Ok Elon is a dick but I’ve also yet to see a single age verification plan that isn’t just ‘give every social media company a picture of your ID so they can put it in a poorly secured database that gets hacked 3 times a week’
Elon’s not arguing against surveillance capitalism though, he just wants to keep the Hitler Youth App running
Agreed they don’t seem to get used, but they exist. My state has a digital ID now that can verify age (bracket), and a picture with date. That’s not bad - less than ideal for a website that doesn’t need my picture, but perfect for a bar (clearly the intent).
It could so easily be done if that was the actual intent.
Man with child pornography machine is angry because people don’t want children to be on his platform
Guy who owns hate machine that lets you virtually undress children upset that guardrails are being erected to protect children.
Elon didn’t buy an entire social media platform and turn it into a pedo playground just to watch all the children leave.
he also said, “What day/night will be the wildest party on your island?”
I still have to laugh every time i see that photo. I remember when i saw it for the first time and thought it’s not okay to make fun of that disabled dude.
Raw sexual energy.
It’s funny. Suddenly another photo comes to my mind… But in black and white.
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He’s just angry he can’t prey on them with the social media service he bought that creates pictures of naked children.
Wait, so this guy said something?
The Great riddle: Is it “takes one to know one” or “deflection by projection”? (I lean towards the latter)
tyrant calls an idiot a tyrant.
Elon Musk is a cunt who needs to fuck off back to Pretoria.
Can we stop needlessly sharing Elmo’s deranged utterances? The topic of social media policy (much as anything else) is too important than to concern ourselves with his weird tweets.
I would like for everyone to consider that 16 year olds arent children.
14 year old arent children
12 year olds are borderline children
But being a children is a personal trait and is subjective per person their personality and responsibility, not per age.
You can be a child even you are 30, and be a woman/man when you are 12.
And no, just because people forgot what words meand and how humans function and me reminding them of such does not make me q weirdo creep whatever.
10 year olds 100 or more years ago were pretty much as resonsible as 20 year olds today
12 year olds aren’t children you say? You’re exactly the sort of person Elon would like to hang out with.
You are conflating maturity with chronological age. We use chronological age and not maturity as the social metric of “adulthood” so your relativistic claim is just nonsense.
Exactly my point
This comment does have a bit of an “ephebophile” vibe to it.
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Most people don’t label 17 year olds as “children”. The process is something more like baby>toddler>child>pre-teen>teen/adolescence>young adulthood>adulthood.
Since everyone matures at different levels at different times, and maturity itself is subjective, most societies air on the side of caution by legally defining people as minors (not children). They are called this because they are still in a state of cognitive development. The ones who are above average are the exception to the rule.
It makes sense why we do this, because minors are supposed to be ushered into adulthood with gradual increases in freedom, such as being able to drive with a permit or go to school dances by themselves before they are considered a tax-paying citizen.
Cognitive development?
Look around you and tell me just how much chronological age has to do with cognitive development, please.
It comes down to experience, patience, etc.
Sometimes I take children or “children” to be smarter than adults that are hurrying and complicating at everything
Shitting out of his mouth you mean?!
Broken clock is right, but for the wrong reasons (i.e. like a broken clock).
age-gating social media = obligatory ID verification for social media access
Do you trust your government to handle your ID data safely and in a way that law enforcement etc. can’t access without proper cause? This is definitely going to get used to do police raids and years-long device seizures on people who call dick politicians dicks - the process is the punishment.
If you actually want to protect children, force operating system manufacturers or home internet hardware manufacturers to implement child filters that work reliably.
I trust Microsoft even less with ID and tracking information.
Child filters isn’t nearly enough. It’s the addictive nature of the apps, created by algorithms that are cooked up by psychiatrists, behavioral scientists, and experimentally and iteratively “improved” by AI - algorithms that could potentially be used for other things than just making an app “sticky”
You’re right about the privacy concerns, but the conclusion should be to have rules so strict that it is practically banning X, Meta, TikTok, et.c.
Do you trust your government to handle your ID data safely and in a way that law enforcement etc. can’t access without proper cause? This is definitely going to get used to do police raids and years-long device seizures on people who call dick politicians dicks - the process is the punishment.
The government **already **handle your ID data.
It has your document id number, SSN equivalent (in Italy Codice Fiscale), the number of your driver license, the number of your passport, know where you live, know where you work and know any other information about you that allow it to identify you, they issued most of them, they know them.If you actually want to protect children, force operating system manufacturers or home internet hardware manufacturers to implement child filters that work reliably.
It was proven times and again that filters are useless.
Man, they where useless back at the time where the filter at the newsstand was a person that could check you id before selling you pornographic journals and they are useless today where you need to be 18 to buy alcohol.
The only real solution is to educate the children, which require educated parents.they are useless today where you need to be 18 to buy alcohol.
[citation needed]
It’s certainly possible to circumvent it, but where I live most people don’t become regular drinkers at 15. It makes it harder to access, and many people actually do want to follow the law. IMO a social media ban is going to work the same way - many will circumvent it, but many others won’t bother.
Spaniard here. It was long ago, but never ever had issues on supermarkets. On clubs it was a hit or miss, but just knowing someone who knew someone who knew the bouncer and was good to go. If they still refused, just go to the next one.
There was no night ever were I wanted to get wasted and I couldn’t.
The problem with social media id is not those who circumvent it, is that the rest need to link our ID with our profiles, even if we are old.
I grew up in Germany, where I live supermarkets (and most other places) generally don’t let underage people drink. Supermarket cashiers only fully stopped carding me when I grew a full beard in my late twenties. Might be different in some rural places or different corners of the country, though.
IMO “just need to know someone” can be a pretty big barrier if you don’t know many people (and specifically people who would let underage people drink) or just aren’t that popular.
Sure different counties had different situations. I’m the UK I had to show my id while being 24 very commonly, the year before I lived on NL and was never asked. A year after UK, it was asked without fail in the US even for a beer during lunch.
My favorite was in Ireland, while being 16, couldn’t get anybody to get me drinks from a store. I just thought “fuck it” and went to a Spar to buy vodka, handing my id immediately to the cashier. He looked at it and turned out multiple times. It was in Spanish and he wasn’t familiar with it. Either he didn’t care, or war ashamed to ask, but just handed back and let me buy.
they are useless today where you need to be 18 to buy alcohol.[citation needed]
Never seen the group of underage boys waiting outside the shop for the 18 old friend to buy beer (or any other liqueur) for everyone ?
It’s certainly possible to circumvent it, but where I live most people don’t become regular drinkers at 15. It makes it harder to access, and many people actually do want to follow the law. IMO a social media ban is going to work the same way - many will circumvent it, but many others won’t bother.
Neither where I live boys became drinkers at 15 (oh well, some do) but the point is that if a “filter” or ban where you need to be present and there is a person to check is easily circumvented, the classic example of the older friend who buy beers for everyone, I have no faith that a ban based on something virtual has any chance of success. True, it would be harder than the old “are you old enough to access the site” version, but you understimate 15 year old boys (and girls obviously). There are ways to make the ban work but I have the feeling that these solutions would be considered intrusive and against privacy.
For example, the social network can ask for the SSN (or equivalent) and check against the entity responsible to assign the number to check if is valid and of legal age and then keep the number to avoid to be used by someone else (like they keep the email).
But a solution like this is too easy to abuse: the social network has a SSN that they know it is true and valid and the state know a certain person has an account on a certain social network, now imagine the state that ask also the nickname you used on the social network to validate your SSN…I never said that it’s impossible to circumvent. It’s just harder than if there were no restriction at all, and that does make a difference. And buying alcohol for your 1-year-younger friend is one thing, but buying alcohol for a 15yo is quite another. When I was that age, few people regularly hung out with people that much younger.
I agree that this type of social media ban shouldn’t be made at all, though. What I do want is filters that can be activated by parents that are relatively difficult to circumvent, but don’t require anyone to submit their ID data. You can still fine the parents if it becomes known, though obviously that’s less likely than if every single user had to submit their ID.
I never said that it’s impossible to circumvent. It’s just harder than if there were no restriction at all, and that does make a difference. And buying alcohol for your 1-year-younger friend is one thing, but buying alcohol for a 15yo is quite another. When I was that age, few people regularly hung out with people that much younger.
Back at the time yes, it was uncommon to have a friends group with more than 1 or 2 years difference between the younger and the older, but today it don’t seems to be so.
I agree that this type of social media ban shouldn’t be made at all, though. What I do want is filters that can be activated by parents that are relatively difficult to circumvent, but don’t require anyone to submit their ID data. You can still fine the parents if it becomes known, though obviously that’s less likely than if every single user had to submit their ID.
As I said, filters are alread really hard to make to work, having them also difficult to elude make them even harder. Not considering the fact that you need to create some sort of infrastructure to keep them updated, which make them even harder to implement.
As I said, filters are alread really hard to make to work, having them also difficult to elude make them even harder. Not considering the fact that you need to create some sort of infrastructure to keep them updated, which make them even harder to implement.
Which is why they’re currently not very good, yes. Mandating them by law would probably speed up development, and either way, you’re trying to thwart most kids/teenagers, not professional hackers. It doesn’t really matter if a couple of kids can circumvent it if the methods are too difficult for the type of kids who barely even know how to use a PC, which seems to be most of them nowadays. Plus, many kids aren’t actually willing to break the law just to access TikTok.
Which is why they’re currently not very good, yes.
They are not very good because the only way to make them work is to adopt a “white list” approach: you don’t list what you ban but only what you allow. But that way make basically every phone/tablet basically useless outside very specific situations. If you simply ban a site, the same site will come up with another name, and another, and another… (and it work also for IPs)
Mandating them by law would probably speed up development,
Not really sure about that.
and either way, you’re trying to thwart most kids/teenagers, not professional hackers.
And here, while you are right about the idea, you are wrong about how it will end.
It doesn’t really matter if a couple of kids can circumvent it if the methods are too difficult for the type of kids who barely even know how to use a PC, which seems to be most of them nowadays. Plus, many kids aren’t actually willing to break the law just to access TikTok.
Point is that after a couple of kids circumvent it does not matter if the methods are difficult or not, they will be passed to other kids, I’ve seen this too many times to be so naive to not understand that with law mandated filters it would not happen.
Granted, maybe some kids will not try it, but these kids are the one who would not open a social network profile if their parent say them to not do it.
Your government likely already has your ID data that law enforcement can see. I much rather trust the government (or banking systems like in Finland) to handle the age verification than some private enterprises that can be hacked and the information stolen, like already happened with Discord.
He’s right, we should outright ban X entirely in EU. Besides some right wing extremists, no one will care.
