Remember maintaining a household used to be considered a full time occupation for 1 adult per household.
We need to bring that idea back and separate it from gendered labor. 1 adult’s full time pay should always cover the cost of a home and family
2 part timers should be able to work also
As long as the math adds up. Right now you need 40 hours a day to do everything yourself
I assume you mean a week but I find what you wrote funnier
No, I meant a day. Like the meme in the post says, there’s not enough hours in one day for one person to take care of everything.
Instead of that, we now have unaffordable housing, which forces you into serial tenancies. The rent prices are so high you need to live with one or more people. All of you must work to make the rent. Also there’s a deposit, so you must somehow keep on top of the housekeeping, or you will owe money to the landlord. If that sounds unfair and ridiculous, that’ll be because it is. But if you complain, you’ll be the one that’s crazy, because that’s just the way the world works
Friendly reminder that medieval peasants only spent 20-30 hours per week working the land.
But that doesn’t mean the other hours were just leisure time, maintenance of tools, clothing, house, etc also took up quite some time.
This is not historically accurate. They had 2-3 months of religious holiday where they were not working. Also every Sunday, no work.
Don’t be an ignorant wage slave. It’s cringe.
They had 2-3 months of religious holiday where they were not working. Also every Sunday, no work.
I can only speak for myself, but I don’t work on Saturdays and Sundays. And I don’t have any religious obligations on those days, so I’ve got them all to myself.
So that’s almost two months worth of Saturdays and on top of that I’ve got a month of paid leave and 7 holiday days.
Work-wise I’m not going to day we have it better or that we aren’t being exploited, but I sure know I wouldn’t want to trade places with a medieval peasant.
Go find some billionaire’s balls to lick.
Additionally, in times when the crops required less care (so not planting or harvesting) peasants were required by their lords to do various amounts of labor. Like “build X feet of fences per year, mend Y feet of fences, serve Z days of conscripted labor”, etc.
So on the one hand, peasants weren’t ruled by the tyranny of the clock like we are, but on the other: work still had to get done, was much less efficient than today (bc technology), and was often unpaid
At the other hand, the lord did have obligations to the peasantry as well. Providing protection is a fairly well known one, but it could also be stuff like providing their people with meat at least once a week. An example that we know of is a case where a complaint was raised by peasants (and won!) because their lord had only provided fish (or maybe duck, as that was considered fish as well) for too long a period.
Simping for inequalityand theft of automation-gains, .world, name a more iconic duo
I’m not sure how adding a bit of nuance to the suggestion that medieval peasants might have less working hours than we do is “simping for inequality”.
I don’t endorse inequality, on the contrary. Hell, the party I vote for in my country is so left it makes Bernie Sanders look like a rightwinger in comparison.
a bit of nuance
But only one decontextualized fact that supports my position and not a more robust understanding or anything that would be be genuinely complicated. Not too much.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medieval-peasants-worked-150-days/
If anyone is promoting decontextualized facts, it’s those claiming midevial peasants only worked X days (with the implication being they had way more leisure time than modern workers). Not only is that claim contested, it does not account for unpaid work, and it only started being true at all after the black death, when economic activity ground to a halt and there were huge labor imbalances. It was not a good time to be alive.
The argument isn’t that it was a good time to be alive. The argument is that they did it and with no tools no modern machinery no fossil fuels no electricity they still had a world and food and shelter.
What is this statistic precisely? I assume that it’s on “average” AKA including people who only do housework.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medieval-peasants-worked-150-days/
Here’s some more context, and yes it doesn’t include housework.
Half the things you don’t need to do daily.
And there are hundreds of other necessary activities that aren’t listed here. What is your point? The point of the post is that this person (and many others) feel overburdened by the pressures and requirements of modern society. Pointing out that the specific chore of vacuuming doesn’t have to happen every day isn’t astute.
The whole comment would fit into literally any time period.
If that’s true, which I question very much as the pressures of modern society are significantly more encompassing than in the past, that only means we’ve been doing it wrong the whole time.
You’re right! Why should we try to fix it now?
We should make it even worse and then deny it was ever better than it is right now!
Work all day in the field
Sleep
Am I the only one who finds this impossible?
Also have three or four children to perpetrate the system, work for tips while studying, consume and save for your own retirement. And if you get sick, your whole family loses everything.
Oh, and be thankful you’re in the best possible economic system and socialism is bad, so bad.
What in OPs post is not applicable to socialism?
We’d have a lot more time for looking after our own wellbeing if we weren’t unnecessarily labouring so much. As time goes on, we are forced to work more and more, despite ever increasing productivity. Under capitalism, record profits are never enough
In Socialism there isn’t as much pressure. That way you don’t need to meditate. Also they cram everything into one day. You don’t need to meet friends an clean your house on the same day.
Add kids to the formula to receive your BurnOutTM even faster!
I dream of collective production and consumption of food. De-individualize feasting!
We’re supposed to live communally so you’re not the only one doing all this maintaining. You’re right, and I share your dream!
A better world is possible friend. We will see the world we dream of or live creating it for the people we love 😘
The walking 10k steps is bs.
10k was just arbitrarily picked. More walking is of course healthier than less though.
And traditionally one person (and/or a parade of children) contributed to those tasks full time.
exactly 10k is bullshit, but I don’t see why it still can’t be a cutoff. 3-5k is too low, 20k+ only happens when you are actually hiking or sightseeing all day while travelling (unless you have a work where you run back and forth all day)
The scientifically proven cutoff is 7,500 steps: https://mcpress.mayoclinic.org/nutrition-fitness/does-hitting-10000-steps-a-day-really-make-a-difference/
capitalism
Well, if you take an 8 hour shift with a typical commute of 2 hours total (there and back), paired with 8 hours of sleep, as well as shower, dress, equip for work, and eat a cooked meal for dinner, you’re looking at 3 hours of free time. 3 hours of life per workday. Paired with the commonality of working adults working 2 hours more, and sleeping up to 4 hours less because of either reclaiming free time, factoring in dating, working secondary and tertiary jobs, insomnia or otherwise, and those 3 hours could be no hours, or exhaustion leading to the time being spent just lounging, no hobbies. That is one reason why I don’t agree with this system.
The amount of people who are blaming the poor for burnout in this thread is unsurprising, since this is lemmy.
Liberals view poor as a failure of individuals, not society at large. Liberals hate the poor. Lemmy is liberal.
You need to lookup what liberal means, especially modern liberalism.
You’re describing conservatism and “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” bullshit, which is not lemmy in my experience. At all.
Yeah almost like liberals are closer to conservatives. Means testing doesn’t solve poverty, it’s why liberals do it.
Yes, it’s possible, until you have kids.
Tbf not all of these have to be done daily. I get the point, but yeah.
Get really good roommates and split costs. Me and mine hire a maid service because between our incomes we have everything we need covered. We also have our backs as far as commuting and food costs sometimes. It takes a village, modern society tries to tell us otherwise to keep us weak. Rigged individualism is not sustainable.
7.5 hours a day
I’m not sure if this is referring to work or sleep, but something that’s been bothering me about the ‘8 hour workday’ / a ‘9 to 5’ is that’s just not how it is in my experience. It’s 8:00 - 5:00 with an hour lunch break that is certainly less than an hour and at your desk.
I spend about 9.5 hours each work day in work mode.
Yea, we can’t actually just appear at work, and start producing instantly, then be home to enjoy the rest. Our whole lives have to revolve around work. It is the real reason people start losing IQ after a certain age.
Unfortunately, most managers cannot recognize the benefits of letting workers start their commute when said workers start the clock, and eat on the job if necessary reaps such vast rewards in long term employee retention and output.
