Elissa Slotkin IS the oligarchy. She is the Hot Dog Princess. Her grandpa owned BallPark Franks—subsidiary of the Tyson Foods megacorp. Every time someone eats a hot dog, Elissa gets more passive income than most folks earn from a year’s labor.
She sucks, I voted for Harper in the primaries but the Dems are full of neo-libs like her. It’s hard to see that party go more liberal even with Sander’s and AOC’s help
They actively work against Sanders and AOC. Both are the enemy to the average corporate-whore Dem.
I didn’t realize hot dogs got so expensive!
Except at Costco.
RIP the Costco Polish dog.
She also is only in office because she kept district hopping to avoid getting primaried until she was up for a senate seat, whereupon the Democratic Party pushed out or made concessions to all the other better candidates so they would drop. She’s widely reviled.
Calling it now. newsom’s VP pick.
Among the shittiest hot dogs on the market. It’s Nathan’s or Hebrew National, everything else is garbage.
Nathan’s make me extremely sick because they are sweetened with sorbitol.
Huh, thanks for this. I have family that swears by them, but they also make me sick. I didn’t realize they had sorbitol. I had wondered why their brand was so disagreeable to me.
There are places in the USA where you can find smaller, more local hot dog makers.
The best I’ve had are Hippey’s Franks from Denver, Pennsylvania.
Ream’s in Elburn IL. Superb
Better than Hebrew Nat?
ETA subsidiary of ConAgra
So much better than Hebrew National, Ballpark, Nathan’s or any national brand. Bigger, more and better flavor.
Well I just need to road trip a couple thousand miles and get a good dog. It’s been YEARS.
I don’t think it’s just a US east coast thing. See if there are any local butchers near you and check out what they sell. Or, look for local, independent meat companies.
We don’t have indie butchers or meat companies near, anymore, but I’m going out of town in a couple of weeks so I’ll see if where I’m going does. They probably do.
Hebrew national > Aren’t sausages mostly pork?
Hot Dogs can be pork, chicken or beef, or even a combination. Hebrew National is all beef. I prefer all beef wieners myself.
“Not resonating with voters”
Bernie and AOC’s “Fighting Oligarchy” campaign is pulling in more people to their rallies than attended Obama’s in 08.
Don’t peddle that horseshit you Liberal traitor.
She’s so full of shit. The number 1 issue in every 2024 poll of swing voters was the economy and inflation. That’s why Trump won. When people think the economy sucks, the incumbent party almost always loses.
All this bullshit about “woke” is just another attempt by the ultra wealthy to distract from economic issues, because they know the solutions for them hurt their bottom line. She and her GOP allies will do anything to stop us from improving labor rights and economic conditions for ordinary people.
She’s a lying weakling backstabber.
No CIA member is ever liberal.
Neoliberal
Here’s who her donors are, if that’s of interest to anybody
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/elissa-slotkin/summary?cid=N00041357
What does “Retired” mean for top donor?
These are donations from retired individuals
It’s by donor profession. So things like “lawyer”, “student” or in this case “retired”.
No, she can fuck off.
The oligarchy is killing us, and spinning language won’t change that. Meanwhile, ‘woke’ just means ‘social empathy’, which is ironically the solution to many of the problems the oligarchy is causing (and they’re not shy about this – Musk recently said empathy is bad).
We need more ‘woke’, not less. And being butthurt that the fascists are using ‘woke’ as a slur against us is childish and easy to ignore if you’re not too simple to get it.
Fuck this. I’m woke and proud of it. We all should be.
Woke is not weakness!
It’s funny, because the “Wake up, Sheeple!” line used to be what conservatives screamed at liberals for failing to understand their latest Ayn Rand inspired diatribe.
Then liberals adopted the “Wake up!” phrasing to describe structural racism, the enormous socio-economic cost of the Military Industrial Complex, and the inherent class warfare of privatization schemes. That caused “Woke” to fall out of fashion with the right.
Now it’s totally lost any context. “Woke” just means being visually queer coded or insufficiently religious. Its barely more than a slur.
specifically it was used by AA people in the start, now it has been co-opted by the right wingers and perverted, much like they did with “punisher”
Fine. Then come up with a plan to educate conservatives. Because this thing where the state legislates new norms (e.g. bio men in bio women’s sports) is NOT making sense to them. They are freaking out because they don’t understand it. And we can’t just make laws to make them accept it.
From their perspective they are losing their country. We can laugh and call them backwards, but that won’t help. There HAS to be a plan that is better than, f-you wake up.
Fuck conservatives. They don’t need to be educated, they need to be beaten. There are more people left of center than right, we just need to prove we’re actually going to fight for them. All of them. Not 80% and then we’ll start to strategize on how many “urban” voters we can lose to pick up white suburbanite conservatives.
Just to drive this point home for the quiet listeners at the back of the house, I’ve had very long conversations with conservatives (I’m in a red area) who actually get more distrustful the more you relate to them. I’ve been told to my face that nobody cares that much about other people, and I was clearly only pretending to in order to make them listen to me. That it was obvious, because nobody cares that much. That empathy can only be manipulative, and is never real.
It took me years to understand this isn’t a contradiction, but that since they can’t imagine caring that much, I must be fake.
My whole outlook changed once I realised that. It’s insane, but many people literally can’t envision caring, and they think you’re fake and just want recognition for doing so.
Several of these surveys take on a different meaning once you realise there are fundamentally different perspectives like this.
e: and this is one of the biggest divides with conservatives. Simple word choice will not bridge this gap.
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We don’t need fucking conservatives to win anything in this country. I’m sick of cowards acting like they just won by 10%. They barely won this election, barely won control of the house, and the main issue in the election for independents wasn’t trans people or minorities, it was the economy.
The economy sucks for ordinary people because the ultra rich have been raiding it since COVID. And everyone, even conservatives, know that’s true. Americans hate these big corporations. Slotkin and her allies know that, and that’s why they’re trying to distract from it.
It’s disgusting how ready some of you are to throw your own neighbors under the bus so you can try to win over a couple fascist votes… Who will never vote for you. You will never win them over. They aren’t going to believe that you suddenly hate gay people and minorities. You will just look like a dishonest weakling to them, and they’ll be right.
We will win the next election by targeting independents with an economic message. If you want to lose then go ahead and make it about “woke” like a complete coward.
“The hell is a dang oligarch?”
“Means hillary can tell you what to do”
That’s a big problem that switching from ‘oligarch’ to ‘king’ won’t solve. Using different words is a very simplistic answer, when what we’re fighting here is not a language barrier but a wide cultural one.
The real issue is complex and multifaceted: conservatives have been highly propagandised through increasingly insulated media bubbles to the point that now there’s very little that can penetrate them, and switching up a few words will not get them to listen. They’ve been taught to be distrustful of facts and reality, and to believe that compassion is weakness.
I don’t know how to fix this, but watering down our language will not help. That’s been tried many times, and it always backfires.
And from personal experience, even if you find common ground and get them to recognize something is bad, they’ll sit back down in front of Fox News and revert to the norm before any of it matters. I had a “law and order, national security” type conservative acquaintance who right after the Trump classified documents story broke said Trump should go to prison for it (he also had to add that Hillary Clinton should go too). I’m certain he voted for Trump this time around. And he’s had nary a peep about the multiple war plans chats. They aren’t gettable if you just find the right issue or use the right words. If they’re going to change it’s going to happen on their own and over a long time.
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I’m not sure about this. People with money spent a lot to tell everyone that these things are problems. If we spent the same amount of money to say the opposite, opinions would differ.
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Maybe the democrats need to ditch pro-oligarchy anti-woke members 🤷♂️
“ She said Democrats should stop using the term ‘oligarchy,’ a phrase she said doesn’t resonate beyond coastal institutions, and just say that the party opposes ‘kings,'” wrote Wren, who reported that Slotkin was planning to deliver a series of speeches in the coming months about her plan.”
Did you miss this part?
Ah , see, that take is rationalizing. She’s a former CIA torturer who worked under Bush. Within Michigan she once moved into a lobbyists house to avoid getting primaried after redistricting. (The lobbyist’s house was in a safe democrat area that the Democrat party did not field a local candidate for.) Her ascension to state senator was equally questionable - all the other candidates dropped out after meeting with party officials.
It’s clear she’s the Democrats new Joe Manchin, put there to avoid progress and force concessions if they ever win a plurality. All the Michiganders I know vehemently hate her.
Ah , see, that take is rationalizing. She’s a former CIA torturer who worked under Bush.
First she was in the DA not DO at the CIA so she factually was not a torturer as analysts weren’t doing torture rather the spies were. Secondly every single person in the executive branch works for whomever is POTUS so it is not a surprising claim to say she worked under POTUS at the CIA.
Edit: The directorate of analysis is where she worked. If the CIA directly hired torturers that worked for the CIA they would be in the directorate of operations. That being said the CIA contracts out torture through foreign intelligence, criminal groups, military/paramilitaries, or police when they have been found to do so. This is not an endorsement of torture but rather an explanation of how the CIA is divided and which side hires torturers, assassins and criminals.
First she was in the DA not DO at the CIA so she factually was not a torturer as analysts weren’t doing torture rather the spies were.
Your defense of her is that she chose to work for torturers? Why would anyone work for torturers?
Im not defending her Im correcting your error. A simple look at her background would make it clear your claim was wrong.
1- I’m not who made the claim
2- How is this distinction a material difference? If she worked for torturers then she is unsupportable
Im sorry for my error and my hypocrisy.
Right now anyone who is anti-fascist needs to be on the same team. Anyone saying we should reject anyone who is anti-fascist because they do not cling to a specific ideology are a larger part of any problem we are facing than she is.
Its great that you’re into solid research. I admire that. Maybe you could take a moment to read Slotkins wikipedia then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elissa_Slotkin
And google her caucus memberships. They tell you who she is, and its not great. And she’s another “Endorsed by Liz Cheney” Dem which is the coveted endorsement for liberals.
Let me help get you started from that wikipedia page:
Caucus memberships
New Democrat Coalition
Problem Solvers Caucus[
I know who she is. I believe you are incorrect in your take on her and Im not sure you understand how our system works at all which is a frequent problem for leftists.
I know who she is. I believe you are incorrect in your take on her
Great, explain her caucus memberships and being a top AIPAC recipient then. Go ahead, I’ll wait. Do you need me to google the mission of those caucuses for you? Even the stated mission would do it, we dont even need to look at the awful things they actually support or the various ways they have shafted members of the democratic party for decades.
Did you miss mediaite is another corporate propaganda rag to prop up the
oligarchykleptocracy?
Way to advertise what side she’s really on.
Was looking for this. One of the many many many problems the US has is spineless cowards terrified of trying to fix the underlying problem because every single election they ever have is always “the most important election in history”, that if they can just keep the bad guy out this once they can fix the systemic problems in their democracy later. And yet, the Democrats won in 2008, 2012, and 2020, with a congressional majority accompanying four of those years, and y’all did nothing during that time to fix matters.
So many people will say “this is a gross oversimplification, they do lots of progressive things” while ignoring the world around them.
The fact we had to invent a political term for them is enough to tell me that we need to abandon this fascist supporting party.
Her name is: Sen. Elissa Slotkin (D-MI)
Just so you don’t accidentally vote for her.
Ulg shes the one voting with repubs
The oligarchy pays me to pretend to fight for you! Wait. Cut that part.
I can’t do what [AOC] does because we live in a purple state, and I’m a pragmatist
“It’s pragmatic for me to avoid making my Republican donors upset.” What an idiot.
shes in the wrong party
Unfortunately shes in the right party for this BS. This is what the Dems have been for decades. We need a new party, not a new democrat.
Willfully or blindly ignorant, but the result is the same.
Man I figured this was paraphrased because I can’t trust a headline nowadays even if it used quotes but nope. Used those exact terms in that way. Says to retake flag energy. Fuck that nationalist shit. Definately need to redefine patriotism around the constitution and civil rights but sure as shit not around the flag. The flag is a symbol of the ideals that should be respected not a thing itself to respect.
Patriotism is bad don’t redefine it abolish it.
National pride can be a powerful motivator towards doing good. The belief in a nation as a group of people working towards a common goal is fundamental to collectivism.
When patriotism turns into nationalism, that’s where it becomes toxic.
National pride absent something like a colonizing force always has an out group and always abstracts the interests of real people to the interests of the elite of the abstract “nation”.
What if the out group is fascists and kings?
Spoiler alert.
It won’t be.
A king is kind of in group by definition
You don’t need “nationhood” to be anti-fascist and anti-monarchy.
I think patriotism is fine if your espousing a good functioning system. Patriotism for patriotisms sake is the issue to me. Its like every time I see a god bless america sign I want to get a sign that says americans be deserving of gods blessing. Your country is not good because of the name of your country but if your country is good if its actually free and equitable.
First, if patriotic imagery works when it comes to campaigning why shouldn’t they do it? Why not adopt winning tactics?
Second “ She said Democrats should stop using the term ‘oligarchy,’ a phrase she said doesn’t resonate beyond coastal institutions, and just say that the party opposes ‘kings,'” wrote Wren, who reported that Slotkin was planning to deliver a series of speeches in the coming months about her plan.”
that sounds a lot more like suggesting we don’t talk over the heads of the voters than suggesting we shouldn’t confront the problem. Do you take issue with this?
I think after decades of the term “oligarch” being used in popular culture and nationwide news coverage, people in the “forgotten middle” know what oligarchy is. She’s doing the exact thing “liberal elites” get accused of doing all the time which is insulting her constituents’ intelligence.
just say that the party opposes ‘kings,'”
This is incredibly dangerous
It argues that a pseudo King like Trump is the problem. That is a lie. It is the oligarchs who prop up dictators like Trump who are the problem
This is an issue of systems, not of individuals. She’s intentionally trying to individualize a systemic issue. This is because she serves those oligarchs and is protecting them by attempting to scapegoat Trump.
We must reject this
Kings are single actors. Oligarchy is a group which includes corporations. She is part of a pro business caucus and she is one of the worst zionists in the party. Can you stop trying to whitewash her? She is a monster who needs to be removed, not understood.
You think kings are singular actors? Have you ever studied any real life monarchy closely? That’s an inaccurate claim.
Im not trying to whitewash her I am addressing the errors in your comment.
Stop trying to claim moral high ground we are not arguing here. You made an extremely ignorant comment that was completely incorrect and all I am doing is pointing that out. You shouldn’t be this proudly incorrect
its just chasing the ignorance and redefining. They have assigned me to woke that is all about trans and such as opposed to realizing we don’t have a free and fair and functioning system. Maybe they can get other times of voters but talking to dumbed down will alienate my kind.
She’s sorta right. ‘Oligarchy’ is a big college word that Joe Bumblefuck doesn’t understand.
Aristocrats is a good word, but again: “duh?”
Therefore Dems just need to start harping about “rich fucking parasites”
People are clued in on oligarchy even if they don’t quite know the exact definition. After Bernie and AOC started their tour, it was Wikipedia top 5 articles. Slotkin is just a right wing traitor.
Yep. She’s talking about changing optics and messaging to something that resonates with the larger ‘I know very little about politics but I still vote’ group of voters.
The headline feels like clickbait.
Yep, this is a branding issue.
Oligarchy => “rich fucking parasites”
Woke = equality (equity too, but stick with equality for sake of simplicity)
