Hillary Clinton needs to sit this one out holy shit. I remember her getting paid by bankers to make “speeches” when she was running for president.
I hate trump for all of his corruption. But holy shit she’s no better
No, she’s a lot better, but the bar Trump has set is that low.
She’s only better if you’re a fan of open air child sex slave markets
Haha that propaganda is shitpost quality. I cannot believe anyone is so gullible to eat that shit up.
I guess fucking Obama is gullible?
You’re just fucking ignorant of history.
Do you genuinely think Trump is any better in that regard? They were both friends with Epstein.
This is about Libya. Read a history book.
And yes, it is 100% her fault. Fuck, even Obama thought so.
So I can delete the part about Epstein and the comment will remain relevant then. Trump doesn’t care either.
Please give me some indication that you understand the context of what I’m talking about otherwise shut up and fuck off
Yo chill not everyone is American and fully knowledgeable on American politics. What are you referring to?
This is about the Libyan war, organized by Clinton, but driven by NATO and mostly the French.
You’re ignorant not of American history but of world history.
EDIT: next time you hear someone day that NATO is a defensive organization and has never invaded anyone, you will know that they’re either lying or ignorant.
Haha that propaganda is shitpost quality. I cannot believe anyone is so gullible to eat that shit up.
This is the comment you’re asking me to ‘chill’ about.
The dog shit one might have to scrap of the bottom of one’s shoe is a lot better than Trump.
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Bro do you think any other person giving the exact same speech as Hillary would be paid that kinda money? The banks aren’t paying her for her oratory chops. It’s influence purchasing. Be serious.
I was sooo mad Debbie fucked over bernie when she ran the DNC. Honestly that might of been the beginning of the decline for them. Let’s hope they listen to voters.
The voters don’t pay like the donor class.
And democrats decided they prefer donations to votes.
The beginning of the end was when the blue dog Democrats took over the party.
It died with Paul Wellstone.
Now it is the party to protect the oligarchs.
No, getting paid by bankers is ABSOLUTELY a problem. Or did you forget what the bankers leading up to 2008 after they got beneficial legislation passed that let them fuck up the markets?
Bankers buy politicians to let them fuck up the economy and drain more money from everyone else they can.
Please cite the sources. And not propaganda.
Your definition of propaganda is anything you don’t agree with.
To the point that you literally think that Clinton isn’t responsible for Libya, and describe it as propaganda.
The Bernie thing was bad as well as possibly the only fully fact checked story . But here we have people deciding between propaganda shitposts and a bigot sending people to literal death camps as what is worse. The people who eat the shitposts as fact and spread it around are officially worse than both candidates. They are just Russian bots.
Yeah, that so quaint! 25M. LOL. Trump’s net worth has increased by 4 BILLION since he took office THIS TIME. Fucking 25M over 10 years… “Those are rookie numbers!” No, not rookie numbers, flat out hardly a drop in the bucket. Sooo quaint. I’m sure her corruption is exactly the same as Trump’s! (Can you really type that without busting out laughing?)
So one could argue Trump has more dignity as he sold himself for more…
Corruption is corruption no matter if someone sells himself for 100, 100,000 or 100,000,000
All that tells me is that she’s bad at being corrupt, not that she’s some paragon of integrity.
I never said she was a paragon of integrity… but where she was picking up spare change left on the counter, Trump is robbing the register and looting the pension fund all at the same time. They are not the same.
Trump is bad. It’s not comparable.
Additionally 90 % of the shit spread about Hillary was from trump himself. And as you can see: he lies.
A lot.
She’s the wrong messenger. For most situations.
Now do the same for political donations and PACs
Any of her “definitely worth it” speeches, too.
Stats for this thread:
Comments about Hillary Clinton: 150
Comments about the president of the US receiving a bribe: 3
Comments about the president of the US receiving a bribe: 3
My brother in Christ, there are a thousand other threads about Trump being corrupt full of people lamenting Trump being corrupt.
But this post is like hearing Al Capone chastise Pablo Escobar over organized crime.
I feel like thats an insult to Al Capone, he ran a soup kitchen during the Depression.
He also handed out turkeys on Thanksgiving and is the reason we have expiration dates on milk bottles.
Aside from anecdotal evidence, Snopes was unable to find any proof to corroborate this claim. We know that most major food labeling requirements occurred in the decades following Capone’s 1947 death. However, aside from infant formula, there is no requirement to label expiration dates in the U.S. All such labeling is done so voluntarily by food manufacturers.
I didn’t know that about old scarface, I will be adding that to the list of fun facts right next to the fact that at least one Roman Emperor thought that he was becoming a god right between violently shitting himself to death.
When you share a little factoids like this, you don’t think check to see if they’re true, this sounds like it was designed to be shared and to be viral, but nothing of whether it was fucking true or not, Jesus, fucking Christ dude do better on the Internet
It’s almost as though no one likes her.
It’s almost as though human beings have lost the ability to prioritize what actually matters
It’s almost as though no one wants to hear from her anymore except a bunch of people who are so unforgivably out of touch that they think she’s a good messenger.
It might be a good point, but she doesn’t deserve positive attention ever.
This is a post about her and her tweet. If you want to discuss the Air Force Bribe, I’m sure there are thousands of simultaneous discussions happening at various points on the internet. Perhaps even millions.
Sorry that this space isn’t dedicated to that, though.
She had plenty of supporters, why do you think Bernie was shut out? It was just mostly the older and more centrist democrats, so not people on here.
She had plenty of supporters, why do you think Bernie was shut out?
Because her supporters run the party.
Your downvotes don’t change the facts, there was a decent core of supporters in the democratic party. You’re wrong when you say no one liked her. The fact that you don’t like that wing of the democratic party doesn’t change the fact that they’re around.
And there was plenty of people who supported her in the caucus, which was 100% ordinary people voting with their butt. It’s fine if you don’t like her, but don’t act like nobody supported her. You and the people you talk to aren’t the entire democratic party.
Nobody’s acting like “nobody supported her”. Plenty of people supported her, but she didn’t support them and so they should be called by their proper name:
fools
Three of the comments said or inferred that directly.
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Because the DNC admitted it in court.
Not plenty enough to keep that orange turd out of office the first time and putting us all in this mess.
What is your point? Lemmy is full of Trump criticism. It’s the norm. One thread shitting on Hillary won’t change that.
It’s her turn
cause the post is ab her. I don’t think we should be propping up a CLINTON as opposition to trump
Yes. You’re right, Hillary. Now, go away.
She needs to go get her own bribes
.ml never fail to take a criticism against Trump and whatabbout it towards a democrat
If they didn’t suck so much it wouldn’t be so valid of a criticism.
Get your own fuckin house together. Then we can talk.
not good that your guy is receiving $400 mil airplanes
Not my fucking guy. I don’t care about the fucking plane.
I want the democrats to stop pretending this is an episode of West Wing and play hardball. I want them to act like any of this matters. Because it actually matters.
What doesn’t do anything is finger wagging and gotya tweets. That kind of shit appeals to a insignificantly small demographic of Brunch Liberals and literally nobody else. They should be filibustering every single republican bill and denying every political appointment. Leadership should be stripping committee appointments and threatening primaries on turncoat dems. The entire party should as a singular unit be blocking everything they can. They should be aggressively promoting an alternative policy agenda with real tangible benefits for real people.
But they won’t do any of that. They’ll stand around cock-in-hand and wait for Schumer’s strategy of “give them everything they want” to payoff somehow (think trickledown) because the DNC is a corporation. They really aren’t bothered by all the disastrous shit Chump is doing because it benefits them too.
I don’t care about the fucking plane.
I just hope Boeing puts as much time and love and care into the custom 747 as they have done with the 737 Max and 777-X
I want the democrats to stop pretending this is an episode of West Wing and play hardball.
Dunno if you have watched it or not but I want them to start pretending it’s an episode of West Wing because the Dems in that went hard. I’m tired of the milquetoast responses and typical DNC fair but they also are playing politics and trying what they think will work.
Imagine coming to a text based forum and thinking not reading is a flex.
It’s an explicit attempt to troll
“I’m going to say something I know you won’t like and pretend not to listen to any response because my goal is to anger you.”
Frankly, if I was a mod of this forum, I’d ban Bigfoot@lemm.ee for trolling. They’re not even trying to hide that that is their goal rather than actual discussion.
It’s explicitly bad faith.
Yeah, centrists don’t arrive at their political opinions by reading.
There are more eloquent ways to concede the argument.
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We blame you for him. You understand that, right? In our eyes, he’s your guy.
Trying to make leftists feel bad about Trump doesn’t work. We believe (And have the fucking receipts) that it is the DNC’s (And the Clintons) corruption that is at fault that Trump is President. Again.
The Democratic Party died with Paul Wellstone.
You understand that, right? In our eyes, he’s your guy.
centrists prefer trump over anyone to their left.
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As sure as the turn of the worlds.
Looks at the Clinton foundation and the UAE
looks back at post
.ml never fail to take a criticism against Trump and whatabbout it towards a democrat
It’s been 9 years and centrists still can’t accept that no one likes HRC.
Centrists still believe Hillary was the most qualified and deserving person ever to run for president.
And there’s millions of them.
I fucking wish everyone hated Hilary Clinton. Then maybe she wouldn’t have walked into a NY Senate seat, much less the Dem Presidential nomination.
Centrists still believe Hillary was the most qualified and deserving person ever to run for president.
centrists just wanted her because she’s kissinger’s protege.
Woof. Ain’t that the fucking truth.
Libya, Cambodia… it’s all the fucking same to these ghouls.
Corruption is fucking corruption.
Calling whataboutism and not cleaning your own house is precisely what leads to loss of trust and directly led to the first term of Trump. EDIT: Along with explicitly and blatantly breaking their own rules to give the primary to Hillary (This isn’t conjecture or theory. They’ve explicitly admitted this in court and justified it by saying they aren’t a public entity but a private organization and can cheat if they want. Funny how they’re a public institution when they get free federal funds, but private when applying their own rules)
Democrats being feckless cowards and refusing to prosecute Trump for emoluments violations during the first term, and then failing to prosecute Trump for fucking insurrection on day one of Bidens Administration is what led to Trump term 2.
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Wasn’t that proved to be outside of tenure?
So you think that having a slew of money coming to you while you are out of power right before an election you are expected to win means that that isn’t explicit corruption?
I have this really nice building for sale in New York that I have to sell for a really steep discount. Send me the money and we can meet up and I’ll sign it over to you. My loss is your gain.
Seriously, this is the stupidest attempt to justify corruption I’ve ever seen.
If only Qatar had delivered the plane to Trump on Jan 5th, 2025 there would have been no conflict of interest.
Huh. Funding dried up after she lost and wouldn’t have the political influence the funders thought they were buying.
Who’d have thought.
Did you look at the date of that article and think about it at all? You’re making my point for me.
You’re making my point for me.
Not every response here is an attack.
My apologies.
Hillary is just jealous she has to hide and do it slowly for years whereas Trump doesn’t give a single fuck and do it the obnoxious way for 2 times more money.
Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn’t seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post “crooked Hillary” and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it’s only ever “she was bought by the corporations” and “she knows all about corruption”.
If you’re a Qatari prince, $400m is trivial. If anyone would give a genuinely free jet, they would.
That being said, this one is not a gift. It’s manipulation. Stroke Trump’s ego and pretend you like him and he’ll do whatever you want, as long as you make him think it’s his idea.
He’s already excluded gas and oil from his stupid tariffs. And his family’s heavily invested in SA. So, yes.
Qatar
Its why he us such a bitch about it too. All angsty on his fancy bbs. This is a thing that should never die. Like a rash that wont go away. President 747
Qatar is not Saudi Arabia. Way to drive the point that you can’t tell Arabs apart. Also Qatar is merely paying tributes and concessions, also bailing out Boeing.
Yeah, that was my bad. I’ll edit it.
She would know, she was bought by two dozen corporations
Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn’t seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post “crooked Hillary” and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it’s only ever “she was bought by the corporations” and “she knows all about corruption”.
Say what you want, her coronation as D candidate in 2015 over a much more popular Bernie Sanders led to a weak turnout by disenchanted D voters and Trump’s victory in 2016.
Whether she is a murderer/ felon or not, she can take her opinion and shove it
How about this for evidence? Taken from M1ch431 elsewhere in this thread
The original source is a verified, leaked email (dated April 23, 2015) from her 2016 campaign. The DNC plan was attached in the email and can be found here. The specific quote is from Salon.
Yeah, is this the information Julian Assange leaked. yeah fuck that guy too, I sure as hell ain’t voting for her and neither will you, so I don’t know why we’re arguing
holy shit dude imagine @ing someone for exposing truth
on the fediverse of all places
The guy is a Russian asset if you haven’t noticed
So wait, you only like truth when it comes with good intentions?
Truth doesn’t have intentions, it simply is
Me, I like facts. I don’t give a fuck where they come from as long as they’re true.
Shit, imagine being like “yeah, it’s true she did all this, but I don’t care because the guy that told me was skeezy”
I’m more of a big picture guy and the instability and distrust this man has injected into our political system Just makes him a Russian asset to me. Nothing more nothing less.
I mean
yeah
But also
she was bought by two dozen corporations
so
Ba’al criticizing Satan.
He’s allowed, they’re buddies in Roman propaganda campaign victims.
So what does that make you if you take Satan at their lying word on who is ba’al ?
Don’t forget who started the rumour.
I think you’re gonna have to explain the lore for those of us who haven’t read the trilogy
The trilogy? No there’s like 15 books in The Wheel of Time series
There is only one book in the wheel of time, its just so long you forget where you were in the slog and then start over.
I would think that Hillary having some experience in accepting bribes, would know…
So idk why everyone is doing the pot/kettle thing (with various wordings). She’s speaking from experience.
Corruption is probably one thing that Hillary knows about, and she’s calling it out. Doesn’t mean she’s any less guilty of being bribed, not does it mean that this isn’t a bribe for Trump, nor does that mean we should be unhappy at Trump and not unhappy at her for them both doing it.
My point here is, why not both?
So she’s basically Frank Abagnale Jr. now?
I don’t know who that is
Catch Me If You Can
Leo DiCaprio, Tom Hanks,
Right. I saw that movie once, years ago.
Nothing wrong with speaking from experience.
I would really appreciate this twisted timeline we’re in featuring the Clintons openly acknowledging that they know how corruption works from experience as a way to derail the current corruption train that we’re all tied down in front of. The writers need to demonstrate that they haven’t completely lost the plot or I’m cancelling my subscription
She also received money (@ least a million) from Qatar while in office.
She failed to report it, admitted it after being called out. It was part of the ridiculous show that won him the election.
She’s the worst person to open her mouth about this, as she’s directly guilty and tried to hide it.
Not 400 million, but a direct comparison with Qatar can be made.
Ah, the Russian bots are working overtime today to distract the left from talking about trump again.
We don’t really need to talk about Trump’s corruption. We all know he’s corrupt and none of us are arguing about it.
But when the person who was so corrupt she couldn’t win an election against the orange buffoon starts inserting herself into the conversation, accounts like yours come out of the woodwork to defend her using stale 2016 rhetoric. If there are fake accounts here, I’m pretty sure it’s yours.
Brother Russian bots are at least getting paid for it. You are in this thread “protecting” fucking Hillary of all people, with your life, FOR FREE. Who is the real idiot here?
Truly, there is nothing like sitting in midwest america in trump land and being called a russian bot. @Sillyglow@lemmy.ca I realize a nuanced view is difficult for many.
Should I insult you before I finish replying?
Is posting a fact about the 2016 election, and Hillary Clinton somehow disinformation?
My point was, that the turd is being a hypocrite, in that part of his campaign in 2016 was capitalizing on her errors in failing to report external country lobbying.
There’s strong evidence to point to Hillary being wrong here and very much the orange turd. Two things can be true.
I’m not trying to what about the facts.
Someone posted a screenshot of her top contributors.
I recently watched a video discussing the jet, which played clips of him arguing against her doing the same thing he’s defending. I looked into it and found https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/05/13/trump-plane-qatar-comments/
As I noted in my statement which you replied to - It’s not exactly the same, but comparable.
If anyone wonders why I would even try, please be aware of this adage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law
seems the hillary stans can’t respond to evidence
Seems accurate.
What trump is doing is wrong also.
Where did I say it was right? I am just calling out the hypocrisy.
Clinton’s charity confirms Qatar’s $1 million gift while she was at State Department
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Thanks Hildawg, would have never thought of that otherwise… /s
IM JUST CHILLING
ON BLUE SKY SOCIAL
Now hold on there pal, she isn’t playing around alright. She’s a real go getter badass.
The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”
She may not be playing now, but I feel it’s fair to point out that Hillary has played some stupid games - the American people reap the stupid prize.
The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.”
It’s important to note that this also applied to Democratic candidates. With the Republicans moving 100 miles to the Right, Democrats didn’t think anyone would notice them moving 20 miles to the Right. Clinton and the DNC are just as responsible for the Overton window shift as the Republicans are. If not more so. Had they embraced and supported people like Sanders, who would have absolutely demolished Trump, we wouldn’t be in this fucking mess.
Where did you get this information from?
The original source is a verified, leaked email (dated April 23, 2015) from her 2016 campaign. The DNC plan was attached in the email and can be found here.
The specific quote is from Salon.
Thanks boss
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That’s part of it, but the other part is so much worse. The DNC and the Clinton campaign strategy was to elevate “unelectable” far-right nutjobs like Trump so that the Democratic party could intentionally pivot to the Right and still look like real opposition by contrast. They saw the writing on the wall ever since Sanders (and left-leaning policies in general) started gaining mainstream popularity in the late 2000s. The Dems are beholden to the same corporate billionaires as the Republicans, and the mere whiff of Leftism-lite made them all terrified that they might become slightly less wealthy under a SocDem government, and that “we the people” might become slightly more influential in said government.
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