You guys pay youtube?
I do. YouTube premium is cheap, i can add 5 other other people to my plan and they all the benefits, i get ad free music in my car (i cancelled XMradio because YouTube is better) and all my devices like my phone, car, smart tv, computer get ad free shows.
It’s a way better service than netflix because Netflix didn’t let be add people outside my house. And it’s way better than Amazon prime, because that chat extra flfor ad free but you still get ads!
I’ll support any company that gives me a cheap ad free plan that i can share with the family outside my house with no issues.
Yeah, not having ads in the phone app, the TV app, the music app on the phone or in the browser is really nice, I love it. Also got that for all my friends and family.
Never paid YouTube a dime though :)
how can I do it on the tv app? I have a Google tv and and a mibox and I absolutely hate watching youtube on those bc the fucking ads are over a minute long sometimes.
There’s an app for Google/Android tv called smart tube next. It’s pretty easy to install and works wonders. It’s made me use YouTube in my tv a lot more since I installed it.
Exactly. I will pay for things that I want. If you do not sell them to me I will get them some other way or satisfy myself with other things.
PiHole exists!
Pihole does not stop youtube ads as they are served through youtube’s domains. You need ublock or something like that.
DuckDuckGo player does pretty good.
Having everything connected to the router automatically get ad blocking is great.
I do wish the pihole was easier to use. I don’t think my parents would be up for manually updating it via SSH in a console.
You can access the web client from any connected machine and do it from there.
Also you can save the IP from the machine running it as a local DNS entry, something like pi.hole, so they can just type pi.hole/admin in the browser to access the dashboard
Where do you enter the ‘pihole -up’ command in the web client?
Forreal I use pihole and I get ads. Is bro on something we don’t know about? Why say anything about pihole if you literally have never used it lol
Stupid question, but does pihole offer any substantial benefit over using a remote ad-blocking DNS like AdGuard or whatever?
They’re basically the same thing
Please ignore the other two commenters…
Adblockers block ads at the user level, meaning you have to manage the adblocker for each device in your ecosystem.
PiHole and similar DNS based ad blocking technologies OTOH block ads at the network level and only needs one install location to manage content for all devices you have on your network.
This means with PiHole you can have one set of custom rules that block all ads at the network level by using a set of pre-loaded and customizeable DNS blocklists. OR! you can install Ublock on 2 devices in your house and let the other 7 devices that have no access to adblockers (like IoT devices) be subject to the atrocity that is modern advertising.
Additionally, adblockers in browsers can eventually be shut off. See: Google Chrome and Ublock Origin.
But what does a pihole (which is DNS blocking) do that AdGuard’s free public DNS (which is DNS blocking) doesn’t? Of course uBlock Origin alongside them is better, but what’s a pihole specifically doing?
I was pretty specific as to what advantages PiHole has over Ublock alone.
Please re-read the above comment and lmk if I can clarify anything.
He was asking about pi hole versus and AdGuard DNS.
And I was pretty specific about PiHole over AdGuard’s public DNS. And to be honest, the person you originally replied to was as well.
Yes but there are public DNS servers that block blacklisted domains. I can set that as DNS in my router settings and it works the same as using pihole as a blacklisting DNS server, right?
It’s a good way to dip your toes into learning about Linux, self-hosting, and administering reliable services.
Functionally they are the same though.
Please see my comment parallel to yours.
This thread is about dns level blocking not client side blocking.
Its both, actually. Ublock is client side and only available on Firefox, PiHole is network wide and available for anyone who can setup a simple DNS server.
Yes. And the person I replied to was asking if running your own dns is somehow different than using an opinionated dns service. The answer is no.
I want to set one up someday. I just need to get around to it
Story of my life…
Never given YouTube a dime and never will
Never clicking on any online ad is another goal to strive for.
Every single youtube channel needs to start seeding torrents of their videos, and posting those links to other platforms (here, mastodon, etc).
Youtube / google could be defeated collectively if creators were to consistently do this, and interested people had the ability to help seed videos.
But a lot of YouTube channels get money through youtube
Most of the channels I know ask for donations via patreon or other funding platforms. I don’t think youtube pays much except for maybe the top 1% of slop channels.
In most cases, not all that much. YouTube is mainly useful for getting views and building an audience. It’s a combination of revenue sources like sponsors, merchandise, donations, etc., that really make it worthwhile for creators.
I’m just so tired of the algorhythms. It’s like being in a cage mentally.
I mean peer tube and similar exist. I think the majority of channels with over a 25k views, I don’t think there’s a consistant number anyone gets, but something like 100 bucks per 25k views or so is pretty common.
Peer tube uses webtorrents, which for many reasons haven’t caught on. It’s still mainly centralized nodes with massive hosting costs. Torrents are the fully decentralized answer.
I’m gonna pay you $0 to fuck off (with ublock)
They call it a double-sided economy.
I call it “let’s fuck everyone.”
“Perpetrators offer a service that will not be put into effect, or offer a service that solves a problem that would not exist without the racket.”
The very definition of racketeering.
That’s basically google’s main business. Their business is not in web search, video platform, mobile OS, email or AI, it’s ad. People forget Google is an ad company, that uses any tool available to give you ad. If it’s free and not open source, you are the product. Either to sell your attention and availability to companies through ads, or to use your data to do profiling, build a more vicious ad platform and sell your data on the side.
Its much better to pay YouTube so the YouTubers get money based on what the audience wants, and not what the Advertisers want from Youtube.
Sounds like you’re describing Nebula
Nebula sounds great until you use it… At least on Android, it buffers randomly for no reason, doesn’t fallback onto audio-only if your screen is off, crashes, etc… it’s just not very nice to use
Nebula does not bring an audience like YouTube can, so its not a solution yet.
I think YouTube should have a free tier with limited watch minutes of low quality, not an advertising tier.
@SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works @calculon@lemmy.ml They wouldn’t make half as much money that way. And that would be okay, if it weren’t because YouTube is a corporate piece of shit and needs to grow at infinite rate in order to exist.
Why is it a random picture of Will Ferrell though? Why are recent memes like this?
Some of us pay ourselves to install an ad blocker and then we keep our money and we don’t get any ads.
Wait, you guys are getting paid to not see ads??
I pay myself in handjobs.
I don’t pay anything. Just use newpipe/ublock/smarttube
Why the fuck am I looking at a picture of Will Ferrell and not Ricky?
Storing and serving videos is expensive, they have to pay for it somehow. Either you pay directly or someone else pays for you (through an Ad). I don’t see why this is inherently a problem.
I can see arguments on if the specifics are a problem with how they’re going about it, but the fundamentals make sense.
It always feels like YouTube is double dipping though. Not with what the post is about; that’s either/or, obviously.
But Google makes a nice profit collecting user data and behavior, and then selling that to advertising companies. That happens regardless of using an adblocker, and I’d be shocked if it doesn’t also happen regardless of YT premium.
But at the same time, Google also IS an advertising company; they use their user data collection platform to also show ads to users, getting paid again.
So personally, even if YT wasn’t owned and operated by a shitstain of a capitalist eldritch horror company, I’d still have zero qualms blocking all their ads: they’re making money off of me regardless.
I’ve said this a few times in various places, but I’m really surprised we aren’t allowed to bid for ad space for ourselves to not show an ad the way advertisers do for ads. Obviously a flat monthly rate is simpler, nobody is denying that, but just from a purely “free market” perspective (which shareholders love to say they want while using the government to crush opposition) why can’t I pay slightly more than whatever small amount of money someone is paying to show me an ad to not see the ad?
Realistically I don’t think we’ll ever see that because it’s a fairly complicated. I don’t have any hard data, but I can’t imagine that the majority of users using something like YouTube Premium are getting a “good deal.” Sure, some folks probably watch all day every day and they get the better end of the deal, but I’d bet for a lot of folks YouTube makes more money off charging the subscription than they would showing the ads. Which is sort of an odd scenario we’ve gotten ourselves into (but amazing if you’re a company that serves ads).
That has to be built by all the people together
Not necessarily, like if it was YouTube you’d just deposit money and maybe set a maximum amount of money you’re willing to bid. Honestly most standard banner ads are from Google too, so they could handle that. For streaming services you’d need to set it up for each individually, but that’s no different from setting up billing for each of them. They wouldn’t need to talk to each other.
Its a good idea but mentally people hate micro-transactions(transactions that are lower than 10cents) so they get mad every time its suggested. Plus its technically quite challenging to process those kind of transactions efficiently.
You wouldn’t prompt them every time. And it would be no more difficult than serving the ads which are also charging every time they’re shown.
No I wouldnt prompt them at all because the costs would be so low. Even if you paid 5x what an ad pays you’d spend less than a dollar or two a week. But people hate the idea of paying half a cent when visiting a website or watching a youtube video because they think they either shouldnt have to or that it will eventually become $2 to vist that blog and $4 to watch that video and thats a horrible future.
I feel like you’re not getting the vision. It would be the same process as subscribing, but money just gets drained from a pool per ad instead of a flat monthly fee. It’s not something you’re seeing a popup for. And it would never cost 5x what an ad costs. It would only ever cost $4 to watch a video without an ad if an advertiser was willing to spend $4 to show you an ad. To put that in perspective, ad impressions are bought in units of cpm which stands for cost per mille which is the amount they pay for one thousand impressions. That would be $4,000 cpm. That’s absolutely insane. That’s orders of magnitude more than what it is today. Nobody is ever going to spend that much to show you an ad unless it’s some crazy profitable, super targeted, ultra niche campaign.
The whole point of this thought exercise is to explore what companies make in a month from ads versus what they charge for a month of ad free service. People bid for your attention. I think I should be able to bid for it myself instead of paying some opaque, flat rate per month.
It would only ever cost $4 to watch a video without an ad if an advertiser was willing to spend $4 to show you an ad.
I know I only say 5x to show just how cheap it would actually be to outbid advertisers.
