• T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    13 hours ago

    Because the form of autism most people are familiar with is the high support needs versions, where someone will never mentally mature past being a child, and will need lifelong care.

    ADHD doesn’t have that counterpart, so it and lower support needs autism were simply seen as personality failures and eccentricities that could be corrected, or left in place without harm.

    “If only you would concentrate harder and were more careful”-type business. A lot of people still have that association with autism and ADHD.

  • trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf
    15·
    18 hours ago

    Some of the comments in this thread prove this correct - I’m so fuckin tired of people’s “opinion” regarding ADHD, like I’m sorry you can’t understand that brains can function in different ways. Growing up I received no help and had to adapt in various ways because of this bullshit viewpoint. Like ffs they gave me a separate desk away from the other students facing the wall and dumbfucks have the nerve to say that it doesn’t exist

  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish
    7·
    19 hours ago

    My brother got an ASD diagnosis, and it’s impossible for me to get the other diagnosis. I just accepted that being where I am in my condition, means life is just not viable for me. I don’t even do well in this community.

    I’m just going to follow neurotypical advice until I’m dead. I have been able to get nothing done lately, and I don’t feel like living anymore.

    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      15·
      19 hours ago

      This is basically all of psychiatry in a nutshell.

      • Subjectively group symptoms
      • Search for any drug that treats any symptom.
      • $$$$$!!!
      • Bonus: Deny, obscure, and oppose solutions to the actual social roots of the problem.
    • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      2 days ago

      I was going to say we pumped kids with methalike drugs for ADHD. Is that reckless seeming? Fuck yeah, but it doesn’t seem like disinterest.

      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        8·
        23 hours ago

        Any other suggestion/alternatives?

        If they have anything to do with “electromagnetic proximity to the lavandar essence” or religious suggestions, please keep it to yourself :)

        • pbjelly@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          19 hours ago

          Soooo “it all kinda depends.” I believe a part of it is how ADHD manifests in the person and the coping mechanisms they’ve found that works along with whether or not there are pre-existing habits/emotional baggage that may impact its effectiveness.

          There are actually, there are a few decent brands of nonstimulant ADHD drugs, with one brand being more popular among my ADHD diagnosed friends cause it works and doesn’t give them liver problems. I’m also not a doctor/talk to a doctor about these options.

          I’m personally very bad at focusing during conversations in person and in general, even on tv/movies and rely on captions to focus. If I can, I like to jot down notes where I’m fully transcribing lectures/meetings or I doodle on the side and it helps me focus on a person talking.

          If I can’t, it’s a full body experience that uses all of my energy and willpower when I try to actively engage and remember key details in a conversation. This gets significantly harder at parties since there’s tons of crosstalk that tempt my attention from alllllll directions which does burn me out faaaast.

          I know some people say use lists, and I think it depends on the context. I just talk at my watch to add things to a grocery list on my phone and it helps keep me organized when I go. I do the same for vacation packing so that I add to a list as things spontaneously occur to me over the course of days/weeks.

          On the other hand, an ADHD friend of mine is super allergic to lists and legit will not use one and is dying to leave a store from minutes of entering/forgets what he needs to buy constantly, so sometimes there can be more to a attention deficit problem than just “are ya bad at focusing on this task?”

          In the end, whether it’s working with a therapist, or yourself, trying to have a better understanding of where your struggles are (and successes!!!) will be the best first step at identifying what coping mechanisms work for you.

          • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            3·
            16 hours ago

            My problem with lists (and anything text honestly): I lile to see identical formatting and structure.
            And if the indentation isnt just right enough it can make me a tad agitated/irritated. Worst case can be if someone talks to me while I am in that mode…

        • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          21 hours ago

          Why? They have gotten better and adults who have an actual baseline are way better equiped to make that decision. I don’t know a single ADHD kid in my era with me that liked the meth trip that was perscribed

          • djdarren@piefed.socialEnglish
            6·
            17 hours ago

            I am 45 and take 60mg of lisdexamfetamine every morning just to give me a baseline level of concentration to help me almost achieve as much as someone without ADHD. I have not “gotten better” and nor will I. The meds are not a cure, they’re essentially glasses for my concentration.

          • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            20 hours ago

            I don’t know a single ADHD kid in my era with me that liked the meth trip that was perscribed

            Your anecdata fails against the science. At best, perhaps the ones you knew were the ones for whom it was not working and you just didn’t see the ones for whom it did.

    • dandelion (she/her)
      2·
      17 hours ago

      I think she’s getting the meme from other social media sites where censorship is in place; I don’t think she’s adding the censorship herself

    • ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip
      12·
      2 days ago

      People who complain about censorship sound fucking ridiculous. Every single censored post is censored because they come from platforms with algorithms, and those algorithms demote posts with certain words, like fuck. That’s it. That’s why the censorship exists.

      If you’re on Lemmy you’ve already agreed to put up with the censorship. If it bothers you this much, block anyone who posts a something censored. Or post your own uncensored shit. Now that you know, will you please stop commenting about the censorship? Your complaints are more annoying than the actual censorship.

      • Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        14·
        2 days ago

        Your complaints are more annoying than the actual censorship.

        That’s the point. Not enough people are sufficiently annoyed by censorship so I’m going to be anoying about it.

        • ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip
          3·
          2 days ago

          I seriously doubt serial posters like Ladybutterfly would post as much as they do if they had to filter through posts for something as trivial as a single word having squiggles on it.

          The people who feel strongly about this should post their own stuff. Complaining about it on Lemmy is just lazy. Do you really think annoying people on here will change anything?

          Edit: zero replies, just downvotes. Y’all are mad at me for being correct, and it’s adorable.

      • Sarah Valentine (she/her)
        5·
        2 days ago

        Imagine spending this much effort trying to convince someone to change their behavior while railing about how wrong it is to do so. Off to blocksville with you, hypocrite. There’s some censorship for you.

    • searabbit@piefed.socialEnglish
      72·
      2 days ago

      It’s weird because terminally online people forget that profound autism exists but most irl people I talk to have no concept of autism besides profound autism.

      Otoh, I think most people irl and online think of ADHD as quirky distracted ball of energy meanwhile severe ADHD is not actually seen as a disability but a personal failing or mistaken for the classic depression+anxiety combo.

      • dandelion (she/her)
        1·
        17 hours ago

        this is why I still like “autism” as a term referring to severe / profound autism, and using a term still like Aspergers for those with high-functioning / mild autism (and maybe even including “broad autism phenotype”)

      • Bgugi@lemmy.world
        16·
        2 days ago

        Absolutely! I think this disconnect is such a big part on why conversations about diagnosis rates, prevention, and treatment break down.

        I honestly believe the dsm5 should have kept Asperger’s as a separate diagnosis than pooling all ASD together.

        • AshenluxEnglish
          1·
          12 hours ago

          Sure, but maybe pick a new name for it? Asperger has a lot of baggage that I personally wouldn’t want to be associated with. Like, maybe we shouldn’t be mentioning a eugenicist when talking about conditions that often get people feeling eugenics-y.

        • Kichae@lemmy.caEnglish
          7·
          2 days ago

          I think that’s a fairly common sentiment. The severity of symptoms is a significant decider in how disordered someone is, and having clean deliniations makes sure that people with less disordered lives are not taking attenion awwy from the needs of those with more disordered lives.

          • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
            1·
            17 hours ago

            But they do have clean deliniations. Aspergers is lvl 1 autism. I assume the reason for the change was to increase insurance recognition more than anything. Which is plenty sad on it’s own.

            • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              13 hours ago

              I don’t know about that. It’s more likely to have been for categorisation reasons. They’re the same sort of disorder where severe Asperger’s has strong overlaps with ASD, so they might have been bundled together to avoid confusion when it comes to diagnosis.

              • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
                1·
                5 hours ago

                Well, I don’t recall where I heard it. So it may not be true. That said, I have heard talk that some people think adhd is just another form of autism.
                The reality is they really don’t know a lot about what causes any of them. So maybe they are putting them all in the same bucket because for all they know, they could all be caused by the same thing. Dunno. I still bet it has something to do with money. Everything always seems to.

  • Retail4068@lemmy.world
    31·
    2 days ago

    Holy fuck this is fucked lol.

    Y’all forgot real fucking 10 of 10 on the spectrum with adult violent outbursts and literally chaining down folks autism exists?

    This whole, your grandfather has trains and was autistic hurr hurr is terrible and just making people more ignorant to challenges people face.

      • IvyisAngy@lemmy.world
        10·
        2 days ago

        It’s a spectrum from "Weird and Awkward all the time but outwardly living a pretty normal life to SCREAMING AT EVERYTHING AND BRING UNABLE TO COMPREHEND ANYTHING AROUND YOU.

        When people think of autism now they don’t think of the “non-functioning” side, they think of the high functioning side. Yes, high-functioning Autism sucks still, but it could be much, much worse.

        ADHD rarely makes anyone “non-functional” it does make people barely-functional. Thus, no one cares. As you’re doing “okay” usually.

  • BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca
    45·
    2 days ago

    Because the fascists needed a few scapegoats and they chose immigrants, trans, and autism.

    I think ADHD was skipped because it’s harder to say, and don’t fit into their fiery speeches.

    • Tiresia@slrpnk.netEnglish
      13·
      2 days ago

      Autism got rolled in because the child abuser, disbarred doctor, scam artist, and fraudulent researcher Andrew Wakefield claimed vaccines caused autism and just about the entire Anglophone mainstream media spent years framing it as a dramatic story of a defiant doctor speaking out against the tyrannical scientific community. Often accompanied by videos of autistic children being overstimulated by the presence of a camera crew and being made to melt down for the camera the tragic horror of having to raise an autistic child.

      This massively boosted antivax conspiracist subculture to the point of it being a significant electoral demographic. Billionaires then paid grifters to align them with greater alt-right conspiracism culture so they would vote far-right. Autism naturally slots into the untermensch role, with vaccination being analogized to blood libel.

      So ADHD wasn’t skipped, fascists just didn’t have an ADHD-hating subculture to court.

  • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nzEnglish
    15·
    2 days ago

    Because 50% of Americans are either really fucking stupid or assholes, or both. That’s literally the only reason.

    • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      11·
      2 days ago

      I think ADHD is often seen as annoying kids and not taken seriously while autism is viewed as otherworldly and caused by vaccines. There are no conspiracy theories where ADHD comes from, just that it’s diagnosed too often

      • Sarah Valentine (she/her)
        5·
        2 days ago

        The conspiracy theory is that liberal doctors are testing new world order mind control drugs on your kids, with ADHD as a made up excuse. The kids are just lazy and irresponsible weaklings, of course.

  • Lodespawn@aussie.zoneEnglish
    2·
    2 days ago

    One has people hyper fixated on things, the other makes people easily distracted by shiny things?

    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
      19·
      2 days ago

      Hyper focus is an explicit trait of adhd where they have very intense focus on one single topic.

      Also consider

      • Being overly stimulated
      • being socially clueless/akward
      • having niche special interests
      • more often have an interest in computers and gaming
      • can be very good at theatre/pretend from a lifetime of masking
      • gets shunned for being weird (becoming the class clown is an adhd strategy to avoid this)

      Combination of both diagnosis is not uncommon and there is even a pattern where high level at functional masking autistic people get an adhd diagnosis in school long before autism is “discovered” in adulthood.

      It has heen proposed that adhd, just like some other neurodivergences (ocd, dyslexia,…) should technically all belong on the autism spectrum, they are all about “the brains network of neurons being build in a non typical way”, which is also why everyone is still unique, but doing so would make it harder to medically label the specific needs of the more challenging forms of autism that need that label to get appropriate help.

      • P00ptart@lemmy.world
        5·
        2 days ago

        Yup. I know I have ADHD. I suspect I have some autism as well. I specifically told my therapist I don’t want to test for autism, and she agreed with rfks attacks. If I have some autism, it’s very light. But my ADHD is rather heavy. Like, it’s hard for me to make myself do much, but my proclivity to not want to touch canvas isn’t that big of a deal.