Dear World: Stop mutilating children’s genitals.
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These boys died from an unnecessary procedure that should never have been performed on a child who cannot consent. Keep your child abuse out of it.
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Culture does not excuse child abuse. If they truly want to go through with this, let them do so as adults with minds that are fully developed.
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And you lazily hiding behind pure cultural relativism with absolutely no other explanation doesn’t make it not child abuse.
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People not from my culture can abuse children.
They can even, if they’re very very creative/completionist or maybe in a different climate, abuse them in a way the culture I’m from didn’t. Reactionary fetishization of indigeneity is only very slightly better than instinctive condemnation of a thing because it’s unlike you.
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If this were about “looking out for their children’s well-being,” then wouldn’t they follow the suggestions of doctors and specialists in the field of pediatrics?
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No, no, because you see doctors are secretly lizard people.
What’s your take on catholic priests abusing children?
The cultural institution of pederasty practiced by the noble terf islander civilizations serves to impart a certain stoicism and strength of character to their future leaders. Its a valid cultural practice, and just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
That’s what you sound like.
The “procedure” you’re referring to is, by definition, genital mutilation. Which is intentionally inflicting trauma on a child. That is child abuse.
If they were truly able to consent (which is not possible due to power imbalance), then maybe you’d have an argument. Maybe. But the truth is this “procedure” is for the express purpose of forcing puritanical beliefs and lifestyle into another. So, again, its literally child abuse.
Believing that your religious views override any of this? That’s bigotry.
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Your “cultural practices” ends when it harms another sentient being. Funny how you also want to harm the animals for selfish reasons by pushing misinformation on the plant-based diet to make excuses to eat the flesh and secretions of others.
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I think fetishizing and othering foreign cultures, suggesting they’re incapable of modern hygeine standards, etc,is also pretty fucking bigoted.
It is child abuse. You only do it because it’s always been done before. That’s what cultural means. You have No reason, other than, we’ve always done it, so we can never rethink it. That’s what you’re saying. Never question the reason. Don’t think about if it’s right or wrong, it’s “cultural” therefore we just do it blindly without questioning. And you, the person acting blindly, following cruel practices, just because they’ve always been done, thinks you’re in the right, and everyone who can think for themselves and question things, is just wrong. You know that’s delusional, right.
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The culture I’m from is mostly fucked up shit.
Just because it’s traditional does not mean it isn’t fucked up shit. Could I be wrong because I don’t know the context? Totally! But melanin is just color, not inherent fucking virtue. Don’t fetishize other cultures. They could suck as much as yours.
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The foreskin/glans is self cleaning, if it was this big hazard to our health and safety it would not have evolved.
Tell that to the appendix.
many cultural practices have practical origins
Yeah. I remember some of the ones practiced on me.
The practical origins were things like control, degradation, fear. Practical purposes are not always valid or good. Some cultures are fucked up and if everything about them burned it would be an acceptable sacrifice for the amount of bullshit we’re getting rid of.
early childhood infections
Okay. But Europe and Asia don’t do this, don’t have a long tradition of this. Do surrounding cultural groups?
What infections? Infections are well within the realm of academia, we study the shit out of infections, and with cis dudes doing most of the science finding, I think dick infections their causes and their remedies is something I would expect a flood of academic material on.
look down on
I don’t assume they’re less than half as depraved tyrannical and shitty as the dumpster fire I fell out of. Sometimes I’m surprised, sometimes I’m not.
common sense
Okay but is it? A few of the women in my family, extremely high genetic cancer risk, removed a breast at the drop of a hat, like first hint radical mastectomy being planned instead of any tests, no attempt to save anything. I, not being an insane reactionary defined by a childish trauma response and kind of liking my breasts¹ might take a more measured approach. I can’t help but think these kids, these literal children, are not sufficiently informed for these decisions to be made with the amount of cultural inertia behind them.
¹and having anything to lose
If your cultural identity is child abuse, go fuck yourself.
Fuck off with your pedophile procedures.
This guy HAS to be a troll.
I get that it’s hard for you to call if for what it is, but it is genital mutilation. There’s zero need for it. They can’t consent to it.
If you define your cultural identity by the need to unnecessarily mutilate the genitals of children, then your culture is shit and does not deserve respect or acceptance.
Take a step back and consider what it is you’re defending here.
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No. The bigotry would be not applying that logic across the board; doing it ICC style.
You are engaging in a brand of ‘bebevolent’ fetishization of ‘barbaric’ peoples and othering them, applying different values to them than to yourself. This is bigotry, even if it’s not hateful. Its genuinely disgusting.
I can imagine someone like you defending some of the things that my culture of origin did to me as a child this same way, and I’m white, so you wouldn’t; you’d apply values to me like I’m an actual person, but imagining someone who did? I’d fucking kill them
Its a cultural institution to rape children in TERF islander private schools.
Tell me why this is different, admit you’re a disingenuous lying fuck defending sick shit for made up dogmatic reasons you have no understanding of, or admit you’re a pedophile.
Genital mutilation is also avoidable.
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Please point to the derogatory word in the sentence
The comment you’re replying to has got to be a bot. Like, wtf? What kind of sick individual calls it derogatory to say, “Hey, let’s not mutilate childrens’ genitals.”
Tell me youre a fucked up psychopath with telling me.
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What the actual fuck does being a white supremacist have to do with male genitals mutilation?
Let’s put it this way. If your cultural, religious, or ideological leanings require you to cut off foreskins or clitoral hoods off unconsenting children, youre a sick fuck.
If you dont have those cultural, religious, or ideological leanings, and you just enjoy watching children get mutilated, youre a sick fuck.
White supremacists and child circumcision enthusiasts such as yourself are all sick fucks.
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It is not derogatory. The word means:
“… or disfigure, especially by cutting off tissue or body parts.”
from Latin mutilātus (past participle of mutilāre “to cut off, maim”)
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It’s not bigotry to be opposed to genital mutilation.
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There is zero biological reason to remove foreskin. It’s objectively mutilation.
I’m circumsized. I did not give anyone permission to remove a part of my penis that was perfectly healthy when I was an infant and could not consent. I want you to quantify to me how I was not done wrong, and how my bodily autonomy was not violated. I understand that isn’t the case in the article, but it’s the perfect example for you to argue.
Also, just because a culture or religion does something doesn’t mean I have to support it, and it definitely doesn’t make me a bigot to oppose it. Iran will stone women to death under Sharia Law. Am I a bigot for saying stoning women is bad?
Infant genital mutilation is disgusting and I think it’s about time it’s made illegal around the world. I’m sorry about your penis.
As someone who is perfectly comfortable with his circumcized penis: it’s absolutely mutilation.
Agreed. My parents had me snipped. When I asked why it was basically “well everyone was doing it.”
My son is intact and can make his own decision about it when he’s older.
Plural mutilations
Synonyms of mutilation
1
: an act or instance of destroying, removing, or severely damaging a limb or other body part of a person or animal
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mutilation
Circumcision is literally a textbook example of the word multilation
So, not mutilating kids’ genitals is…bigotry???
Fuck no. Like, seriously, your position is factually incorrect. And, frankly, the tone of superiority makes you sound, well, like a fucking bigot.
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Is not doing things to children’s (or anyone’s) bodies without their consent (which they may not be capable of, depending on what for) is a cost? Like, if you were designing a society, would the ‘stuff done to the bodies of children (or fucking anyone) without their consent’ number be one you’re proud of making smaller?
How does this apply to kids getting ears pierced?
Did the kid want their ear pierced, with decent understanding of the cultural weight that’s pushing them?
Or is it only allowed because it’s the thing that their parents did? Could the kid as easily get a genital piercing? Full back tattoo of Richard Nixon’s face? Cool face scar?
One could argue that alfeeling that ear mutilations is ok is a cultural thing. Many very young children have their ears pieced, and probably more than half of girls get their ears pierced before they are at the age of consent.
What does the term “mutilation” actually mean in your mind?
“Stop cutting off the foreskin of literal children and barely-not-children.”
“BIGOT!”
-some idiot
Don’t touch their junk and there’s no article.
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All unnessecary child genital mutilation is fucked up, even when done in the USA or any other country, whether for religious or parental choice reasons. The only appropriate circumcision is for direct medical intervention or by the informed consent of the gentals’ owner.
Please ceremonies are usually performed on older adolescent or young adult males. It marks the change from child to adulthood.
Not that I’m in favor of it in any case, but it’s not being done on infants, like in North America.
Intersex infants having surgeries forced upon them is morally wrong.
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Here we go with the intentional misunderstanding. Stop mutilating the private parts of infants.
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Let me guess if someone critiques states persecuting women for having lifesaving abortions “that’s bigotry too”
Those are some mighty self-righteous words for somebody who advocates chopping off clitorises.
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Unnecessary procedures to mutilate the body are morally and ethically wrong regardless of the age of the patient.
For fucks sake. How on earth can you be in defense of this abuse? Please, explain why you support this.
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Like getting ears pierced?
Ears are predominantly pierced when age of consent is reached and no place will do it without that consent.
Parents doing this to their children without consent- are abusing their children.
So in a way, yeah- like ears being pierced.
Additionally, pieced ears heal back if left alone. Circumcision is permanent mutilation.
Man I love blowing up false equivalency fallacies! Thanks for this!
Not from what I’ve seen in n America - most girls under 16 already have their ears pierced. And such ear mutilation of girls without their ability to consent seems to be culturally fine.
Of course the two situations aren’t identical, that’s how analogies work and it’s still a useful part of critical thinking.
The point is that it’s not quite as black and white as many people think. If these boys at 16 want their diicks cut and it’s part of their culture and done properly, I’m not going to say it’s bad. Obviously in the case of this article, it was not done right. Circumcision just after birth is a separate issue; but I’m not particularly against it having had it done to me and not feeling that I am lacking anything as a result.
I am curious now, what is usually done in this case?
The doctor forces down vuvloplasty and calls the baby a girl because people are afraid of unique plumbing.
Archangel1313… are you okay? Is everything good? I don’t see how not wanting people to mutilate other people’s genitals is bigotry. Or is this a disingenuous “parents’ rights” argument?
So now imagine if that “ritual” never took place-
if in said imagination, you can see that those boys would still be alive, then I’d say you’re half way there.
You’ll be all the way there when you are able to come to this conclusion all on your own.
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Imagine taking a pro-circumcision stance in the comments of an article where 41 boys died as a result of the procedure- all while fully KNOWING that in this day and age, it is a brutal and absolutely unnecessary thing to do begin with.
Those boys would still be alive if assholes stoped butchering children’s genitalia.
END OF DEBATE.
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Now imagine if those procedures were outlawed for being barbaric and unnecessary.
It would still happen, and be more dangerous. Cultural inertia would keep it happening and the requirement to keep it secret would drive it underground. Education is the way.
True, they should have just had a rabbi use their mouth to do it while they were still an infant. Good point.
There are valid reasons for parents to choose circumcision. I’m not sure religion is a part of that, and I’m not sure that it isn’t. For example, if this were female circumcision based strictly on religion or culture, I’d feel very strongly against it, since it’s to curb pleasure and often leads to infection, from bodily fluids not being able to exit. However, malformed genetalia can also cause complications.
I’m glad I never had to choose gender assignment or not because children in middle school can be cruel, so can misassignment, and as we see, adults can be cruel too.
I posit perhaps such complicated decisions not be based entirely on religion or cultural identity of the parents alone, since what the child chooses as an adult may be very different than what the parent prefers.
There are valid reasons for parents to choose circumcision.
I don’t believe this is true.
Kidney issues, prone to UTI, etc.
Dick cheese
Avoidable with the most basic hygiene.
Have you met teenage boys?
Which as everybody knows has been available and abundant in every and all parts of the world for all of history.
Happens to girls, too.
Got data to back that up? Like, actual empirical data.
Cut off a body part because sometimes it’s a problem later which usually can be treated in a less-destructive manner? No, that’s not a rational response.
A rare, treatable condition? Yeah, I don’t think so.
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it seems a lot of commenters are missing that these are not babies. Those in the story are aged 16+ and it is a cultural rite of passage.
They’re still children who are physically growing, especially cognitively. Likewise, they were sent there by their parents, so let’s not pretend this was adults making a decision on their own, this was forced onto children.
So at 16 they shouldn’t be able to choose what they do with their own dicks? How would this apply if they were trans and wanted bottom surgery? How does it apply to getting one’s ears pierced?
Trans people go through long processes and professional oversight to arrive at medical intervention in professional settings. Bottom surgery is not taken lightly in the same way that later in life circumcision should be and should be consented to. Ear piercings are largely inconsequential although I strongly disagree with piercing unwilling children.
A shitty pedo culture*
Some of the arrest were parents who lied to have it done before their children were 16+ so they were in fact 15.
Not to trust Google entirely but it says that anyone younger than 18 is considered a child in South Africa.
If that is the case then anyone below 18 cannot consent to sex, if they can’t consent to sex then they can’t consent to surgery or medical procedures. Their parents should not be making the choice for them, it is bodily autonomy for them to choose for themselves when they are a legal adult and not before.
Without nauseating anyone, the tribal methodology really is quite painful and barbaric. A lot of skin is taken.
Well, you know what they say, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. And if it kills you, well, tough.
Yo, Evil Boy, why is your incanca so big? All the better to love you with!
I only offered a little context. Please dont assume my position on the practice.
I think you misplaced your reply
Backwards country gonna backwards.
Do you think they did the operations for cheap or were they a rip-off?
