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Fucking shameful.
Captured Congress, doesn’t matter which side when it comes to Israel.
Sad but true. Democrats are slightly better, but not much.
They claim to be.
No, they are. Israel hates the Democrats. But like I said, it’s a very slight degree of difference. Biden sent humanitarian aid to Gaza despite what Israel said. Trump brags about wanting to deport all Palestinians.
Israel hates the Democrats
Yeah, no one likes someone who is so desperate for approval that they have no morals.
Their PR is better for progressives.
Who’s PR?
I’m not sure if there’s a typo there so I’m going to answer the two most likely options.
Whose PR? The Democrats.
Who is PR? public relations
The Democrats PR is better for progressives? Compared to what?
So our choices are Nazi’s or genocidal maniacs. Fuck the DNC.
No they’re both genocidal maniacs, one also dabbles on the homefront.
What kind of a messed up headline is that?
Serious question, what is wrong with the headline? The article is only 4 paragraphs long and the headline basically sums what is written in the article. Id get it if you thought the article itself was shitty but I stared at the headline long enough without seeing anything wrong so I gotta ask, what am I missing?
The headline reads as if by voting against the embargo, they were recognizing a Palestinian state. Of course, with a bit of general knowledge about the situation, it should be clear that that is not the correct reading.
It’s an example of “headlinese”, the odd rules used to shorten headlines. It’s at least decades old and comes from newspapers where space was limited. In this case the comma subs in for “and”.
That said, I agree it’s old-fashioned and confusing, and wouldn’t be missed if news sites collectively agreed to stop doing it.
It just hit me that I use “headlinese” in pull request titles at work.
Can you really count “Fixes” as headlinese?
Thank God I don’t commit like that. Or worse, all downcase.
Fixed headlinese:
Democrats vote down resolution calling for arms embargo on Israel, Palestinian state recognition
A headline is supposed to convey a simple straight forward summary of the article, without any question or confusion about the content.
This headline is anything but straight forward … it can mean multiple things to multiple different groups of people … and the writer and news agency can feign ignorance and call it all a misunderstanding if anyone reading it questions the headline.
A sign of a bad news agency or an unreliable source is when they produce headlines that beg more questions about the presentation, journalist, writer, or news agency than the actual article they shared.
I thought it was straightforward.
Democrats voted on a resolution for an arms embargo, and the vote failed.
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My first assumption was that it was only the Democrats voting, which seems to have been the case, as it was a DNC internal vote. If there were more than democrats voting on it, then to say that it was the democrats who were voting would seem to me to be unnecessary or misleading.
They certainly could have mentioned the DNC in the title to make it more more clear, though.
Yeah I still don’t understand the people having a problem with this?
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That’s actually less straightforward
What things? How are you reading it that’s what I’m not understanding either. You say it can convey multiple things but I’m not seeing it.
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The main problem with the headline is: which Democrats where? Which country? Is this an important bill with grave consequences or an opinion poll?
Come on now. For which Democrats and which country don’t be naive. Intellectual dishonesty is never been helpful for anyone ever and you should stop practicing it. As for the other two questions that’s not necessary for a title that’s what the article is for. That’s the context you’re supposed to get from reading articles not skimming titles.
Those are answered in the article.
Look, “Times of Israel” is not a source that I know or trust. So I’m not going to waste my time clicking through and reading the article, unless I’m convinced this is a really noteworthy story that’s worth reading.
So in that sense, the headline writers have failed to convert me into a reader. Because I can’t tell if this is the entire House Democratic caucus; or if it’s the Democratic party convention of Putnam Co., GA; or if it’s democratic reformers in monarchical Saudi Arabia.
The only time Democrats and Republicans in congress can put aside differences is when it’s to support Israel or fuck over progressive candidates.
As though democrats do anything else.
as if they are the same, uniparty.
This is why people say during elections that it doesn’t matter which partythey vote for
It made it easier for the Nazis to walk in the front door.
There’s bipartisan support to keep arming fascists. The nazis are calling from inside the house.
I think the point is that there’s Nazis and there’s flamboyant Nazis. Aye is pronounced the same on both sides of the aisle, as evidence by their voting records.
Do you guys think Jeffrey Epstein was the first or the only guy using videos of United States politicians engaging in pedophelia to blackmail them for Israel?
Do you think Tom Artiom Alexandrovich knew Epstein, or his associates/handlers in Israel?
To the surprise of no one.
What about republicans? How did they vote?
Exactly the same as the Democrats. Uniparty strikes again!
Given that it was an internal DNC vote… they didn’t
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I voted for Harris despite being a progressive social democrat with many preferred ideal candidates. I wasn’t a couch sitter or part of the uncommitted vote.
But this comment is beyond absurd, lol.
This is exactly the time to be critical of the terrible oppositional leadership. Best time in fact to reform the Democratic party since we’re powerless to do anything else.
Either you recognize this, or I’ll tag you as a Trump supporter because believing otherwise literally only helps Republicans in 2026 and 2028.
These people just don’t believe in or don’t want the world to be better. I voted Harris and will probably still vote for whatever presidential ghoul the Democrats push on us, but I’m done providing an ounce of support to team blue beyond that.
The party needs to be undermined for things to get better, because the party has done jack all to prove themselves. They have not been allies, but feudalistic opportunists exploiting the fascist takeover rather than doing anything productive. Unless we force them to share power with the left, they’ll just take our support to line their pockets
However, people hear my criticism and only hear me as an anti-voter who will hurt their precious saviors. It’s infuriating that they love the blue boot so much that they’ll shit on anyone who refuses to deepthroat it.
OK, let’s break this down.
a) Democrats are not in control
b) They didn’t signal support for a two state solution, even when there were 0 real costs because they are not in control
c) there’s 0 reason to believe they would have voted differently if they were in control
ergo, this is very relevant, even if Republicans are worse.
Most incumbent Democrats need to be primaried out.
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Wasn’t expected to pass because the Democratic politicians are so removed from their base on this issue.
People should only vote for things that they think are going to win, rather than voting their conscience?
And what nuance, logic, or common sense do you have to offer exactly?
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I complained when biden was in office too, because he sucked ass.
I was part of the very vocal group that wanted him replaced on the off chance the democrats ran someone with any sort of platform better than “atleast we aren’t trump” but then they ran “stronger borders than trump” harris and I said fuck that too.
it’d be nice if your party ran someone that isn’t actively trying to make things worse but at a slower pace.
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You’re welcome! 😘
Don’t blame the left when your 2028 blue maga fascist loses to the red maga fascist.
“blue maga fascist”
Oh…kay…
It was the DNC, not House or Senate. Wouldn’t have been binding in any sense of the word … so why not vote it through?
The article answers that question.
The chairman of the DNC wanted a more hardline bill,, and when he didn’t get that, he withdrew the resolution and vowed to build a coalition behind it for next time.*
You will also forget about all the damage republicans and trump does when they are no longer in control. Topical stupid cultist logic
While I wouldn’t say it in quite the same terms as you, I feel what you are saying. I still have Young Turks in my podcast feed, and even as Taco is sending storm troopers into the country and flooding the zone with awful stuff meant to dismantle this country and completely end voting and end all freedoms, most of the content on TYT seems to be…raging at Israel and much of the time raging at Democrats over it. You’d think it was the only thing happening right now given the amount of episodes dedicated mostly to Gaza/Israel. I haven’t caught up on Useful Idiots podcast either, but they suffered the same problems.
Yes, it’s not great. But they should really consider the priorities here. Being a single issue person on Israel?
We have a fascist in the WH right now. Flogging the Democrats over Gaza and Israel is just performative bullshit at this point.
Side quest - anyone have any good progressive podcasts to recommend? One that has not been taken over by scolds obsessed with Oppression Olympics and tone policing and shaming white men? One that addresses the problems of oligarchy and is not obsessed with talking about Israel and Gaza all the time? One that is actually looking to bring people into the fold, rather than coming up with criteria on filtering them out?
Have you ever considered that maybe ignoring the anti genocide criticisms contributed to the Democrats’ loss in 24? Have you ever considered that telling much of their base to stop complaining about it was not wise electoral politics? Have you ever considered that banning social media popular with the youth for doing the same spying that all corporate social media does was a bad idea? Did you even notice that they downplayed the severity of economic suffering, allowing Trump’s anti solutions to be the only electoral voice to real pain? (it’s the economy stupid!!!)
Trump won because the Democrats lost. They suck at being popular because corporate allegiance ties their hands from providing a populist alternative to fascism. They made so many tactical errors and have done nothing to course correct. I don’t need to talk about the substance of Gaza to explain why the Dems fumbled it. They ignored and rejected voices that mattered, not only on that, but on countless other issues.
They backed away from supporting trans people in the campaign, lost, and only continue to distance themselves from us. They don’t need to put up that distance; they could just ignore the issue and focus on the economy and violation of human rights by fascists, but they don’t; they choose to complain about kids who just wanna play sports, because they never really wanted to be our allies. We didn’t push them away; they did.
You just ran through a litany of other things that weren’t Gaza/Israel.
It’s kind of my point - treating Gaza and Israel as if it is the only issue was likely set up intentionally as a wedge issue and it only helped Taco get in. And he’s going to be even worse on it, and he’s very likely to completely end America, possibly killing millions in the process. Right now his lackeys are putting up gigantic Big Brother/North Korean style banners of his visage…and getting set to occupy more cities with the military.
When I don’t see the morally pure people getting into a circle jerk over their superior ethical system, I mostly now see them silent on this. Maybe the occasional drive-by. Certainly I have not seen them say one cogent thing regarding this since the election. I guess they are just on a higher moral plane than all the rest of us mere mortals trying to wrestle with all the other existential crises at play here. Or it could be many/most of them were just paid actors meant to divide the opposition, kill morale, and drive down the election turnout.
Holy fucking shit, you really didn’t understand my point and you never will. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised given you see the people who refuse to listen to concerns as the ones in the right. I hope one day you escape your own ass, but I’m not betting on it.
Supporting Genocide abroad and allowing, often supporting even, the Fascist takeover at home aren’t separate issues. They are two sides of the same coin and we see with this decision again, that supporting the Genocide comes with supporting the Fascist takeover rather than fighting it.
Democrats will negotiate with anyone except the victims of a genocide.
Not true. They will negotiate with anyone wealthy, powerful, and who donate to them like the AIPAC. It just so happens that the victims of genocide tend to not fall into that group.
Oh, so now they can stop things. I see.
forming a task force with a diverse set of stakeholders to discuss the matter further
I guess we can just infer what this means…
I’m sure this is somehow Trump’s fault /s
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I wonder if they sung the fight song while doing this…
