I hate chatbots because they are an affront to personhood, language, and the very concept of meaning. You hate chatbots because some of the manufacturers donate to a political party in a failing empire.
We are allies
I hate chatbots because they don’t work. If any of this technology actually operated as advertised I would be ecstatic. But none of it does.
Not only has AI failed to give us a warp drive, it’s also failed to do my very simple job for me.
They’re quite good at generating text that sounds reasonably like speech to people. Problem is, that’s not actually useful.
They’d make excelent politicians.
People paid for ChatGPT?
Last I saw they have something like 900,000,000 active users with around 50,000,000 on a paid plan of some form.
I need one clarification : If I start using chatGPT like crazy, without a subscription, does this help (by making user numbers look good) or hinder (by burning computing resources for no revenue) the company ?
I’d say both, but it probably hinders the people having to live next to the data centers more than the company with effectively infinite money
I have barely used any of the AI products that have been around for the last few years. But what little I have used them for they’ve been fairly adequate for my desires I can’t imagine paying for that though.
Like I use co-pilot (because management insist we use it for something), to rewrite emails into corporate speak. And I guess it’s nice not to have to do that anymore but it’s not something I’d pay for.
I just don’t understand these AI bros I really don’t.
I’m a programmer, AI is really good at programming and I use it everyday at work. But you really need to be careful and read and understand EVERY LINE the AI gave you and judge if it’s correct architecturally, maintainable, fits the direction of the product etc etc etc.
I let it write tests and mundane mapping functions mostly, but it’s still pretty useful as an “assistant”.
The tech bros all come from this programming world and I think they got a bit too enthousiastic about the technology. An LLM is not a human brain.
People pay for GPT?!
I used it for assisting with grammar and spelling as well as helping me figure out Obsidian.
Gonna cancel. Fuck Altman and fuck PEDOnald and fuck everyone involved. Moving over to Claude.
(Sorry I can’t afford to pay actual editors. I make pennies.)
What did you switch to?
I just cancelled 👍🏽
sam altman is con artist. his whole career is a scam:
They’re just gonna suckle harder at that MIC teat.
Technology under capitalism is researched and developed for the sake of violent control.
Yep, they’ve already shown who will bend the knee and slob the orange-tinged knob.
Wait, you guys actually pay for stuff?
My only regret is I never had a chatgpt subscription in the first place to cancel.
That’s a win, not a regret 👍
Me too. Sorry guys. The only thing I could cancel is my Ollama free tier account but i don’t think that’s going to make much of an impact.
I will start using it more to waste bandwidth with Yuri Fanfics of Sam and Trump
Yeah, I appreciate the duck duck go ai chatbots, since they are free and don’t have the limit that using chatgpt directly for free had. Plus you can select other models (haven’t even been using chatgpt).
I didn’t either but would still use the free one from time to time.
Easy enough to switch to Gemini or Claude or whatever.
If we weren’t already boiling the oceans, I’d say that you should continue to use the free tier. A lot. Drive up their costs as much as possible without giving them any revenue by constantly asking it to generate useless crap.
No, that’s a bad idea. They literally make up their economics. They don’t care abo about money, because they’ll just keep borrowing more and more of it. Just look at their behaviour over the last three years.
What they really want is usage go up and in turn their power they have over their userbase. You using their product to generate useless crap at best just waists power and water. At worst the AI will give a a psychological complex.
It won’t hurt their bottom line, trust me. You can only loose.
I’m in postgrad study at the moment and the amount of university students that rely on ChatGPT for 80%+ of their assignment/project work has really shaken my trust in the current gen coming out of higher education.
This is after the unit lecturers have each belaboured the point that GenAI must be 'used responsibly and with care to triple-check any output is valid and understood - and that any confirmed plagiarism or hallucinated references are an ‘instant zero’ on assignments.
They don’t care. It’s easier than reading textbooks and thinking.
(All this to say - I don’t think #QuitChatGPT will have much effect on those using it regularly, regardless of their morals)
I swear I don’t understand college students who work so hard not to learn.
It’s like they want to get as little education for their money as possible.
The purpose of college today isn’t to learn, it’s to get a degree.
Also undergraduate content can often be found on the internet and self-studied for much cheaper than a degree, but it won’t give you the resume credential and network for getting a job
College is also the time to network because as young adults realize, its not what you know but who you know.
Because they’re not going to college to learn, they’re going to get a degree. The prevailing mentality is “I’m paying for this so that I can go through the motions and graduate so that I’ll meet the minimum qualifications for an entry level position.”
It’s a result of the commodification of education: treating universities like a business rather than as centers of learning. Everything’s transactory.
Professors are afraid to fail students because the administration wants the best retention ratings, and cause bad reviews might mean they lose their jobs.
Oh, and because expecting college students to actually learn something is elitist, apparently…
Don’t get caught forming coherent thoughts in complete sentences with proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Someone might accuse you of being petite bourgeois and get your professor fired for playing favorites…
This doesn’t match with my experience at a state school at all, lol. I get whether I put a period before or after my citation picked apart. Is this how students at private schools get treated?
I don’t know, I went to a community college. I don’t know what grades other people got on their essays, but sometimes we did peer revisions and I saw the quality of other people’s writing. They called me racist and elitist if I made too many grammar corrections, so I can only imagine what they said about the professor when they get a bad grade because I stopped correcting their grammar during proofreading.
There’s also this thing that sometimes happens where the professor adjusts for privilege in grading. The effect is that I would get a B+ or an A- for having a couple typos, but someone who can barely spell or formulate a complete sentence might get the same grade as me or even better.
And if I get an A in the class or on a test I have to keep it a secret or all my classmates will hate me and claim it was because of white supremacy or some shit.
I’m going to a community college in California right now and that doesn’t match my experience at all. These were announced grading policies?
More like undercurrents in the student body that professors had to be aware to avoid being slandered on exit surveys and ratemyprofessor
Weird, do you feel like sharing generally where this is? I’ve corrected grammar in my English writing classes plenty of times as part of peer review, even (gently) corrected another student on how they were using a racially insensitive term, despite the fact I’m white and they weren’t without it being an issue (they were an international student and we had been reading some stuff from the 1800s that used outdated terms).
For other classes I’ve had a mix of whether or not the professors care about grammar, but those that do have always been upfront about how to get in contact with free tutors on campus to check your work.
RMP is a crapshoot anyway on how useful it is; one terrible prof at my school is constantly leaving really obvious 5 star reviews for himself to override the hordes of people going DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS CLASS!!, while a fantastic professor I have has close to the same middling rating because she does a class that qualifies for fulfilling a gen ed requirement, and people who are uninterested in it just don’t like the class.
Unless you’re in college for STEM, every degree is just a piece of paper with very little educational value behind it. You start learning after the degree, once you get the job that you need the degree to get.
Even then
Even STEM bachelor’s degrees can be a little iffy. I finished my undergrad and felt like what I truly learned was how little I knew.
Also a lot of professors suck at teaching and will teach highly outdated material or terrible practices, and half the degree at my university was gen-ed unrelated to the degree subject that should have been taught in high school.
I couldn’t agree more. I initially went to a small community college. I took o chem twice because my first professor was so awful that the entire class would have bombed if he didn’t curve the entire course so hard that we all got Bs or above.
When I retook it at a state university, I learned our confusion was due to him having no goddamn idea what he was talking about. His lectures didn’t match the textbook, which is why we were getting marked off for what often turned out to be actually correct answers on the tests he made.
The thing about a college education is that you absorb a lot of information that you don’t really think about.
I’m no smarter than I was in high school, but I know a fuckton more. I just can’t itemize what it is I’ve learned.
It’s gonna be like when cell phones got popular and suddenly no one could remember anyone’s phone number anymore, but this time it will be that they can’t remember anything
I think my brother’s has like, a 6 in it? Maybe an ampersand…?
“Was there a ‘niner’ in there? Were you calling from a walkie-talkie?”
“I’m sure it ended with ‘Bravo Indiana’”
Uh-oh
When I was in college, I did some TA work helping to run labs. This particular lab was a general chemistry lab for the health care track, nurses, doctors, etc. This girl walks up to me, deadpan, and asks “What does ‘M-L’ mean?” She was asking what milliliter meant. I shit you not, that has scared me about ever going to a hospital for anything more serious than a cold.
Lol yes that is worrying. She could have just been having a brainfart though… Everyone has those sometimes.
I’ve been to hospital quite a bit (visiting and assisting people mostly) and the standards have been very high for nurses, doctors, technicians etc. I hope that can comfort you somewhat.
This is disheartening to hear. Why would you pay $60k-$100k in tuition alone only to waste the paid opportunity?
It’s like buying a new Toyota Tacoma, slashing the tires, draining the radiator, and then taking it out for a spin and expecting a quality drive.
Perhaps this isn’t obvious to you but higher education, while valuable, has long just been a rubber stamp.
Many grads don’t work on their feild of study and many people are just trying to get the paper so they can get a job.
It’s been like this for 30 years.
I use my degrees at work. In fact, had I not paid attention I would have long since been fired, sued, or placed in prison. Possibly all three. Though, low odds on graduating at all.
Rubber stamp or not, the information remains disheartening.
Sure is disheartening and I don’t much understand it beyond ‘path of least resistance’. I’m not in the US though, I’m in Australia and our university fees are far lower for citizens.
I’ll add that it’s not universal, and I haven’t met nor worked with all the students in my course as there’s hundreds. But so far in my experience it’s the international students (China, Malaysia, Singapore, India, Pakistan, Philippines) that have GenAI most ingrained in their workflows - its just presumed by them that everyone is using ChatGPT for their work in assignments. Conversely, I have worked with a German international student who wants very little to do with GenAI (like myself).
Worth mentioning that the international students pay ‘full fees’ for the courses, no government assistance like citizens - that means they pay 5-6 times as much for their courses, so I would have thought they’d have additional motivation to get value from their time studying, but that doesn’t seem to be the reality of the situation.
The only proper use i found for AI is making small interactive quiz of something i’m trying to memorise. I’ve seen college/uni classes and chatgpt is everywhere. I had quite a few moment of reckoning witht that fact that this is the norm.
I was using Notability and it let me have a preview of that, and I tried it on a ~40+ page reading I had for class. I feel like it worked well at picking out trivia (‘what is the definition of x’, ‘who did this thing’, etc), but it felt pretty shallow. If you’re preparing for a multiple choice quiz or refamiliarizing yourself with something then I’d say it’s probably okay, but if you’re studying for the essay portion of a test it’s not enough.
Absolutely, and the essay portion of any uni course is not even feasable for the average llm user, if they abuse that. And if I had to do this side study with every thing i do i’d go mental.
AI is helpful for free response too in my experience and I get better grades than most of my class by using it to study (specifically I have OpenCode set up with all of the course material downloaded and accessible). It’s not really logically coherent and makes mistakes a lot, so you have to think about the information it’s giving you which ironically improves its study utility.
Unfortunately I can’t help with the acceleration. Can’t cancel a subscription that never started
Break into someones house and cancel theirs.
Why not break into the CEO’s house and unsubscribe them from their life?
Because that’s murder, and contrary to a health insurance company denying claims, Sam Altman just sucks, but hasn’t killed anyone (yet) (that we know of).
Several teens have been groomed into killing themselves by ChatGPT.
He’s culpable.
Is the developer also culpable? How about the data scientist? How about the data engineer? How about the BI Analyst? And the janitor?
How about the manufacturer of the knife / pill / gas they used to kill themselves?
As a developer: yes to the developer and data scientist and data engineer. Scientists and engineers should be responsible for their work.
The BI analyst: maybe, if they’re responsible for collecting data that ignores the impact of the service on teens. If they’re doing sales-comparisons between Anthropic and OpenAI… eh, I donno.
The janitor: probably not since I don’t feel like the deaths are widely publicized and they probably work for a contracting company that handles the building.
That’s a lot of people that are going to die for doing data mining…
In most cases suicide isn’t anyone’s fault. People like to find someone to blame, and I get that, but people who are even remotely close to doing that, were always going to find a way and a justification.
No AI is going to convince me to kill myself if I didn’t already want to. Equally the inverse must also be true.
That’s not to say that the companies are completely off the hook, it’s utterly ridiculous that these conversations weren’t flagged and sent to a human, but I think it’s daft to suggest that these people would necessarily still be alive had the AI not existed.
I completely agree. Not off the hook. There should be better guardrails (like recipes for bombs and other dangerous things) but from there to accuse the CEO of murder there’s quite a stretch.
If you manufacture a knife that convinces children to kill themselves, yeah, you’re culpable. Everyone else can be charged according to their level of culpability, but any time a company is found liable for killing someone the CEO should be sentenced for their murder. Maybe that would incentivize CEOs to stop getting people killed.
What about a knife that does the sliicng of the body, the killing itself?
I mean creating a product that exacerbates psychosis to the point that people kill themselves I would say meets that standard.
So every movie director, game designer, Popstar, etc also deserves to die?
If you are unable to understand why those things are different, then you probably shouldn’t comment at all.
Free speech! As long as you agree with me…
Very trumpian
Sam Altman is an enemy of humanity and it would self defense to kill him.
I’m not gonna do it because that’s a hassle, but if someone did I wouldn’t condemn them.
So we just advocate for the murder of anyone we disagree with? The CEO, my boss, the neighbor with the loud dog, that guy who cuts us in traffic…
So, to you, a man hoarding wealth on an unimaginable scale and is actively engaging in the ruination of the world and humanity is just a annoying thing like a an aggressive driver or yapping dog?
And that harming this techno-Hitler for what he’s doing would be the moral equivalent of murdering a normal person for making you angry?
Hoarding wealth should be prevented by taxes, not murder.
Well, it’s still only Wednesday
Exhausting energy, fresh water, and giving an excuse to corporations to strip their job, the mean of living, from employees surely isn’t murdering.
Exactly: it isn’t murdering. Even if all assumptions above were true, it isn’t murdering.
Well…I’m not saying that’s a bad idea, per se, but…if you are going to do this, make it blatently obvious it was a break-in.
Then, put several rubber duckies in the water tank of their toilets. Big enough that they won’t fit in the hole.
See, it’s the type of thing that they won’t discover for months/years. They’ll long have forgotten about the break-in, and won’t connect the dots there.
It will just be something that confuses the fuck out of them for the rest of their lives.
Dude wtf did you just do… my subscription isn’t active any more after reading your comment…
Sorry. I can’t do that. I can’t cancel my subscription to Chatgpt. I just can’t…
…because I never subscribed in the first place.
If you have or had a ChatGPT subscription you’re part of the problem too
If you ever bought a consumer product brought forth by capitalism you are also a part of the problem.
But that doesn’t mean individuals can’t learn and try to be better themselves.
All of humanity will have to work to better ourselves if we want a future for our species.
I don’t think our species deserves a future but I’m also not actively trying to make that a reality.
What if you have a ChatGPT subscription that you use to generate content to post on twitter?
Stop using the Nazi program to post onto the Nazi website.
But it’s not that simple.
Not doing a thing is infinitely easier than doing it.
Isn’t that just spam?
It’s content creation.
Not really lol
