• WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    Member how the metaverse was supposed to revolutionise our lives, but they just spent dozens of billions on a shitty VR sim, renamed their whole company over it, then fired tens of thousands of workers when it flopped, but still jerked zuck off for his capitalist prowess?

    He’s worth hundreds of billions more today! Capitalism is a fucking clown world.

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      Same thing with Musk lol failure after failure after failure but there are still clowns on the internet who call him a visionary.

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        Dude will crash his rockets and people say the company is successful. It’s bananas.

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          11 days ago

          but the falcon 9 is objectively the most successful/flown rocket in history and it’s not even close

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        11 days ago

        His smartest employees rage quit as Zuck and his empire are brain dead hard to reason with and steer in logical directions as Zuck is the emperor with no clothes.

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      Capitalism is deeply flawed, but what you’re experiencing is a failure of social media and journalism.

      Everyone guffaws about Meta because everyone hates them, so bloggers write shitty vacuous click baity articles that just twist and distort everything meta does to make them look as terrible as possible. And while they’re shitty, they’re not shitty and incompetent in every single possible way or else they wouldn’t be as rich as they are.

      But these vacuous articles that bend over backwards and diatort the truth to paint them as incompetent in every possible way then leaves people going “how could anyone be that stupid?”, and the reality is that they’re not that stupid, you were just misinformed by outrage journalism.

      Despite the guffawing about shutting down Horizon Worlds, there’s a good chance that Meta’s reality Labs bet will still be a smart financial play in the long term. Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc have made billions by controlling the dominant OSes and Meta has far and away the strongest augment reality operating system as we head into AR glasses actually being viable from a technology standpoint.

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        Downvoted for sane-washing meta glasses.

        I also disagree with your other takes, mainly boiling down to the insinuation that competence and intelligence is how capitalists make money in a system that’s rigged in their favor…

        No, they make money because they have enough people vendor-locked that they can convince advertisers to pay them to further enshittify their platforms, and that gives investors the confidence they need to keep writing blank checks.

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          Downvoted for sane-washing meta glasses.

          Down voted for wash-washing any point being made.

          You can’t just declare something washing and therefore bankruptcy, you have to explain your reasoning why.

          I also disagree with your other takes, mainly boiling down to the insinuation that competence and intelligence is how capitalists make money in a system that’s rigged in their favor…

          Yes but we’re not discussing a binary system of capitalist and “not-capitalists” we’re discussing a single company. And while they have not outcompeted their rivals on the basis of serving the best product for their users, or making the world better, they have outcompeted their rivals at the actually game they’re all playing (i.e. making money), all in the face of others who are playing equally soullessly.

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        I don’t think the technological limitations are what are making those AR goggles get poor reception. They face a couple of non-technological hurdles that I think are going to be nearly impossible for them to overcome:

        • People don’t like strangers pointing cameras in their face to the point where they may even be brought to violence about it, so using these in public settings will continue to be isolating and potentially even dangerous.
        • The companies making things like this are too big to be capable of making a good product ecosystem. It has been an inescapable trend for over a decade+ now that these mega corps have stopped being able to make anything without too much monetization to be good anymore, so adoption is lukewarm, and they kill off everything new after a few years. They are surviving on things they made before that time that they have not managed to mess up all the way yet.
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      The power of compound interest means that money can only make more money once it reaches a certain threshold. Whatever these guys were at twenty they’re certainly not anymore, but they will never feel the pinch. They can only fail upwards from this point on.

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    12 days ago

    An AI trained on Facebook comments would be stupider than an AI trained on nothing at all

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      I can’t help but to feel like this is happening with all AI. Social media comments from Facebook, Reddit, X etc are low effort and flushed out with bots.

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        This was predicted early on with LLMs that the information would eventually go into a feedback loop where the AI feeds off other AI hallucinations and they all go downhill fast.

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            I don’t remember having heard any practical solutions to the problem so far. They work best on real data, but they rapidly grew to the point where they are generating dramatically more artificial data than humans are generating real data, so they have hopelessly polluted their own well.

            Its a very difficult problem to deal with no obvious solutions that are at all cheap, easy, or even feasible, so someone’s going to have a really, really smart idea for them to get over that hurdle. Add on to that the fact the types of AIs most impacted by his problem, the LLMs, are the ones that are currently the most heavily subsidized by venture capital. So, not only are they facing increasing technical hurdles, they are about to get increasingly expensive to operate at the same time as the seed funding is used up and they have to switch to a revenue-positive business model.

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              Interesting. Maybe they will have to start proactively surveying mass amounts of people instead of relying on free internet social media.

              I don’t understand the appeal of AI for most things. The amount of incorrect information it gives is already too high making it unreliable. The benefit seems to be with brainstorming ideas or dealing with fiction.

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      Imagine if LLMs remained mostly an academic interest for just a few years longer than it did before going commercial. How many issues could’ve been worked out by researchers and engineers with an eye towards scientific advancement rather than monetization?

      Imagine if AI models were trained exclusively on peer-reviewed datasets, each one specialized in a single discipline, and maybe others specialized in interdisciplinary studies.

      They might not be able to synthesize new ideas due to their fundamental architecture, but they could at least streamline certain tasks like literature reviews and metadata collation. They could provide sanity checks before submitting for review. Machine Learning models could even perform more complex data analysis tasks than LLMs would be capable of.

      But no, instead we have Artificial Idiocy injected into everything, deepfakes and disinformation proliferating, and people going crazy from using chatbots to replace therapy…

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        10 days ago

        I made this exact point on Reddit before and people were pissed

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      11 days ago

      He’s got a personal obsession with creating a world full of people he can control. Can’t do it in the real one so he’s plowing the lawnmower man

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        That’s true of most of the tech bros, though. They’re all losers that haven’t built anything themselves and that have been successful despite themselves, not because of themselves, just because they have money and fail upwards

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    10 days ago

    There is a huge amount of waste in AI, this is a prime example of it. All that time, effort, compute put into this, and for what? Something that no one will use.

    This older article clearly shows the situation https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/zuckerberg-firing-hundreds-ai-developers

    “Meanwhile, the industry is continuing to search for ways of generating revenue to start making up for billions of dollars in losses.” 😂

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      Something that no one will use.

      Idea: let’s force all WhatsApp and Instagram users to use it by putting unwanted buttons in the UI

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    12 days ago

    I recall a brief flash almost a year ago where Meta released some kind of LLM framework open source and it seemed like it was taking off in the circles of developers I know. But then I never heard about it again. Similar flash in the pan about DeepSeek.

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      Actually Deepseek’s having a resurgence because of their Engram module which is truly novel.

      It’s not so much that Deepseek is a flash in the pan but more like they do some cool new thing and everyone copies their work while they recede back into their research.

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        Agreed. I say it with a condescending tone. From I’ve learned better self tolerance towards dopamine divulges.

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      12 days ago

      Zuc specifically seems to be floundering more than the others, not that it matters obviously but I think it really shows he hit a jackpot not that he’s especially skilled, smart or talented.

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        It’s kind getting desperate, zero innovation and all across industries… I think IT could’ve stayed a bit more into the data / big data phase. (And injection of better policing of policies)

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    Yeah so the training data is only one part of it (possibly the easiest since you can just buy it). It’s the other components of model training that’s the real secret sauce. And without users it becomes harder and harder to get the feedback to continue training new models.

    That’s why all the companies were rushing to get a product out.