Once again, the point is to harass trans people out of public life altogether.
This isn’t about logic or fear, it’s hate and domineering. They’re nazis. No excuses.
Yeah. This kinda stuff might help sway some people but for the fascists drafting these bills, this is not a contradiction. The bathroom they want trans people to use is none. They want trans people to not exist.
Trans people are the 2025 jews.
The original Nazis came for the trans folks before the Jews.
It’s fucking disgusting how similar it is and how few people see it
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/
True.
We talk often of the jews, but lgbt+ people, rom and Slavic people were also in the same troubles.
Talking about Trump and how much is in search of appreciation, I would love to show him what’s books from the future will tell about him. The 00’s American Hitler (well, until this point he will be probably prod), which all the people hates the most and which everybody will try to do not be associated.
And The Disabled! They were first of all groups IIRC.
And TERFs/alt right conservatives are working to cover up/deny this.
I saw someone say that the Nazis invented the transvestite passes. That Nazis invented being trans.
first it was intellectuals, but they fled, then its lgbtq+ then the jews at the final stage.
I think bathrooms are such a common issue with bigotry because shitting is a vulnerable state where in nature makes us vulnerable to tooth and claw type predators. Therefore it’s a psychological shortcut to appeal to danger and panic.
Forgive me for making an evolutionary psych argument, but I feel comfortable that I’m not overreaching.
I heard it’s why dogs often stare at you while they poop. They’re like “You got my back, right?”
So do cats stare me when im pooping
Cats want to let you know they know.
nah, it’s always been 100% about excluding people from public life with fearmongering and goes no deeper. gendered bathrooms are a modern contrivance, we didn’t evolve to segregate ourselves when shitting for safety or whatever bullshit. you’re only helping legitimize hate when you inject weird pseudoscientific bullshit narratives like this.
I know this is the least bad part of the story, but it stuck out anyway:
After a lengthy drive to the bar, Strobel said he stepped inside to use the men’s room. However, there were no stalls—only urinals, rendering it inaccessible to him as a trans man.
Precisely where are men supposed to shit in this establishment?
That’s what sinks are for
No shit.
On the manager’s desk would be ideal if you can get away with it
Real men dont wipe their booty 🕳️, so they just #2 in the garbage can
Plenty of trans guys have stand-to-pee devices.
But where do they shit?
Thanks, much better than a meme.
i will always upvote erin reed & co.
Don’t expect any logic from regressives. What they want is not for trans people to use a specific bathroom. They want all trans people dead.
having talked to some, they seem to want trans people detransitioned. Which is somehow more disgusting.
Thats only their current public agenda. Trans people not existing at all is their end goal though, and every step on that path they will keep going further until there are death camps
Trans death camps are not something I can envision in today’s political climate, but if the west tilts irreversibly into fascism it’s quite possible.
They dont care what bathroom a person uses. It’s not about the restroom … it’s about legal harassment.
Also … what the fuck are people doing to get gender checked and arrested? There is no law about obeying the gender sign (at least not in my state or any state I have been in). Is walking into the wrong bathroom a crime or something?
The bar owner harassed them personally. They charged them with trespassing and public intoxication, despite the fact they consumed no alcohol and were not breathalyzed.
Fuck these corrupt police, and fuck that bar owner.
Hopefully when MAGA falls out of fashion in 3.5 years there is still enough time for lawsuits and punishment.
good luck with that one.
Fascism doesn’t fall out of fashion
It has increasing been made a crime in various states to various degrees. See the woman who was arrested in the Florida statehouse and the college bathroom ban in Ohio.
Dystopian. That’s fucked.
This is dumb as f.
Just make all male bathrooms gender neutral. Bam crisis averted.
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At work they put in a bunch of these during a renovation a few years ago. Only problem is we hit hard times and didn’t renovate more bathrooms so these are far away. I make the trek over to them when I need to poop though. So much nicer than the men’s room.
If they changed building code so all new buildings did that it would solve the issue. but my solution won’t change existing infrastructure. Its just a sign change.
because the point is still to impose arbitrary rules on us that force us to out ourselves so that we can be more easily identified and hate-crimed, and that user’s tone-deaf fake-ally talk-over-the-queers-not-to-them clownworld-ass reply to me elsewhere in the thread makes it painfully obvious.
It’s not dumb. It’s exactly what they want: to remove trans people from public spaces entirely.
I would consider arbitrary rules that are intentionally impossible to follow based on hate is very very dumb.
Yeah that works, but often male toilets currently only have one stall. Would need to shift that balance for this to be an effective strategy.
Or north Carolina where no stalls in bars. I guess men dont poop.
Do you want drunk people shitting in the urinal? Because this is* how you get drunk people shitting in the urinal!
no trans women would still get the shit beat out of them by phobes, because they outed themselves going in the “neutral” bathroom instead of the women’s, and cis women who look “too masculine” would still be harassed (and worse) for using the “wrong” bathroom.
this is not a solution, this is just ignorant as hell about the actual problem, which was never actually about which bathroom people use. you should listen to trans people instead of whatever pussyfooting milquetoast “totally apolitical” white guy podcast gave you this stupid ass idea.
Sounds like recipe for jail time for the phobes. we all know the transpobes just want to hurt “the trans” but use the “protect women” as their bs message. My take fine then “take up the mantel” put them with you a-hole. If you melt like a snow flake or lash out it just proves how pathetic you are and it wasn’t about “protecting” anyone just cruelty.
Besides there are legitimate reason why women would want to use another bathroom as an option. Ever see the women vs men bathroom line? Way longer on avg. Sometimes you got to go and jail time for going is bs.
This story is literally a story about someone following your “advice”. A trans man used the bathroom transphobes would legally require him to use. Phobes melted down. Hurled slurs at him, threw him to the ground, screaming, yelling etc. The trans man got arrested.
The phobes weren’t “proven to be pathetic”. The phobes were empowered, because they got someone they hate arrested, despite that person doing nothing wrong. The trans man, following the law though, ended up in gaol overnight, was legally barred from entering that bar again, and got a fine for disorderly behaviour.
Your advice just gets trans people hurt, and does nothing to the phobes except empower them. It’s easy to offer advice from the sidelines, when to you it’s all just about the purity of the idea. But your idea is worse than useless. It’s actively harmful.
after going back and forth with that guy i’m pretty sure he’s just here to troll. nobody is actually that stupid and tone-deaf.
No my advice is use not the bathroom for the chromosomes you have. Im cause its a catch 22 and we all know it. The current law is hard bs and intended to be. Change the mens bathroom to gender neutral and there is no more catch 22.
your idea is bad and you’ve been told why. you don’t want to listen to trans people at all, and you keep letting phobic rhetoric slip while advocating for stupid fucking shit that would fix nothing and only end in us getting hurt.
it’s really clear that you’re a hateful bastard here to play games, why the pretense? are you really that much of a coward you nazi shithead?
Gender neutral bathrooms exists right now. All I want is to expand them to every building by replacing the mens room with a sign change. This way no one goes to jail. I had no idea nazis cared so much expanding gender neutral bathrooms everywhere.
number one, women can be phobes too. it’s not restricted to men, as you weirdly imply.
number two, even if we ignore that and roll with the weird and blatantly false assumption that only men are transphobes… the solution is to force trans people to use the bathroom with the very people who want to hurt us?
if you care about trans rights you should listen to us on this and not double down on paternalistically explaining why your this deeply ignorant non-solution is best for us.
your outlook on the issue is complete nonsense with no bearing on reality, and you’re about as wrong as it’s possible to be on why trans people using bathrooms is an issue to begin with.
here’s the big hint for you again since you missed it last time: it ain’t about us using the bathroom and never was. it’s about other people making trouble for us any way they can. and here you are arguing that we, the victims, ought to have rules imposed on us that would obviously make us even less safe, for our own safety?
wherever you’re getting your ideas about queerness and queer issues from, stop it. they’re making you look like the stupidest fucking jackass i’ve ever communicated with.
TERFs exists sure. They weren’t a factor in anything I considered. Cause its not their bathroom in the concept.
the solution is to force trans people to use the bathroom with the very people who want to hurt us?
Just swap “trans” with “colour” and Imagine seeing this statement a few decades back when separate but equal was around in america. If fear of danger stopped them then people now would still be treated unfairly.
This way there is no legal repercussions and using existing infrastructure. If biological male transphobes got a problem with it they can learn to shut up like racists white folk did decades ago.
Sounds like recipe for jail time for the phobes.
also HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA if that happened we wouldn’t fucking be here you absolute nob.
As if people dont get arrested for hate crimes.
They’re obsessed with trans women.
That trans men also exist breaks them.
This would never have happened had a trans woman entered the men’s.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this idiot of a bar owner doesn’t even realize trans men exist and assumed this dude was amab and female identifying or something.
Republican laws working as Republicans intend.
Cruelty and oppression was always the point.
We all knew this would happen.
None of this would happen if we just did it in public. Just saying. /s
Oh, no, not falling for this one again. I just got off the list.
This has always been the point.
It has never been about which restroom trans people use, it was always been about being able to harass and vilify trans people.
The right doesn’t want to just enforce gender binary, they want to erase anything and anyone that falls outside it.
They (person in photo) can grow better facial hair than me. Fuck me man
He*
the man in the photo? the one with large text stating that he is a man.
a man.
he.
he is a man.
the picture of a man has large text beneath it saying that the picture is of a man.
there is text below the picture of a man which indicates that he is a man.
it is quite clear from contents of the image and the text that this individual is a man. it is a clearly labeled picture of a man.
he is a man. he being the correct pronoun to use when referring to a man, such as the man in the picture with text clearly indicating that he is a man.
he is a man
(translation for cis people:
i know you probably said “they” out of an abundance of caution born of a sincere desire to not offend and i get it.
what we need you to ‘get’ is that we’re all exhausted by this popular fake-ignorance pronoun game where people will do anything but gender us the way we present ourselves as long as they have plausible deniability to burn, and this is especially a problem for the guys.
please remember this and try to come from a place of understanding if and when someone mistakenly comes down hard on you: our enemies like to play dumb to fuck with us and it’s hard to know the difference sometimes, and we understandably tend to err on the side of defending ourselves.
for easy reference: someone is a man, it’s he/him. someone is a woman, it’s she/her. regardless if “trans” is next to it or not. those of us that use other pronouns will politely let you know, and take no offense at you not knowing a thing you couldn’t possibly know until you were told. you seem like an okay dude and im not mad at you in particular.)
SO TMEN DO EXIST, HUH
trans men. cool it with the fetish terminology, we’re not porn categories we’re people.
I’m pretty sure that recent UK Supreme Court case ended up making it illegal for trans men to use any public restroom. My understanding is that it forces trans women to use the men’s but has a carve out saying that trans men can’t use the women’s.
Can you provide a source? I’m curious to read more.
The whole situation is a dehumanizing mess.
People forget trans men exist. We’re invisible. Fuck that judge, we know what pronoun the source is replacing.
Every British terf needs to be abducted and forcibly given testosterone. Let them learn get a taste of their own medicine and be excluded from women’s spaces.
American freedom is about getting arrested when peeing in the wrong public bathroom.
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Not sure why you are getting down voted. I had friends faced with very uncomfortable choices if they were unable to get home at time.
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i don’t pass at all. i just want to piss and leave as quickly as possible, and i hate doing the whole “use the potty sitting down like you have a pussy” song and dance to avoid drawing attention, i ain’t got time to spend putting on a stupid show of using the bathroom “correctly” to mollify the normies. so i just ignore the stupid ass sign and use the damn urinal like the penis haver that i am and that i am absolutely fine with being. usually nobody cares. if the establishment has a problem with me using the bathroom i get a bottle or can off the ground, fill it with piss, and empty it on their doorstep so everyone tracks it in cause fuck em.
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The audacity of the Fucking piece of shit above me.
the audacity of the fucking piece of shit above the perfectly normal reasonable people above me
Go fuck yourself
Better yet, get off of Lemmy, this isn’t a place for this transphobe shit.
‘Lady’ implies a feminine gender of a high social or economical standing. As gender and sex aren’t the same, no, that’s incorrect. A more accurate description would be ‘man’
what i wanna know is how they justify a “lady” being arrested for using the ladies’ room.
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Oh no, spoOOooOooky!
I think they’re just an asshole though.
