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Even if you would think that were a good thing - which I don’t - there is no business case justifying spending all this money on border controls, impacting travel, increasing congestion and pollution just to ’catch’ 19(!) “illegal” immigrants. Even the numbers don’t add up.
Also: Nobody is illegal!
Nobody is illegal
I hate this so much…
The thing is: YOU might not be “illegal”, but entering your neighbors house without his consent indeed is illegal.
What would you do if a random number of strangers would tomorrow at noon decide that it would be a great idea to just enter your house?
There is a huge difference between your house and a country.
And also between the thing you are doing being illegal and you being illegal
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Where is this immoral? Are the EU countries bordering Germany that bad of a place? I don’t think so…
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Well, the point is that due to the Dublin III regulation the state in which the refuge seeking person first enters the EU is primarily responsible for the asylum procedure. So, there IS a proper asylum procedure the refuge seeking persons can apply to.
How is it morally right to put the perceived (by people like you I assume) burden of immigration only on the countries with EU outer borders?
It’s also immoral to perceive these people as a burden in the first place.
How is it morally right to put the perceived (by people like you I assume) burden of immigration only on the countries with EU outer borders?
This has to be addressed, with funding, staffing and other forms of aid.
It’s also immoral to perceive these people as a burden in the first place.
No, its not.
Not sure if you’re serious… If you’re seeking refuge, many of the countries bordering Germany are terrible places, Poland and Czechia especially.
Edit: Someone reported this comment for being “straight out of NS propaganda”…? Meanwhile Visegrad has long-standing efforts to end relocation and Poland blocks all asylum-seekers.
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Well yeah, those places may be not that nice, but they are a far cry from an actual ongoing conflict zone or something like that. At this place you can apply for asylum and if it is granted you can look for further options…
If someone wants to chose a nice place to live and work at… well, there is the normal immigration procedure for that.
I take it you are taking the antisocial-arsehole-stance on purpose?
Nah, this is baked into my DNA.
Then at least they should start saying “people who illegally immigrate” or something like that, because “illegal immigrants” does make it sound like its the people themselves who are illegal and that rhetoric only serves the far right
This is what the slogan is and always was trying to convey.
Exactly, see my first comment above
Is it really?
Yes.
Do you honestly think this is a “gotcha”?
The right to asylum was put into the constitution because many victims of the holocaust where denied entry to other counties before getting rounded up and killed.
If a stranger is running down the street, chased by a guy with a blood soaked knife, would you let them in?
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Many of the people coming to germany are not in danger tho. Which is a requirement for asylum.
…which is why there is a due process that applies to all asylum seekers.
Duh.
ITT: someone who understands fuck all of what makes the world run.
It’s sad that people looking for better life are illegal
It’s absolutely not illegal to look for a better life in another country. What IS illegal is crossing the border without using the proper immigration procedure.
Seeking refuge is different from immigration… the right for asylum is there to give you the opportunity to escape a dangerous place and stay TEMPORARILY in another country
Hinweis: Uns fehlen noch immer 200.000-300.000 Migranten um unsere Pflege und Sozialsysteme weiter zu unterhalten. Wäre halt geil gewesen, die Menschen die hier ankommen, schnell in Arbeit zu bringen. Nichts integriert besser als den Menschen die Möglichkeit zu geben, sich etwas aufzubauen, damit sie etwas zum verlieren haben. Wer auch noch einem Jahr sich noch nichts aufbauen konnte, hat nichts zu verlieren und wird sich nicht integrieren.
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Oh right, sorry about that! Got too carried away and angry at the stuff being told here
No problem. :)
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what would be the correct response to a comment in german? Because responding to it in another language feels wrong to me.
shrugs Either not answering or answering in English seems like an option. I do understand that the latter feels weird though. But helping/allowing threads of German-only comments to form, unrestricted, is going to make this place markedly worse for anyone who does not speak German.
True. Sorry.
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Es ist Montagmorgen und Geschichten wie diese bringen mein Blut zum kochen.
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Aber die nehmen uns die Arbeit weg! /s
Nehmen alle Ausländer uns nun die Arbeit weg oder sind sie alle faul und beziehen nur Harz4? Nazis sollten sich schon mal entscheiden.
Ja und die dummen faschos verstehen diesen super simpeln und leicht ableitbaren Ansatz nicht.
Nah, they just believe we’ll be making 300.000 additional kids a year instead.
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Brütet für das Vaterland hurrah!
a fricking tragedy, and sadly one we all already saw coming when Merz was buddy-buddy with AfD on this very topic.
Immigration isn’t the issue; xenophobia is.
The issue is that colonialism has depleted the resources of many countries and destabilized them, thus making them unsafe for many today Of course people will try to stay alive by fleeing those conditions. And it’s outrageous to turn them away. Us westerners have it good BECAUSE they have it bad. Doesn’t matter that nobody alive today is responsible for colonialism.
Immigration is an issue too.
Immigration drives up rents in cities while at the same time giving the economy cheap labour and keeping wages down.
As long as immigrants are not guaranteed the same wages as citizens and are not distributed across the country, including the country-side, immigration is a net negative. The only ones profiting are employers and retirees.
i fucking hate this timeline.
I will not accept this injustice as long as bavarians and swabians are still free to roam germany as they please.
Good point!
Disappointing but not surprising.
This legitimizes the argument to those “promoting” and benefiting from making immigration a central political issue. Not smart.
I fear we already crossed that line some time ago when the established parties used immigration as the scapegoat for pretty much everything that supposedly goes wrong in the country. Now it’s really hard to go back.
Well done, Germany.
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