op is being an obtuse dickhead but so are you.

jumping the shark is more or less the exact opposite of that

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark

wym? all humans are perfectly rational actors operating in a complete ideological, moral, economic, and social vacuum; therefore literally everything boils down to personal responsibility and natural consequence.

except for me of course.

this is the most american thing i’ve ever heard from the eu

i must be in a different version of reality because the person sitting next to me playing the game on their steam deck right now is calling bullshit on a steam deck user in this thread calling me a liar about the bugs i mentioned seeing, and i have in fact engaged with multiple people here and come to some amount of consensus about at least a half dozen specific complaints i listed.

the meme is about how i’m frustrated at feeling incredibly misled by fans of the game grossly overstating and out right misrepresenting the amount and kind of work that’s been done to the game, and dogging me about playing a game i was quite clear about not liking and why (and it’s not about bugs).

you’re all whining about me telling you what not to like when the meme is about feeling like it wasn’t good enough that i played and disliked it once already. i have 40 hours in that game because of being made to feel like i wasn’t enjoying it because i was doing it wrong.

the meme is literally about being frustrated at feeling like it’s not allowed to not engage with a popular thing that you don’t find enjoyable. yeah i’m gonna react poorly to essays in my inbox about how i’m a liar for saying i saw a bug and demanding specs and telling me i’m stupid and shit.

bruh my inbox has been exploding and only like one person in this thread actually asked me to list specific things. most people here are putting shit in my mouth about the launch bugs for some reason, many more are condescending to me and telling me i’m crazy and irrational, and yet more are simply throwing shit because i had a take they didn’t agree with.

“the combat system is balanced poorly” was pretty clearly my meaning, like in no world should it take nine bullets to the face to kill an average dude, it’s an outright ridiculous consequence of the way that the combat math works. that is concrete, i have identified a thing that exists outside of and apart from my feelings and what seems to be wrong with it besides vaguely “i just don’t like it”. see how that’s different from the “MY VAGUE OPINION IS THE ONLY OBJECTIVE FACTUAL TRUTH” stance you’re trying to pin to me? it speaks volumes about you that you conflate critique with opinion and concreteness with objectivity so broadly and nuancelessly.

i’ve said multiple times throughout this thread that the bugs are far from my only complaint now, nor were they at launch. yes the bugs have been fixed, the bugs were not what was causing the poor experience. people who i described my experience to swore up and down to me that the game is different now, and it was so similar an experience overall as to be identically poor for broadly the same set of reasons. i have people in this thread calling me a liar about the bugs i experienced, meanwhile i literally have a person who rates the game as a favorite sitting next to me playing the game on a steam deck calling bullshit on those comments. the general reaction here has mostly been emotional retaliation, tone policing, and disingenuous gaslighting like your pedantic essay about how i’m a liar because of things you decided that i said.

the “lampshading how hacky and bad my story is makes it clever and self-aware actually” trope is the entire conceit of the game’s central character?

that’s hilarious and sad, everything i learn about the parts of the game i haven’t played make it sound like it gets so much worse.

dude my library is full of games i played for a couple hours and came away able to praise even though i didn’t like it. i disliked the Bioshock games for example, but i can acknowledge they good games with a lot of merit and you won’t catch me going off and talking shit. GTA 5 is a piece of shit but i have over a hundred hours because the over the top rudeness and mayhem make it enjoyable - because of my personal taste. i’ll leave it to your clearly superior and highly developed intellect to puzzle out what’s different about cp77.

Nobody is telling you you have to like it.

a LOT of people heckled me for a long time about saying i didn’t like it when they asked if i’d played it, as if having played at launch invalidates any opinion i could possibly have because there were also more bugs. i think it’s reasonable to feel some kind of way about being dismissed and diminished and heckled and pressured into repeating a bad experience point for point, and then repeatedly told what an ignorant fool i am for landing on the same opinion as i had before. except now im mad that i had to endure it again just to validate not liking it to every fan of the game i know irl.

yeah you tell that strawman what’s what!

first off, nickelback is the most popular band in the world, and there’s a million and ten valid reasons their music sucks.

second, all of my experience having hot takes about popular video games tells me that question actually means “it hurts my feelings you said bad things about a thing i like, tell me a thing you like so i can say bad things about it to get back at you”.

Are you sure you updated the game?

i literally downloaded and installed it entire thing less than 24 hours before playing. what you think i let that tripe take up hard drive space for five years?

i must be connected to the internet in some alternate universe where cdpr are competent devs and the voice acting doesn’t sound like a bad anime dub.

bud i go out of my way to ignore marketing and trailers and go into things as blind as possible. i don’t read reviews, i don’t watch recorded playthroughs, i don’t engage with the bustle and hype of video game culture and news and shit because it’s all bs and fake hype and idiots with shitty opinions. the only expectations i went in with were created by people i know irl with hundreds of hours in the game. i now think a bit less of all of them tbh.

i’m upset that i’m literally not allowed to have more concrete reasons to dislike it than “must be about bugs” and “personal taste” as if i’m too stupid to know the difference between “actually bad” and “just not for me”

i’m upset that cyberpunk fans can’t accept that i don’t like it for valid reasons

i like how you start with a question like you want to have a conversation and then go on to construct a narrative about how i’m stupid irrational immature and not worth taking seriously because i’m upset about being misled into wasting a bunch of hours on the exact same bad game.

Because you’re taking it out on all of us because a few people pissed you off, you haven’t clarified what pisses you off

i’ve repeatedly clarified that i’m pissed that i was outright lied to by fans of the game who apparently did not hear a single thing i said about why i didn’t enjoy it (in calm polite subjective terms, and only when they brought the game up to try to sell me on it yet again) and insisted repeatedly that all my complaints had been addressed, and pestered me to “give it another chance”.

nor shared your specs.

i don’t know why you want my specs because it’s (mostly) not about the game performance, everyone has bugs and memory leaks and while annoying af it’s not a dealbreaker to me.

And neither here nor there but while you think you’re being counter culture by bitching about the game

i don’t think i’m “counter” anything, i’m just being genuine and that’s a sin when you don’t feel the “correct” way. you’re projecting.

it was so popular to shit on this game while it was being fixed, that it was common to have your opinions.

and yet back then all i did was leave my thumbs-down review and didn’t think about it again for years. i laid aside my opinion because i trusted in my friends, and landed on the same opinion after trying the “fixed” version expecting a better experience. almost like i’m not some dipshit on a hate bandwagon the way you’re so eager to cast me.

So you actually just sound like every other normie who shouted at fans for liking it.

sorry, i flat out don’t believe this happened.

I get why people kept telling you to try it, you probably complained this loud day one and wanted you to experience it fixed up.

it was more like they brought it up and i said i played at launch and didn’t like it and briefly summed up the reasons why and they took every opportunity to badger me about playing it for a year afterward. again you’re projecting a narrative onto me so you can dismiss me about it.

stop being so antagonistic out the gate. And don’t act like you didn’t want this debate, acting high and mighty. You’re a milquetoast rebel without a cause.

things i wish the game would let me say to johnny silverhand. also lmao more projection.

“anybody who criticizes this game is a whiney asshole not worth listening to, therefore it must be good since everyone worth listening to enjoyed it” cult logic