Since yesterday, Jordanlund is continuing to remove reporting like that from the reputed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_Site_News (article depicted in the screenshot is https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-spy-yoni-koren-stayed-jeffrey-epstein-apartment-ehud-barak) just for being hosted with substack. He is now moderating World News and Politics at lemmy.world.
Yes, legitimate news sites use Blogging platforms, they also use Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube and we don’t allow those links either.
goodness, that is not the point. That means these outlets post to their own website while also reposting the thing on twitter. In so many cases, their own website uses substack/wordpress! For example, https://time.com/ is the official website of Time magazine, as in the publisher of Time Person of the Year. It uses WordPress, as you can see by going to https://time.com/wp-admin/.
If he wants to target blogspam, he should be targeting things like The Daily Beast and https://www.utubepublisher.in/, which use none of the technologies he’s targeting. This ban on CMS technology is arbitrary and does not prevent poor publishing that simply registers a domain, as anyone may register a domain.
Hardly PTB, though. If that’s their rule and they’re merely enforcing it. More a discussion whether their rules make any sense. But I’m not defending WorldNews and the mods. Just saying either have rules AND enforce them. Or don’t make rules in the first place. Anything else is ridiculous.
The powertrip here is less the application of the rule and more the total unwillingness to adapt the rule. It’s being used as a tool against legitimate news from legitimate sources. It could be confirmation bias, but I do not recall seeing widespread enforcement of this particular rule by moderators other than Jordan. If that is erroneous, then it’s my mistake, but based on that I believe the inclusion of Substack in that list to be Jordan’s pet contribution.
If the other mods feel the same way, perhaps they’ll make that known.
I get that. Unfortunately the Threadiverse is designed with almost no option to handle mods who don’t listen. Except one: to vote with our feet. In other words, leave said community. I already did that (a long time ago.)
I mean the entire design of Lemmy was just Reddit + “implement vote with feet feature”. It seems effective and I don’t really see what’s wrong with it. Listening to the community is supposed to be the admins’ job.
And this particular mod has caused more than one mass exodus IIRC. Dot world admin DGAF.
I mean they didn’t care when a top level mod (who also wanted to promote flat earth on .world) said that being pro-palestine was antisemitic.
Ohhhh the flat earth stuff was crazy times. lololol
I’m amazed he’s still in power after that but seeing as Jordanlund is in power, it’s impressive.
I thought the issue with Substack was that they wouldn’t remove nazi content?
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By that standard, most corporate media shouldn’t be allowed.
i think most corporate media meet the standard of not hosting nazis
Christ, he’s still a moderator over there? What a joke of an administration. Guess they expected us to forget how much of a dishonest piece of shit Jordan is, or that he’d somehow change his ways despite how obvious it is that he has no intention of doing so.
He has been given full acceptance and approval from the admins of world so he’s also never going to improve.
At this point I’m inclined to believe Jordan just is the admin, the admin is an alt account of Jordan.
Worst than that, they realize he’s the only one who will do exactly what they ask for and tons of free mod work
he was removed from the modlists for 3 months now, and things have been just fine afaik, until two days ago when he suddenly started modding again
He was removed from some comms but didn’t think worldnews was one of them.
And has been modding at least the last month
https://lemmy.world/modlog/2840?page=1&actionType=All&modId=1499846
It’s the only reason, no one else would deal with this. I hope if I caused such a constant shitstorm my admins would remove me.
Oh! Good point.
I don’t think it’s fair to single out Jordan. It’s the entire admin and much of the mods. .world could rework their rules at any time but they don’t. There’s a reason for it.
Lemmy.world sucks. Lemmy has been more enjoyable since I blocked it.
This is the way.
Substack is not a CMS, it’s a platform like Blogger or Medium. I pretty easily found other articles on the same story from places that don’t host Nazis.
Fair point. I’d use the same arguments about web building platforms, though. Al Jazeera uses WordPress.com, the web building platform not the software. Jordanlund has removed sites for being hosted by WordPress before IIRC.
(IMO Substack might unfortunately be the lesser evil: Medium doesn’t compensate writers nearly as much, Blogger is owned by Google, and WordPress.com is pricier and waging an ego contest under Matt Mullenweg.)
Jordanlund has removed sites for being hosted by WordPress before IIRC.
Do you have any examples of this?
Yeah I don’t agree with that policy either, it makes little sense to me. Many “establishment” media publications are just as full of one-sided horseshit as a lot of the alt media platforms. But anyway, whatever I think, it is nonetheless a longstanding policy of that community afaik and so long as Jordan is in charge it’s unlikely to ever change.
Some of the substack “blogs” he’s removed who did everything to mitigate all his prejudaces against blogs were even journalists who refused to concede their voice to capital and are freelancing and self publishing now. Like he’s basically one step away from saying that ProPublica is “just a blog” and refusing any of their reporting on news stories (often stories that they are the only publication talking about). It creates a MASSIVE blind spot in !worldnews@lemmy.world 's feed about what is and isn’t worthwhile knowledge about current events to have. It ultimately only feeds the right wing outrage machine even if it’s only sticking to the centrist position of the outrage machine
Yes I agree with you!
Of course. He’s jordanlund.
He’s an egotistical asshole when questioned, especially about substack hosted content.
In his eyes if he can find substack when searching the page it’s enough to call it a blog.
And according to the the admins of lemmy world this is perfectly acceptable if not encouraged behavior
This is a technical YDI with a heaping side of CLM(s). The comm rules spell out that Substack is verboten, even though the rule itself is misguided. Expect any such posts to be removed, most likely by the mod in question, until such point that either the rule or the modlist changes.
The continued presence of such a technicality in the rules degrades the credibility of the comm as a whole.
I agree
I agree.
The policies of some news coms are part of the reason I just started my own. I’m a strong believer in media pluralism, which includes seeing the value in a wide variety of news sources. How something looks or where it’s published has little to do with the quality of the journalism.
Lawfare is on substack. Unicorn riot looks trashy as hell, but they’re used as a first source by fact checkers and do high quality investigations. The Klaxon looks like a blog site run by one guy, but that guy is a professional journalist who performs well-sourced in-depth investigations.
However, those are the rules of the community and they’ve given no inclination about changing them. Better to find or create a better com.
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i’ve never seen a meta thread in that commag. i suspect that Jordanl enforces the “post news articles only” rule quite well. here’s where it’s been discussed:
https://programming.dev/comment/15884017
https://lemmy.world/comment/14172977
Jordanl simply repeats the same argument about X and disengages when people ask him to respond to the well-known refutation
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