I think AI won’t save us here, our base is broken. The internet is kind of shattered, most of the pages on the wild have broken and even wrong links. Divs doings the work of buttons, the semantics are totally lost. This, at least for me, feels like a good view point on what we can fix first, and with luck have a better internet.
All feedback is welcome.
pages links divs
Sounds like the world wide web is broken. The Internet works fine still.
Bring back IRC
Jokes aside, XMPP could be something usefull for us in this day and age.
Fair point. But very little nitt-picky, right?
No? It’s an entire ecosystem people just pretend isn’t there. The Internet is a lot more than just websites
You are so angry, do you want a hug?
No idea where you’re reading anger in that plain statement.
the semantics are totally lost
If you are talking semantic on the linguistic view… Yeah a lot of people can read, but can’t understand the other. If you are talking about html, you are also correct… You know what… You are just correct…
Dammit, this reply is already contracting myself!
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This is the issue with using dynamic frameworks. Dynamically generated websites driven by JS by people who design for the GUI first rather than the actual source generated to be rendered. Form over function. Its a lack of focus on the architecture of the web and more on what we feel it shpuld be despite what it doesnt want to be.
The tech bros, or how I like to call the Theos online have a very misguided view, they have a specific interest, and a specific point. Usually to sell something.
From the last almost 15 years in the work I can say that maybe 10% of the products would ever need the JS framework of the day, mostly could be just a static page with some island of interactivity and some over the wire server render.
Things that we learned in 2000s with Ruby on Rails, and yet we reinvented the wheel.
So, it’s just sad to see the that current stat is yet broken, the tooling isn’t there, and worse, with AI we will have even more on this bad average.
not a web dev. If I did want to make some minimal fast loading pages that don’t look awful, is there a decent framework out there that will do the styling? A bit of html is fine but learning CSS is just not on my to do list.
Saying you want to make a web page without learning css is like saying you want to play basketball without shooting hoops. Learn CSS.
Depends on how much do you want to tradeoff on this.
The “easiest” way will always incur in some extra files, or unused shite. When I started, Bootstrap were the only acceptable thing, yesterday were Tailwind, and soon will be “what the AI spits on your face”…
So, a custom styling will always be “best options”, but this depends on your level of understanding on the web, and if CSS isn’t on your bucket list, leave for the ones that have this on the bucket list.
(Sorry for not having a silver bullet for this)
HTMX is pretty good. It gives you markup that extends HTML for things like async loading, and incorporates some features that you’d otherwise have to do using Javascript or CSS.
My “to go” tool of the day is Alpine.js, fills a similar void, but the focus is on the client side, the botton idea is the same.
If we’re talking just text content with not really any interactive elements (beyond a navigation menu), then look into “static site generators”.
They allow you to write your blog posts or whatever in Markdown. You can pick out a theme. And then they’ll generate HTML+CSS+JS, which you can push onto a web server.
Not sure what you mean with loading pages, but maybe you should look into classless CSS for a minimal look. One of my favorites is Water.css when I just want to have something other than the browser default HTML styling, but there are many more.
naaaaaaaaaaah
Bring back Chad Vader
