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- theguardian_us@ibbit.at
Across the US, people have been carrying their passports amid reports of citizens being detained. Five people explain what living this reality is like
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Lmao, you think ICE cares about passports, they are probably fake anyway.
It’s time to get out of the country. Treat the US as radioactive as China or Russia.
Oh no! We knocked your passport out of your hand and it flew into the gutter!
So I see you don’t have any documentation….I’m gonna deport you.
…meanwhile Steven Miller is hiding in the nearby storm drains with clown make-up on like:
Or “what do you mean I put your passport in my pocket? You didn’t give me a passport when I requested ID, so you’re clearly an illegal immigrant.”
Or revolt and fucking kick out the pricks in charge.
Best American liberals can do is good intentions, sorry- they won’t lift a finger.
One of these isn’t currently locking up americans at random.
No, but its own citizens and putting them in concentration camps.
Just came from Xinjiang. For awhile they were sending people to reeducation/prison/other programs for minor offenses, but those policies were changed over the last few years, presumably because it was unpopular with families.
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I’m not sure how the pic ties to your comment?
Just a pretty sunrise I saw when I was there.
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The papers please developer are leaving money on the table not making an updated American version.
They don’t wanna repeat game of thrones. They’ll wait till the last parts been written first.
Yeah ice won’t give a shit. They’re already telling people their id’s and birth certificates are fake.
“Papers. Now.”
The Nazis cared about your paperwork, and could be fooled by fake papers that looked good, because they cared about paperwork. These guys don’t care about documentation or paperwork, they’re just rounding up anyone they see.
Facts: ICE and DHS ignore legal paperwork if their AI software claims you are an illegal immigrant.
We have gone full fascist and dystopian in a year.
I carry a 1911. Fuck some piece of paper. I will not shut up. I will not cower in fucking shadows. I am afraid for the future of my country, but I am ready to die fighting to save my home. Your passport, driver’s license, social security card mean nothing to this brute squad. Folks have got to be ready for a fight. Many of us are going to lose it, but compliance is not going to make them play nice.
If you want to fight this without just handing this power to other oligarchs, come visit us at lemmy.ml :)
Sorry you did nothing then.
Please solve the problem in your own country before you infect the rest of us with your cancer.
Land of the free
Home of the scared.
This all reminds me of the video game “papers please”
I often wonder how much better off as a global society we’d be if the fucking 9/11 attacks didn’t happen. This feels like a natural extended outcome of irrational fear and hatred of those who are “others”.
The irony being americas mostly doing this to itself at this point. Although it doesnt surprise me they were 1 tragedy away from it given mccarthy and the red scare. There’s always been this reality that personal liberties are secondary to the goals of the political leaders.
US citizens will be carrying, and not passports.
passport card’s way more portable btw
Oh, snowflakes. It is absolutely the norm to carry IDs with you in other countries, and nobody bats an eye.
Most other countries don’t have police violently attack you and send you to some jungle prison for not carrying an ID.
Good for you. Here in america we are supposed to have rights. You do not need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of a crime.
And how is actual real life in America?
Depressing. The Trump cult are like glazed over zombies spewing nonsense
But now you know about the “supposed to have” part. I prefer having my ID card in my wallet, but not having to be afraid to be randomly abducted by the KKK in uniform.
I am from other country. The only ID I am required to carry with me is driving licence while driving. And in most cases it won’t be a problem if you do not have it. It is advisable to have ID with you while crossing a border, and it is required when taking a plane.
Besides that, I’m not required to carry any kind of ID with me at all. I am required to tell the police who I am when asked, and I am required to provide them with the ID if they need it. If they need it and I don’t have it, I can walk back home and give it to them or they can give me a lift back at home to get it.
Now, if you’re a visiting foreigner it is still advisable to have some kind of ID on you. But that’s mainly to avoid the hassle of explaining where you left it and having to go get it with the police.
Do you have States that were originally intended to function semi-seperately?
Not sure what you mean, I live in the European Union. States are independent and function separately.
I think you misunderstand. It’s normal in US to carry IDs, usually driver licenses. But those are state-issued IDs. They are becoming unreliable when dealing with federal authorities, however, because they don’t prove citizenship. For example, my permanent resident wife has a state ID, she also has a social security card, and other documents, but she is not a US citizen, so her ID she carries does not verify her right to be here. (She has another card for that, which until recently she likewise did not carry regularly since for 99% of needs the state ID is sufficient.)
A passport is one of the few federal IDs we have that also prove citizenship, and probably most Americans, or a very significant number of them, do not have one or did not have one until semi recently. It was about 12 years ago the US stopped accepting state ID to enter the US from Canada, which meant most people could cross that border without passport. Plenty of Americans have either never left the country or only traveled to Canada thus never needed a passport. (Kind of a big country.)
So yes, it is new for them to have to carry passports, which aren’t nearly as convenient as the existing state IDs which fit in a wallet, as well as, kind of a pain in the ass to replace if lost or stolen – it can take months to get a replacement. (Ditto for PR cards; last time she renewed her it took 14 months(!).)
As of a few years back you can now also get a “passport card” which is a federal ID (it is also a REAL ID, for you statesiders). I have both, and I do carry the card version with me.
Here, the federal level ID card is simply something to carry in your wallet, along with the driving licence. We have no state level IDs. The driving licence is not considered an ID document on its own.
Having or carrying around a bulky passport is not necessary. You only need it for visiting countries outside the EU.
You also probably don’t have States you fucking dumbass
I hope you run into some officer treating you like how ICE would, acting like your papers are fake
That’s why I’m happy to live in a civilized country.
Good for you. I will be sure show you the same amount of solidarity when this happens to you, because it will, as I doubt you are literally a billionare, but you never know.
Hey neighbour, Canadians don’t have to carry ID everywhere we go. We have actual freedom here.
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well i am from “other countries” and I assure you, as a citizen, I dont need to carry my passport. ID card? sure but only if you need to do stuff that inbolves using the ID e.g. paperwork at gov office, driving license stuff…etc. So most of the time I just leave it at home.
I’m Canadian. I don’t drive but I have a government ID. I lost it once and didn’t get around to replacing it for like two years. I got along fine without it and was never stopped by police demanding I prove I’m a Canadian citizen. Couldn’t buy liquor though. There was no election during that time and it was before i started using weed. You need ID to drive, board a plane, buy certain products, and vote but you’re not expected or required to carry it everywhere you go.
You don’t need the ID that often here, either. You need it in conjunction with certain official acts or legal requirements, be it for openng a bank account or voting.
I only had to show my ID to the police three times in my life. Two times as accompanying ID for the driving licence, and once when I accidentally drove my bike into a locked down high security area through a little known shortcut…
You have provinces, not States. Is there a reason I am unaware of that you would have an ID for your province rather than just for Canada?
… dude.
…do you know what a State is, from an American context?
Who was saying anything about States? Or provinces?
OK. I will help you, by asking clarifying questions which will help you help yourself.
Why would Americans be concerned that a federal ID is now more valid than a State ID?
What does Statehood mean to Americans?
What are the qualifications for a US citiczen to aquire a federal ID and how accessible is it for the average American to aquire one?
I was responding to a comment that claimed people in other countries need to carry ID everywhere and it’s considered normal. I was saying that in Canada, no we do not need to carry ID everywhere to prove our citizenship. It is, in fact, bad and alarming that Americans are starting to need ID to prove their citizenship under threat of being kidnapped by federal agents. I don’t know how your questions are supposed to be relevant to that point
You explicitly do not while traveling between countries in the EU
Many EU countries require ID, and you have to have one when visiting that country, just like locals do. (I had to travel to Spain from the Netherlands when my passport was stuck getting a visa once. So I ended up driving through Belgium and France without a passport, but a driver’s license is considered ID for most purposes in all four countries.)
Just going based on what I know about the Schengen Area
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The leopard is eating your face? That’s curious.
