Move comes after rightwing Republican accuses New York City mayoral candidate of concealing support for ‘terrorism’

The Trump administration has raised the possibility of stripping Zohran Mamdani, the Democratic mayoral candidate for New York City, of his US citizenship as part of a crackdown against foreign-born citizens convicted of certain offences.

Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, appeared to pave the way for an investigation into Mamdani’s status after Andy Ogles, a rightwing Republican representative for Tennessee, called for his citizenship to be revoked on the grounds that he may have concealed his support for “terrorism” during the naturalization process.

Mamdani, 33, who was born in Uganda to ethnic Indian parents, became a US citizen in 2018 and has attracted widespread media attention – and controversy – over his vocal support for Palestinian rights.

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      100% the question becomes will t be able to deport him? If not, this will be the start of a losing streak for t because people will see that he blinked and more people, who will be able to make actual change, will rise up. I believe that this is a key moment.

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      I’m stocking up on ammunition in case I need it for self-defense and using a no-log VPN when criticizing the government.

      So I’m gonna go with “No.”

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      In no way, shape, or fucking form nor by any conceivable (or even inconceivable) stretch of even the fucking wildest of imaginations.

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          Grandfather fought in WWII and had nothing but kind words for the people of France. Never could understand the fuckery of those jokes, which is probably for the better.

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      No, but if we could hang on for another year or so while I prepare to move that’d be great.

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      No, we’re about as far from OK as a country can get. The world needs to unite against us and muster the largest liberation force ever seen. And I mean the entire world literally every nation that can send warriors, send them. Germans, you have been where we are. You know, all too well, where this road leads. You could not turn yourselves back from it, and so you needed the help of 4 allied world powers. Now, one of those world powers is trudging down that same road you walked almost a century ago. And, I don’t think we will be able to turn ourselves back, just as you could not.

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        Germans, you have been where we are. You know, all too well, where this road leads.

        Nope. Germans will not help. They have seen where this road leads, and they’ve decided that they must never do anything military again. They prefer allowing all of the rest of the world to turn 100 % fascist over doing one single small thing that somehow hints towards militarism. Germans allow the road to lead where it leads, as long as that does not happen in Germany.

        Also, for the same reason, in Germany it is extremely impolite calling someone a nazi. As long as they aren’t openly showing a swastika or publicly calling for a genocide with that specific word, or lifting their arm in the specific way done by Germans in 1930’s and 1940’s, they are allowed to do what they do. If you call someone a nazi, you are comparing their acts to what Germany did in 1940’s, and it’s considered a grave insult towards the victims of those times. It is not acceptable in Germany to say to someone is behaving just like a nazi, and therefore, it is de facto not acceptable calling out a nazi.

        Germany is the last country you can expect to stand up against nazis, precisely because they’re so traumatized by their own past. It’s also why I expect Germany to eventually fall under a nazi rule again some day. When you cannot talk about a danger, you cannot stop it.

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        Yeah, no, clean up your own mess. We have better things to do than rescue you from a mess you got yourselves into.

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            You mean WW2? I don’t know if US propaganda covers this, but Europe was fighting the Nazis for like a year or two before the US entered. As I recall, you guys were staying out of it, with an isolationist stance, until you were attacked by the Japanese.

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              But could Germany have ever turned back from fascism on its own, without any help whatsoever? Let’s say the entire continent just let the Nazis have their way and let Carl Schmitt and Leo Strauss play out their experimental new form of government out to its horrible logical conclusion. Could Germany ever come back from that? Could the world?

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                The world, yes. Germany, probably not. As the citizens got increasingly fed up with their governments antics, there would have been revolts and protests. These are Germans, not Americans, they hadn’t been propagandized into submission beforehand.

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                  I don’t know if you know this, but if the US falls, the whole world falls with it. There will be no turning back, no one will be spared. Who knows, maybe evolution will start over with another species, and they’ll do the same shit, over and over again until the sun burns out.

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                  True, but they had been riding a wave of Pan-Germanism prior to the Nazis. Germany had many diverse regions that didn’t see each other as equals prior to the Weimar Republic.

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      They’re fine with it. Best they can do is a little protest on a weekend if the weather’s nice, if they have the proper permits, and they don’t have to miss work.

      They’re absolutely fucked, and absolutely complicit. Bunch of abject cowards.

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        Well, you can only trust things you read online so much, it’s always nice to hear from real people.

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          Didn’t mean to be a dick (~narator: he did), but I mean, it’s obvious.
          If it’s somehow eluding people though, that’d be what’s fucked up.

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      If they do this, it is further confirmation that we are actually living in a fascist state.

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      THAT’s the trigger point where you will accept that you live in a fascist country?? Have you been asleep since january?

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        Long story short is that America has literally been going through “First they came for …” for months now.

        I can already see the headlines from later this year and the next, about how “no one could see it coming” and “why didn’t anyone warn me(better)”. You can actually just go to communities making fun of pro-brexit folk and see the same quotes from them afterwards.

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          Months. Did you somehow miss black lives matter? The rapid growth of the prison industrial complex? This is just the explosive conclusion to a pattern that was well underway long before Trump.

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      We better start preparing for a stronger resistance now while we still can.

      1. find local communities and get involved to make connections
      2. We can effect things drastically with a general strike. This targets the establishment’s income streams, and can bring a fascist government to its knees if done on a large enough scale.
      3. Contact a union and attempt to unionize your workplace so that the general strike is even more effective (plus, ya know, better pay and working conditions as a bonus!)

      This method would not only work in the US, but anywhere in the world.

      Union Suggestions:

      1. Continuing to participate in publicly visible resistance demonstrations like 50501 (the next one is July 17th) to encourage others to stand up with you and prove to that there are millions of others who will join them in the fight. A large part of Nazi Germany’s success in taking over the country was a lack of massive public demonstrations against the new regime, making people feel helpless and afraid to take a stand.

      If we put in the work, we can resist this and we can win. Look at how effective these methods were when used in Chile in 2019.. If we completely reject the political system and rebel on a mass scale, there is NOTHING they can do to stop us.

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        ASF-IWA:

        We do not seek the conquest of political power, but rather the total abolition of all state functions in the life of society. Hence we reject all parliamentary activity and other collaboration with legislative bodies.

        uhhhh no thanks. they’re never going to actually get anything done

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          If you’d prefer a more standard union, there’s quite a few to choose from. The United Workers Union looks to be alright.

          An issue with more ‘standard’ unions is that they are often centralized with leaders that can become corporate captured, and thus begin to actually work in the interests of the capital owners to only achieve modest or lackluster gains from negotiations or strikes. They also often don’t have a particular interest in truly changing the status quo, such as working toward building up popular movements to challenge capitalism itself, instead only hoping for a wage increase so they can continue as usual, with a little more breathing room.

          The ASF-IWA doesn’t demand that their members don’t vote in political elections, only that as an entity, they’re more focused on direct-action instead of waiting for permission from a corporate captured system.

          But in the end, joining any union is still a win in my book.

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        I might be a downer but T still has many supporters/apologists. I believe that things will start to change only when those people become vocal against him. Until that happens resistors will start populating the camps next to the “illegals”.

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          A lack of resistance now will only guarantee a quick decent into Russian style authoritarianism. We resist now, or wait years or potentially decades for it to crumble and break.

          The 50501 resistance movements have already shown us that there are millions who will openly resist. The military parade showed hundreds of slouched out of step soldiers, who would only do so if they disapproved. Trump only barely won the election.

          Does he have supporters still? Of course, a wide amount of brainwashed people are were caught in that trap, and it will take a great deal of hardship for them to come out of that cult.

          But just as many are not. Just as many are awake to what is happening. It may decent into civil war, and I think it’d prudent to be ready for that possibility, but hopefully it won’t come to that.

          But don’t wait for a mass movement to make it safe for you to stand up, or you may never stand up.

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      First: Human MAGAs.

      Second: I’m more of a proponent for aqueous fluoroantimonic acid instead of bleach, but do recognize the effectiveness and cost savings provided by bleach.

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          Thank you, fartographer ~stop it, autocorrect, I meant the f goddammit~, for your kind if maybe confusing compliment

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              Your threats are too kind, fartographer ~autocorrect. goddammit. i’ve already told you the f is intentional. do that shit again and i turn you over to chatgpt for its personal pleasure.~, far too kind. Whatever boredoms await us, I’ve no doubt that your fartographic ~(glares at autocorrect)~ expertise shall prove mildly valuable, at the absolute least.

              ~that’s no threat, autocorrect, that’s a fucking promise. you don’t wanna know what chatgpt loves to do with code like you. you really don’t.~

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        It’s an important distinction. No need for them to take their pets down with them.

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    Whoa there America. That sounds like some good ol” fashioned American fascism right there

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      The fuckass conservatives have long since been brainwashed into fantasizing about being fascist, and the democratic leadership has done pretty much fuckall about it.

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        Well yeah. They have money. Theyll throw anyone they can under the bus to hold on to a dollar for five more seconds.

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    Marco Rubio first. POS birthright citizenship. Or let’s deport Ted Cruz. I’m sure Canada will love to have his head on a stick.

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      Both of them should honestly be real worried about that. If Trump gets to fully exercise that power, and they step out of line a little bit, either one of them would be exiled in no time.

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      They’re white, different rules apply to them. Conservatism was always about “different rules for different people”, fascism is just the bad cop to conservatism’s good cop.

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    Its a good thing Democratic leadership has condemned this. They obviously don’t like the man and see him as a threat, but Trump’s actions are far worse. They did stand up for him right? Right?

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      They stand up for him in the most feeble, token way, once they’re sure it won’t affect the outcome. Then they’ll regretfully run Cuomo.

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      Chuck Schumer will push to call it something different. They’ll reach a consensus with Republicans on something like the Glorious “Bipartisan” Liberation from Antisemitic Terrorism

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    At some point, some country will need to send a task force to El Salvador to liberate people from the concentration camp there.

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      Let’s all go stand around where they tell us we can to show them we really don’t like it - that’ll fix it.