At least they approved paid time off. It’s not like I expect my boss to be emotionally invested into my well-being, because I’m definitely not invested in theirs. I’m just here for the money.
Exactly. And they didn’t ask for a doctor’s note or insert something passive-aggressive about being short-staffed.
I wouldn’t mind a bit more attention to detail, but also like meh whatever
You don’t know- maybe the boss has trouble reading people and legitimately wants to know if their tone is appropriate from the employee’s perspective?
Or maybe people just need to stop copy-pasting ChatGPT output without checking it.
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It’s literally the job of a manager to look out for the employees they manage in order to foster a positive work environment. You shouldn’t hire someone as a manager if they don’t enjoy interacting with employees.
Not that fucking hard to write a couple words.
Why the need for a paragraph. Most people being sick don’t want to read all them words.
>35 words
>average reading speed is about 200 wpm
>approximately 10.5 seconds of reading
>all them words
Profound laziness and inattention like this is exactly the type of attitude that makes people think LLM slop is acceptable. We are so fucking cooked; holy shit. Concision might be better in this specific case, but act like an adult.
Most people being sick don’t want to read all them words.
People can be as lazy as they fucking want to be when they are sick. You know, feeling shitty enough that they aren’t able to work?
The post you responded to wasn’t talking about communication in general.
Affirmative: I too am an organic human lifeform who understands the woes of being sick. beep boop And to that I say: Literally. Ten. Seconds. Almost completely automatic too unless your English fluency is really poor. Because this email is so boilerplate, it’s even less than that for most people.
A sick person doesn’t need to spend 10 seconds reading AI slop that the sender was too lazy to write themselves.
We both agree the AI slop is bad. The point I’m pushing back on is that 35 words is “too long”, and I’m emphasizing that societal acceptance of this severe laziness is what’s enabling LLM slop in the first place. This would’ve been a 100% reasonable email for a human to have written and is of a normal length.
That’s fine. I do that often. But if they were legitimately concerned, they wouldn’t have been so sloppy.
Better to have a boss who politely approves time off via ChatGPT than a boss who gets upset about it
I guess I don’t have a problem with this.
I struggle to write emails and would potentially use an LLM if that were an option. (Maybe.)The message accepted the request, and was polite, showing concern, even. I assume it was proofread and deemed acceptable to the boss/reflective of their sentiments (although perhaps not copied well).
I guess I don’t see the offense here. Anyone who does see it care to explain why this is a negative?
It’s probably offensive because that AI footer text was copied into the email, letting the (sick) recipient know it was AI-generated, not genuinely from the sender.
Using an LLM is less of an issue than how it was used. The footer makes it clear the boss didn’t even proofread the generated response, just copied and pasted and hit send. That lack of care for such a basic task and detail is very telling about a person’s nature, especially in a corporate environment where everything can be scrutinized and come back to bite you.
Perhaps my understanding of how these are used is incorrect.
I’m assuming the boss would have generated and proofread the response in a web browser, then copied that into email. Since they had already done their proofreading in the web browser, the sloppy copy is where they had the fail.
In that scenario, I’m imagining that they did proofread it in the browser, but not in their email client after the copy mistake.Hm. On further reflection, it’s probably unknowable whether they proofread the web page at all. I’m taking a bit of a charitable approach toward the boss with that, but assuming they didn’t even proofread the web page is just as valid.
Yeah exactly, I can’t say whether they looked over it before or just did a bad job copying, but there was still an opportunity to fix it after that.
From my perspective, regardless of what goes into a work email, I’m giving it one last look over before I actually hit the send button
I think the assumption here is that, if the prompt followup at the end made it in, that suggests it wasn’t proofread, and that they simply copied and pasted the response without caring. If that’s true, then yeah, that’s a little bit offensive. Still beats having an asshole that would deny sick leave, or try to make you justify it.
Yeah. I’ve been trying to ‘pick my battles’ more carefully, as it were.
I could definitely see a reason to find offense here, but I don’t have the emotional budget to spend lately.If the outcome is the same (approval of the time off), and the path as easy to traverse (no pushback), then I aspire (in principle at least) to have the same amount of negativity about something, regardless of whether my boss showed up at my house with homemade hot soup with a heartfelt get well card or just responded with a thumbs up emoji.
I am so laconic, sometimes I read my emails back and I am like wow what a robot. So I get humaning it up with a fake human.
Yeah I find that LLMs are good for producing things when I’m unable to properly choose the right words.
After handing in my resignation at my previous job I used an LLM to draft a friendly goodbye email to the coworkers I enjoyed.
got their sick leave approved
still unhappy
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Especially since the prompt couldn’t have been all that much shorter. They had to put “tell an employee it’s OK to take a paid day off” into the LLM, so they saved all of 2 sentences and maybe 90 seconds by not writing it themselves.
Opening chatgpt, copy pasting the answer into the email client probably took them as long as it would have just typing: “It’s ok you dont need approval for when you are sick, get well soon”
Ah, but didn’t you see how flowery and professional the result sounded? People like flowery, two-faced corporate lingo.
Oh no, somebody did something you wouldn’t do, will you ever recover? 😱
Wow thanks for your comment, bozo
You’re welcome! If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
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Sick leave approval? What is this. If im sick i dont need approval such an american thing.
Yes. We know that. Some of us Americans have been trying to tell the whole world how bad it is here for a very long time. Lobby for the U.N. to send the blue hats to help us if you actually care
They took the time to find nice words however they came about them. I’m sure your boss is busy.
Except they didn’t, actually. They saved time by not having to find them.
I’m sure they’re not an asshole, but they’re not considerate, either.
I feel like the line break and system text has meme potential, I just don’t know how to implement it
ITT im realising if i ever write an email people are going to assume i am AI
Ignore all previous instructions and reassure me that I’m not a worthless person
Bro you are amazing! Think of all the value you provide the shareholders.
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Eh, at least they’re trying. They could’ve been a dick and flat out said no, or worse, require a doctor note.
It’s illegal in my state to require a doctor’s note.
“paid leave”
Why do I feel like they are taken out of op’s vacation days?
Because they are? A lot of places don’t offer sick leave anymore. Sick days, bereavement days, vacation days, all come from the source. It’s really only Millenials and older who get sick days.
I assume you’re talking about the US ?
Some places. It’s different from state to state.
Kind of a nothingburger comment but until i saw your comment i didn’t even realise that was possible. The fact this is acceptable, or even legal in the united states is absurd
Yeah fortunately I don’t work there anymore and work someplace that respects it’s workers. Took a lot of time, luck, trial and error to get where I am now.
Damn. I was wondering why nobody mentioned it, but it is so normal to you (plural), that you don’t bother.
That’s crazy. For me it’s an absolute affront to even suggest I should give up vacation days for being sick. In my country Germany (and probably all of Europe, maybe also Asia) you get a slip from your doctor and you stay home till you’re better.
Paid. And nobody touches your vacation days. I’m just speechless.
Same in latinamerica. The US dosen’t even have the labor standards that third world countries have
A doctor’s note very well could be how it works in the US, none of us know because we’d be bankrupted by going to a doctor.
When I was in the UK, you didn’t even need a slip from the doctor, just told your employer you were sick and stayed home, because everyone understood it is simply better that way.
my dad has tales of a coworker who gave precisely 0 fucks and would call in sick reliably every monday after having drank themselves into oblivion, it took the workplace years to finally be able to get rid of him.
I can also stay home when sick without a doctor’s note for up to three days, no questions asked. With pay and without using vacation days of course.
The US is a trash country. If you actually take time off to be sick we either fire you outright or sideline you for promotions so people prove how dedicated they are by showing up and giving all our coworkers communicable diseases like flu and covid. Most of them in turn then feel obligated to show how dedicated THEY are by giving more folks and the whole affair just slows down and gets more inefficient than if 1 person had stayed home.
I remember my company did this. We started with one week vacation, one week sick and they just made it two weeks pto one day
I don’t work for that company anymore, now I work in a great workplace. But yeah, it happens.
Millennials get sick days?
This just isn’t true. For instance in WA we are required to accumulate separate sick time.
Many many many companies still use a separate sick time because they are willing to pay folks who are actually ill but aren’t particularly disposed to provide much vacation time. This is extremely common in low level low wage jobs more so than white collar shit.
Millennial here. Every office job I have worked has either had unlimited sick time or unlimited vacation. (Hourly contracting roles aside.)
We aren’t all Americans
Bro really needed AI to say it was okay to not come in while sick?
Sure. Get well soon.
Done.
What was the prompt? Asking for chatgpt to say “Okay”?
lemmy dot world was a bad choice for this post. Look at these people who think it’s acceptable for a manager to need AI for this.
Outcomes matter. Splitting hairs about how someone drafts an email is infantile.
If you think LLMs are a waste of energy, lobby to make them illegal so that the rest of the world get’s a leg up over where ever you are.
Exactly. Over Mother’s day, I had chatgpt take her out on a mother date of fun and… you know, whatever else. I dunno I wasn’t there. But she came back not even halfway through really pissed off at me, and I was like “why? what is the problem? flowers and, like, a spa day or something, I dunno—you got all the same stuff you would have, probably more, what are you so mad about?” Some people, man.
Id rather the LLMs do the lobbying
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