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The president added that he has “instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran. No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas.”
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Fuck sake, now he’s threatening third-party vessels with his malevolent idiocy. This is a big misstep of an escalation, no?
This is a big misstep of an escalation, no?
Always has been
In all seriousness, is he expecting the US Navy to fire on civilian vessels? I’d bet we’re nearing a point of mutiny on some ships
I don’t think there can be 30 hour laundry fires on a US Navy vessel without at least a little bit of mutiny.
I’d bet we’re nearing a point of mutiny on some ships
I’ll take that bet
That’s what they’ve been doing inthe Carribean
From a geopolitical perspective, attacking a Venezuela-registered fishing boat is fundamentally different from attacking a Chinese- or Indian-registered oil tanker. Most of the boats they’ve attacked in the Caribbean were actually stateless and weren’t registered anywhere
I’d say it’s the only somewhat smart play he has left
How is it smart? Honest question, because it strikes me as pissing off the countries that charter those ships as well as the oil companies (boo hoo, but they have pull with all their money).
It’s the sort of move that might look like a clever reversal, but ultimately has a very steep price tag.
A blockade is an act of war, and this one is clearly pointed at the rest of the world, not Iran. It’s predicated on the same faulty assumption that Trump’s administration made when invading Iran: our military is unanswerable, and they will take it lying down.
Escalation paths from this are all bad-- what if an EU ship ignores challenges from a US Navy vessel, or China sends a military escort with a shipping fleet? Are we really about to start another shooting war, or will we stand there with our dicks in our hands as they sail by?
I’m thinking this brilliant idea is abandoned in a week.
I’m thinking this brilliant idea is abandoned in a week.
I wish I share your confidence.
It will take a week to conceive of and announce something stupider and more self-destructive.
It’s brilliant as in it’s probably the most likely route to WWIII.
Maybe they want that? Would make more sense
If they were even somewhat smart, they’d be blocking just Iranian shipping.
Still less dumb and less war crimes than bombing civilian infrastructure
If they were even somewhat smart, we wouldn’t be there and isntreal would be cut off from all trade globally or states doing businesses with them would be sanctioned, like USA is doing with Cuba.
The only smart play would have been to never invade Iran in the first place.
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Just to make sure I understand.
- the US is now doing what Iran wanted to do anyway, but
- Iran does not have to spent any assets on doing it
- all the negative optics are now on the US
Genius.
Everything he does makes sense, if you can accept that he sees the United States itself as an rival for the attention and praise that is rightly his. Commanding other people’s attention, redirecting it to himself, has been the only trick behind his falling-up success, his whole life. This is what they mean when they say “all publicity is good publicity.”
Now we’re not talking about Iran, we’re not talking about America’s future, we’re talking about him.
He’s angry that some countries are allowed through so he’s breaking everyone’s toys
From “OPEN THE FUCKING STRAIT OR WE’LL BOMB YOU TO THE STONE-AGE” to “lol no, now I’ll block the strait” 🤪🤡
If they thought of it 5 weeks ago, maybe that wouldn’t be as terrible idea.
Same with providing the insurance coverage right away, so ships wouldn’t stop the movement.
But we are dealing with geniuses here. I mean trump’s uncle was in MIT so obviously trump has to be smart. /s
Maybe Barron really wants more insider trading.
I’m not an expert here, but considering that he is literally threatening other nations’ vessels in international waters, I’m wondering at what point the actions of the US Navy to “interdict every vessel” would constitute an act of war.
Hopefully the rest of the world increases the pressure on Trump and the US since it looks very much like he’s completely to blame for the rising oil costs around the globe.
I don’t think that was a terrible idea. Iran set up an AyaTOLLah, if US would stop the ships that Iran allowed Iran wouldn’t be able to charge ships for passing. It would also be hurting by this closure and motivated to have the straight open.
But that would make sense to do it 5 weeks ago not now.
And before that if they would provide insurance for carriers immediately as well, preventing movement from stopping maybe it would prevent the closure altogether.
But trump instead lifted sanctions on Iran and Russia for some reason.
Are… are the ceasefire talks in the room with us now, Donnie?
Edit: Trump Was Watching a U.F.C. Fight in Miami While Iran Talks Collapsed
Jesus Christ, this guy is a god damned lunatic. He doesn’t want to lead the free world, he yearns to be a banana republic dictator. And he’s trying like hell to turn us into exactly that.
He’s embarrassing Kim Jong Un.
The banana republic dictators were installed by the US and acted in line with US interests. It was only a matter of time that the repression tactics used there would find their way back home. Fascism is imperialism turned inward.
Is this the same “illegal toll” that Trump wants to be a joint venture?
Isn’t it crazy that he tried to spin it into success so much that he even wanted to put himself and Iran on the same team?
This doesn’t hurt Iran at all, it just makes the problem worse for everyone else. All this will accomplish is loading more international pressure on the United States to end the conflict immediately with major concessions to Iran.
The best case scenario here is sieging Iran until they go bankrupt, but more likely that the US will go bankrupt first.
I’m kinda sad we used “Stupidgate” the last time he was impeached multiple times. This kinda relates to gatekeeping and is muchly stupider.
This is Stupid Iraq. Mind you, Iraq was incredibly fucking stupid to begin with.
This is like that, but much, much stupider.
good thing the military is prepared to refuse orders andohwait nevermind.
Yeah, anyone who thought that was remotely a possibility of happening is completely fucking naive.
Yeah, how many of those fired generals have spoken out now? They could literally be on every TV screen to end this thing, but they don’t actually give a fuck.
If a ship refuses to follow orders is USA going to blow it up?
There are a few boat captains in Venezuela that you could ask …
Uneducated terrorists do uneducated terrorists things
Stephen Miller is the worst President in our nation’s history.
And thanks to the fact that 90% of the US armed forces are MAGA dipshits, we can be rest assured that literally no one will refuse to carry out these orders, and any other increasingly unhinged commands that may come in the near future.
I actually have feeling that he TACOd out of nuking Iran because military refused the orders. Firing those generals (of which one was chaplain) during the war is extremely suspicious.
BTW blocking the strait if they did it right away, would prevent Iran setting up a tollbooth and would motivate Iran to also want the strait open, but those geniuses thought of it 6 weeks later after lifting sanctions on Iran and Russia.
What? The US block the strait? First of all, they can’t, for the exact same reason that couldn’t keep it open: Iran will fuck up their ships! Second, closing the strait hurts the US more than it hurts Iran, which is why Iran closed it: maximum economic pressure. Third, what Trump is talking about now is just piracy: intercepting ships that have paid Iran for passage. The US navy doesn’t have to be anywhere near the strait for that, but it puts them in direct conflict with allies and (stronger) rivals. This is just more Trump flailing.
I’m not saying it makes sense now. I’m just saying that if they reacted quickly enough they wouldn’t allow Iran to set up toll booth and use their territorial waters to redirect traffic.
If Iran had to decide to have it completely blocked or open it would make it a less powerful card.
At this moment pretty much only Iran is expecting oil and Don Tzu even removed sanctions so they can sell their oil to anyone at market value.
Yep, Sunday fits Trump’s weekly stock market manipulation cycle. I have an uncanny feeling a team with a combined portfolio of real estate development, private equity, and venture capital interests didn’t go into this with true diplomatic intentions.
There you go, my new brilliant plan, that should solve the problem easy peasy.
It will be so funny when China or France or any other country don’t even complain about it because of how brilliant I am.
-Trump.
