 and was getting like 1tps because of the vram overflow. Ran it over night at it was still chewing on generating a prompt for a sub agent when I got up in the middle of the night until it simply ended in some kind of “fetch failure” lol. I think I gave it something too large to tackle, but either way 1tps is kinda garbage.
You could use the 35B MoE model, tune it a little bit and get much better results. I have a 5060 ti and 70-80 tok/s are the norm
That’s what I generally use. I wanted to see if I could use the 27b to “review” what the 35b put out. The 35b has been working pretty well, but it’s not very thorough. I asked it to make a program and then 27b was like “this is a skeleton, there are folders but no contents.” Lol
These models generally are not capable enough to do one-shot vibe coding. They are pretty good as coding assistants if you tell them exactly what you want and let them focus on a specific aspect/part of code, not the whole thing at once.
Using an agent framework (I like Kilo on VSCode but there are many others) you can start with a planning session to let the model find out what you want to build. Then you let it write that gist into AGENTS.md and double check if that is what you want. AGENTS.md will be loaded into the context automatically so the model has a solid base of understanding for everything you do afterwards. Once you have that, building in vertical slices on top of that skeleton is much easier. Another neat trick is to ask the model a few questions about the current code base (if there is any…) at the beginning of a session, e.g. "How does feature x work in the current code? ". This primes the model for what you are about to do. All this is obviously a bit more work than just vibe coding away, but it lets you keep in control of the code and helps in being alert for errors these models (and all LLMs in general) will inevitably produce.
Thanks for the tips! What I had started doing the other day was having one session where it reviewed the code and created a document explaining what the program did in technical detail and then in another session I asked it to review that document before attempting anything with the program. Agent programs and harnesses are the next thing I need to start learning for sure.
Is that quantized? 4 bit Qwen 3.6 can get 22tps on a 1060.
It’s the q4 quantization, but it requires 20+GB vram and my 5080 only has 16
My framework 13 with shared RAM runs qwen quite well
Wow I’m starting to feel bad about that time I asked AI to make a joke about scatology & eschatology sounding similar.
Look, if you know a way to convert a PDF to text with less than 500GB of VRAM and 2000W of power used for twenty seconds, I’m all ears.
Runs on anything that runs Linux:
NAME pdftotext - Portable Document Format (PDF) to text converter (version 3.03) SYNOPSIS pdftotext [options] PDF-file [text-file] DESCRIPTION Pdftotext converts Portable Document Format (PDF) files to plain text. Pdftotext reads the PDF file, PDF-file, and writes a text file, text-file. If text-file is not speci‐ fied, pdftotext converts file.pdf to file.txt. If text-file is ´-', the text is sent to stdout. If PDF-file is ´-', it reads the PDF file from stdin.Upvoted for the sheer mic drop moment. Well done.
Ai agents use tools like this tho?
I was suprised when chatgpt used ffmpeg and yt-dlp to check a frame of a video idk if it actually suceeded or lied
I hope this is sarcasm >_<
Foes it works on scanned image PDF?
I’m…but…no…wait….
We’re not going to make it.
No, we aren’t.
.djvu
Is that a new fringe edge compute mixture of experts from Antro-GPTx? Sounds gemini-flipiti-rad!
We are repeating an old pattern in computing: throw more hardware at the problem until efficiency becomes impossible to ignore. Bigger models have delivered remarkable gains, but they’re increasingly expensive. The next breakthroughs may come less from adding parameters and more from smarter architectures, better algorithms and more efficient inference.
Except there likely won’t be a lot of further breakthroughs if we burn down our planet faster than we already do.
This is all an expenditure of vast amounts of energy for literally no gain for anybody except a handful of billionaires and their corporations.
That’s literally exactly what Chinese researchers are doing at DeepSeek and they’ve built frontier models with that philosophy
DeepSeek has really led the way here, especially as they are a bit more hardware constrained. Plus they openly publish their findings and release open source models, so high hopes there.
It’s probably China’s play to pop the AI bubble, but I’m all for it (:
I wonder what all is in the deepseek code that is malicious. I’d like to try it but don’t want a million Mb/s of tracker shit across my network and can’t run it myself.
AFAIK, their open models are distributed as weights, not executables and are therefore not able to start network connections / run code. There is of course tool-calling functionality but that just works by having the model output a special pattern and having something external run predetermined commands based on that.
The beauty of it is that it doesn’t need tracker shit. It works to destroy the US AI bubble even without anything malicious within.
And considering how hard the US researchers have been trying to control the output of their general LLMs, with little success, why would the Chinese have found a way before everyone else even thinks it’s possible?
They are open source models, nothing malicious about them. I’d be much more careful about where you run your agents on. The wrong prompt can even make a non-malicious model misbehave.
