NEW YORK — Leaders of Young Republican groups throughout the country worried what would happen if their Telegram chat ever got leaked, but they kept typing anyway.
They referred to Black people as monkeys and “the watermelon people” and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping their enemies and driving them to suicide and lauded Republicans who they believed support slavery.
I’d love to say this surprises me, but it does not in the slightest.
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Yes, pretty much the type you’d expect to be a young Republican.
Bet you they all have amazing parents too
I’d love to say this surprises me, but it does not in the slightest.
100%. These assholes have been trained to gaslight and trot out nonsense about Robert Byrd being in the Klan like 100 years ago, or that Democrats were the real racists because of shit that happened before the 1960s, and completely ignoring (or lying about) things like the Southern Strategy and how the parties completely re-aligned since the Civil Rights era.
Thing is, I’m a white guy and I know how these motherfuckers talk when they think they are in a safe space. I grew up in an area that was overwhelmingly Republican, deeply racist and nearly 100% white.
They ain’t fooling me, I can tell you that much. This ain’t my first rodeo, I’ve heard all this shit before, and I’ve seen these mofos in action online since the BBS days, and shortly after that, the USENET days. I don’t care what kind of rhetoric they try to dress their “movement” up with and it doesn’t matter what protocol or platform they are on…their methods and tactics like employing the Gish Gallop should not fool anyone, either.
Thing is, I’m a white guy and I know how these motherfuckers talk when they think they are in a safe space.
Same! I have the added pleasure of being a big, bearded, “straight-passing” gay man. I get to have really fun moments were the Republicans around me say despicable things about gays, I tell them I’m actually gay, then they trip all over themselves to explain how they’re actually totally cool with the gays. I call them out for being racist when that happens too. Making them uncomfortable by calmly shining light on their own words is one of my favorite group activities.
I’m bi, but straight passing. I got that southern boy look and draw in my voice. I do hard labor and I’ll jam out to some red dirt country music…and boy when I speak my.mind to folks like that, they don’t know what to do. I understand how you feel. It’s funny, but also annoying. Just cause we share the same pigmentation doesn’t mean we share the same views.
Now that I’m an adult and in not such a red area, I do notice times when I’ll get what I think are probably a few trial balloons. When I don’t bite, they don’t go any further. For example, some comment about “men in women’s sports”. Or how they will say they “identify as an attack helicopter”. Or how they should “put on a wig and a dress” so they can go into the women’s bathroom. That last one always amazes me, and I think I’ve heard it way too many times for it to be purely anecdotal. I do think the trans stuff is the go-to for this kind of thing as attacking trans is still considered mostly okay, and it’s the gateway drug for the rest of it…
But back when I was a kid/teen/adolescent - in the 70s/80s/early 90s - wow, some of the stuff just said casually, nearly all the time - unbelievable, even back then.
and how the parties completely re-aligned since the Civil Rights era.
“Completely” is wrong. The economically progressive policy on one side and crony-capitalist on the other have not shifted places.
One can rather describe it in the “Nazi bar” terms, racists jumped from the Democrat “bar” to the Republican “bar” and changed it for their ideas, but only where the racist categories were not orthogonal.
The end of the Dixiecrats
I want to like this comment 10 times. I feel like I’m reading my clones thoughts.
Pretty much defines Republicanism today. Way too many people in denial about how extreme they’ve gotten.
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I don’t get it.
Oh, I’ve never seen it in emoji form so I totally didn’t make the connection, haha. Thanks for the reminder.
I used to be an internet edgelord, until I recognized that it doesn’t matter if you aren’t actually a bigot when you act like one online. The impact is the same, it makes the real ones feel more comfortable in their views.
I also came to this realization around age 16, and it sounds like these guys are in college…
Up to age 40, not just college-age
The thing about being edgy is that it shouldn’t necessarily imply a particular political bias but if it always goes One Direction that’s indicative
One of the “Alt Right Playbook” videos talks about how the right wing don’t argue against each other. I don’t like internet videos, but i make an exception for this series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4
Yep. I don’t know about similar communities on Lemmy because I avoid them like the plague, but I’ve been on reddit long enough to know that r/conservative is famous for preemptively not allowing anyone who doesn’t agree with them and immediately banning anyone if they go against the grain even a little bit, accusing them of being leftist infiltrators.
It’s the only way they can maintain their hateful bubble and their persecution fetish.
It makes for a very predictable pattern whenever something happens that MAGAts would be expected to dislike. They stay silent about it until someone higher up shows them an acceptable response or viewpoint and they all fall in line for fear of being ousted.
Lemmy leans left, which means we are all constantly arguing about it
Except they fight all the time.
Similar with social media but I am making an exception for the Fediverse:-)
It’s honestly a tactic we need to adopt. No more infighting, no more purity testing, no more abstaining
Nah fuck that shit.
Diversity is strength.
Diversity is a strength when everyone shows up, it doesn’t do you any good when you’re undermanned
Can you stop arguing with me and just agree with my point?
I’m not falling for that. The one view should be whatever proves objectively most appealing
Diversity doesn’t require anyone argue.
One thing that snapped me out of that phase was a psychology professor saying your actions define what you are.
I don’t think there are as many edgelords anymore anyways. Since the Trump MAGA era nobody pretends. It’s all out in the open now. You either are or you aren’t. Nobody hides behind the “it’s just a joke bro” stuff like in the older internet eras. The bigots aren’t hiding their power level anymore.
I definitely know people who still pretend it’s just a joke.
Same story for me as well and changed around the same age. It’s all fun and games until you realize most of these guys are not in on the joke.
And some idiot in one discussion still tries to convince me there is a difference between Republicans and Nazis…
And instead of disavowing these scumbags, JD Vance is saying it’s not a big deal.
Just more “locker room” talk from the fascists.
Does that mean we can make Charlie Kirk jokes?
There was never any reason to stop. The GOP shot him too.
Just like how it’s “locker room” talk about committing sexual assault.
wow… this is unbelievable to everyone who has never seen or heard a republican before.
Both sides, right?
These are Charlie Kirk’s people.
It’s amazing to me that there are genuinely this many white nationalists/nazis irl. I honestly had no clue people were this awful and prevalent.
I’ve never seen people more openly willing to hate other humans based on race, gender or sex.
Why do we get to exist as a species if we are this toxic to ourselves?
Hating and differentiating people based on race is pretty rational as long as you believe race is a real thing. That’s kinda why it’s called race-ism.
I’ll grant “differentiating”, sure, but hating? Hard disagree.
People end up hating/rationalizing people being bad because they believe they believe people are different races.
There’s a big difference between something being rational and being able to rationalize it.
Indeed.
Race is a thing. It is a social construct, but it’s a thing.
There is only one race: the human race.
Everything else are variations.
(Not counting other species of course)
Ok, but that doesn’t mean that the concept of race doesn’t exist in the minds of most humans. Unfortunately.
Exactly - just because a thing is a social construct, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or that it somehow doesn’t affect people in real ways.
Racism is a real thing. Culture is real. Nationality is real. Ethnic heritage is real.
But race is not, in the same way that my made up category of “things that i think are bad” is not real. Yes, it exists, I guess for some people. But as a universal concept that is solidly definable, no.
Wanna try? Define me a race.
Beings are only a different race if they can not produce an offspring together, as I recall from school 🧐
You’re thinking “species”. And even then it isn’t cut and dry.
And it might be that they’re sometimes able to have offspring, but the offspring is sterile.
I am not a biologist though, and could be wrong.
Yea, seems I recalled wrong xD
People are very very awful. The internet reveals their true selves. That’s why Ultron wanted to end humanity.
Not necessarily, I dont wanna be that guy but I was joining in with the edgy racist shite on 4chan about 15 years ago because I thought it was all humour. Its possible a lot of these are just edgy teens thinking its all japes. I mean if its not, fuck them right off, but there’s still hope that theres not as many truly awful people as might seem.
I gave up on 4chan when I started realising it looked like I was the only one laughing.
See, the thing is, though, this stuff is poison. It’s locker room bs at first, but, fundamentally it’s tribalism and deviancy division between in-groups and out-groups.
The more you dig and learn about psychology, sociology, and history, the more you ☹️ because you realize… It’s us.
My partner and I were just talking about deviancy theory earlier today, and were discussing whether or not technology has moved too fast. Yes = our brains are lizards and the internet is amplifying our current weaknesses as a species. No = ?
Yes, but THIS prevelant in real life was a suprise.
We do give them a lot of attention. We should but we also need to remember how badly they see out numbered
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We might very well be solving that problem ourselves right now.
NYS Assembly benefits administrator here. I can’t wait to process the termination paperwork for Peter Giunta. It will be the highlight of my work week. Edit: I got to process the paperwork today!
Peter Giunta, who at the time was chair of the same organization, wrote in a message sent in June that “everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber.”
Looks like you’re not the washed up one, after all.
As if to put an even finer point on it. I just watched blackkklansman today and they really hammered home that that bullshit is not in the past, it is the present reality we live in. Opening lemmy to see the exact shit the white supremacists in the movie spewed is almost poetic in a fucked up way.
I cruised reddit the other day and was surprised at the boomer sexism all over the page.
Everyone with morals or if you hated Nazis got banned!
Some of us just left before the IPO made everything worse.
Which it has, obviously.
You said you hate nazis. Banned for inciting violence.
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
Yup these are his people, never forget that he was a mod of r/jailbait. Pedophile party all the way through.
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“If we ever had a leak of this chat we would be cooked fr fr,” he wrote.
Get cooked, fuckface. nihilist racist pieces of shit
Great job on Politico’s part, though.
What’s wrong with “nihilist”?..
Catching all sorts of strays lately.
Nihilist doesn’t mean “is cool with murdering people”
On it’s own, nothing really? As long as you don’t let that nihilism justify making life worse for others.
Combined with racism and the rest of the bigotry on display in these leaked exchanges, I think it’s useful to distinguish between someone whose ignorance has allowed them to be co-opted by bigotry against their own interests, and someone who justifies their bigotry because “nothing really matters”. I also think it’s useful to accuse them of not actually believing in anything when they’re running a political movement. Especially if the target audience for that movement does have a belief that some things intrinsically matter (be it democracy or, more likely here, the christian faith).
I’ll readily admit I was mainly trying to go for more than just “racist pieces of shit”, while having a clear impression from the tone and content of the leaked exchanges that there is an undercurrent of nihilism that is, if not fueling them, then at least lubricating them. If you have a better suggestion I would love to hear it.
The Hitler Youth is back, although they never really left.
There will probably be no consequences anyways.
Absolutely fucking wild.
PSA for new folks: please don’t feed the troll in this thread.
My money is on them being a fed, not a troll.
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It’s YOUR JOB to give them consequences.
But no, just go to your No Kings parade and pat yourself on the back for “doing your best.”
This is like telling someone that is depressed that they need to smile more.
Makes you feel better anyone who has dealt with it just sees an asshole.
Great. I’ll make sure to coddle you. And meanwhile, you get steamrolled by Nazis.
This is fun. Of this was a hundred years ago, you definitely would be blaming the Jews for being sent to concentration camps.
Wha do you reckon Americans do? They’re fucked no matter what. You can condescend all you want but you have just as much power as they do to help them: None
Bullshit
Good luck! You’re really making a difference posting garbage online!
Nah- so much. My impact is about equal with that of the “No Kings” protest. So… you know. Cute, mostly well-intentioned, but ultimately useless.
Great ideas for solutions, you’re a genius! Way to go, champ.
Bending over before they even ask. How brave of you.
I think you need to focus on your own country’s issues.
In other words, go away.
Aren’t you Canadian?
Yeah. You might remember us from a few solid decades of telling you this was going to happen. Remember, when you got shitty and belligerent about it? “America’s hat?” Something like that.
It’s interesting how when US liberals get defensive about their inaction they start sounding like US conservatives.
Jesus dude. Just want to be angry at someone, huh?
Most American response.
“Anger? That’s just so unpleasant.”
What do you suggest I do? Say it directly, psycho
It’s more interesting when America’s hat won’t shut the fuck up about a situation they have no power in effecting. Go bitch about your countries own shortcomings.
Congrats, you’re a Bush-era republican.
And you’re a current era Canadian with no power in US affairs. Don’t you have your own issues with corruption, genocide and rightwing bullshit? Fuck how pathetic to sideline whine about a game you aren’t playing in.
It’s possible to go to a protest, meet some people, and then go kick some Nazis together. Not everyone just holds a sign and stops there.
You could even add voting at the start of your list and it would still work out
Time to go beating children that I assume are Nazis I guess
This trash is 18-40 years old.
Hahaha, going to no kings IS the consequences a just a guy person can do
Everything else requires the correct circumstances and rare possibilities
What is so goddamned infuriating is how the RW assholes like Tucker pull that Murc’s Law shit - that if he finds that he “has” to vote for fascists, it is the liberals that made him do it, because they have been (rightly) pointing out what fascists the Republicans and conservatives really and truly are.
That’s some serious mental gymnastics there - the fascists that keep showing their hand are going to end up fascists because the meanie smarty-pants liberals called them fascists, and that’s the only reason they are fascists. Well, that, and most entertainment and universities and science and culture really are not overly friendly to the far right, and even might have - gasp - not attacked the already-marginalized. Those monsters. Yep, it’s entirely the fault of the “woke” mind virus that the fascists became fascists who voted for other fascists. No other reason. Some blue-haired trans with too many face piercings stole their masculinity or something.
Even worse, the fucking Tone Police among the “centrists”, the corporate/conservative mainstream media that is called the “liberal media”, and not a few Democrats help them in this bullshit narrative.
